OMG !!! Hillary Won West Virginia !!! It's Not Over !

[kentuck]

She has won the Vice Presidency! She will win the KY primary by similar numbers and Puerto Rico will go

to Hillary by 70% to 30% and she will win the popular vote. However, she cannot win the pledged

delegates or the Super Delegates to capture the Presidency. But she has staked a claim to the

Vice-Presidency. They cannot deny it to her. Get used to the idea. :-)

[Joe the Revelator]

1. I don't see a path for her winning the popular vote.

Pipe dream.

[kentuck]

8. PR has 2 million voters...

80% normally vote in elections. That equals 1.6 million voters. Obama gets 30%. That equals 480,000 votes. Hillary gets the remaining 1,120,000 voters. She wins PR by 620,000 votes. Depending on what OR, MT, and SD do, she will have re-captured the popular vote, without counting FL or MI. :-)

[msallied]

17. 2 million Democratic voters or total voters?

[kentuck]

21. I'm quoting those from memory...

Perhaps someone has more accurate numbers??

[Zynx]

35. I think that's probably total voters. PR has about 4 million people so I rather doubt 2 million Dems

[SwampG8r]

40. they dont vote for president in puerto rico

the parties have primaries there for delegates
but they dont vote for POTUS in a GE

[anigbrowl]

52. The idea that she's going to win 70-30 is fantasy.

I don't know where people got the idea from, but if you believe that you're in for a disappointment.

[Gore1FL]

2. I don't see her as Obamas VP

amnd the pop vote is a canard.

[dubeskin]

3. Congratulations to Hilary in West Virginia

But Congratulations to Obama for securing the Democratic nomination and being the future President of the United States.

[Bok_Tukalo]

4. Puerto Rico is not West Virginia

I am not convinced Obama is locked out to the same degree there.

[FrenchieCat]

6. If Brown people vote for a race baiter.......

than they are out of their minds.

[Bok_Tukalo]

9. I don't know about that

But I am getting this feel that the pundits are lumping Puerto Rico into the Hispanic voter box found in the American southwest that has supported Clinton.

They are not the same demographic. This is coming from someone who lives in Texas and whose best friend is a Puerto Rican/Cuban. I am not saying she will not do well but that I am not convinced it is a lock.

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[last_texas_dem]

36. Huh?

How is calling someone "brown" substantially different than calling someone "black" or "white"?

[DerekJ]

50. Are you ok?!!

[kentuck]

13. Many pollsters say PR goes almost 70% to Hillary...

If so....?

[Bok_Tukalo]

16. I would be surprised

<POE>

[anigbrowl]

53. Like who?

[Ken Burch]

5. You can't honestly think it makes sense to have two people who despise each other on the same ticket

At a minimum, she'd have to apologize for labeling Obama an elitist and for letting her supporters hold up "Barack Hussein Obama" signs.

And Oregon will go overwhelmingly for Obama, which means he will win the popular vote.

[Zhade]

42. That, and her endorsing McLame over Obama.

Kinda hard to explain THAT one away on the GE campaign trail...

[OhioBlue]

7. So now she is entitled to the VP slot?

"they cannot deny it to her"?????

Many on this board have gone through the reasons she does not help the Obama ticket in the fall. This is another Clinton strategy to prop her up. She is always entitled to something or the victim of something.

[ShortnFiery]

10. "She is always entitled to something or the victim of something."

Yes, HRC is the Goddess of both Victimhood and Self-Righteous Indignation. :crazy:

[BayouBengal07]

11. Why would you want to repeat the soap opera through November?

[thoughtcrime1984]

12. Nah, she'd be an awful VP

She and Bill would be angling for more power, hoping something "might happen" to Obama. No f'ing thanks.

[beezlebum]

14. what?!?

hoping what? i haven't been online. looks like i have some catching up to do? yikes...

i have been thinking she's staying in to "prove" obama "needs" her as VP to win, not because she thinks she will win the nom.

i sincerely hope he does not choose her as his VP.

i don't think WV means much- what was that carville said about there being nothing of political gain when winning a state you were expected to win?

[berni_mccoy]

15. The V.P. is Obama's choice. Not the party's.

[SeattleGirl]

18. There is no such thing as a race for being the vice presidential

candidate. Not in the same way there is a race to be the presidential candidate.

And the ONLY way I would "get used to" Hilary BEING the VP candidate is if Obama picks her.

Please don't quit your day job.

[kentuck]

19. Are you sure?

Absolutely sure? :-)

[SeattleGirl]

25. Yes, here in the reality-based community, that is true.

We the people do not choose who the VP candidate is. The presidential candidate does.

[kentuck]

27. JFK would not have chosen LBJ...

The Party chose the Vice President for him. Michelle or Barack may not choose the VP this time around?

[SeattleGirl]

29. So?

What is your point? That she will be crammed down his throat?

If she ends up his VP, I'll be you dollars to donuts it won't be just because the party wanted it. He would have to see some good in it too. If he doesn't, she won't be. Period.

[kentuck]

31. Basically yes.

He will be persuaded that Hillary wins the blue collar votes for the Party that he cannot win by himself. He needs Hillary. That is what some Party leaders will tell him. Personally, I hope it doesn't happen but it looks more and more likely, in my opinion.

[SwampG8r]

43. so she goes to these people

shes been talking ugly racebaiting talk to
and suddenly she converts them to obama?
and i guess they are so dumb they will do what she tells them?
put down the crackpipe dude
shes not getting on this ticket
she has disqualified herself

[Samantha]

32. kentuck - you of all people spinning as if you were the collective

Four Tops. JFK offered Lyndon the VP as a courtesy, thinking he would turn it down. There was an intense dislike there, perhaps I should say mutual contempt, between the two of them. JFK was terribly chagrined when Lyndon accepted ...

And we do know the choice of the VP belongs singularly to the Presidential nominee ...

And Puerto Rico cannot vote in the General Election -- the primary, yes -- GE, no.

If you keep this type of spin up, you need to go work for Hillary directly because you and Terry M would be the best of buds ... :)

Sam

[kentuck]

33. Samantha...

Sometimes duty calls and someone has to play the devil's advocate. :-)

[Samantha]

56. Okay, you kentuck Devil, inasmuch as it is YOU, a longstanding

DU'er whose threads I have enjoyed reading for years now, I guess I will just have to look the other way :hide: for the moment as you commit your political sins for the benefit of Hillary Clinton....

Sam

[casus belli]

20. Maybe you should familiarize yourself with how this all works.

And then post.

[musicblind]

22. I agree. I know the people on here hate the idea, but I feel very certain that she will be given the

VP position. I think there IS a chance she will win the popular vote among the primary states. Caucus states are hard to determine. That doesn't mean as much as delegates when looking at who will be the presidential nominee, but I think that may be enough to push her into a VP slot. Even if Obama would rather shoot himself, even though people would LIKE to think it is up to him, at some point ... it isn't any longer. It is up to the party as a whole operating behind the scenes.

[nebula]

23. Michelle Obama said the VP would not be Hillary

[musicblind]

30. In reality, not the reality it is supposed to be, but the actual reality

I do not believe that Obama will have a whole lot of say in it. It will be choosen for him in the interest of what officials think is best for the party. There will come a time when he is going to be pulled into that backroom and a long sit down conversation will be begin. But, we will see. I said back after the cnn debate where they first asked the question about this ticket, I said then that if they would agree to have her as VP she should drop out immediately. I like both candidates, and have been positive towards both candidates on this messageboard. I have also been very positive and donated to Edwards as well. I am merely looking at this as a person who does not hate ANYONE in this race. I think people this board are letting their strong dislike of a candidate get in the way of what will most likely happen. If, for some reason, the party doesn't choose her I hope they chooses Edwards, Sebelius, or even Biden. I think that choosing Webb or Clark will be shooting themselves in the foot. Though I think choosing anyone other than Clinton would be a less than ideal choice at this point. Though I realize I can not ever convince you of that. This is not being said out of my love for Clinton. I honestly, if I could appoint someone as a nominee, would have choosen Edwards first, but it is being said out of what I feel, honest to God in my heart, would help this party win the GE.

Obama said today: "Obama changed his tone a little during the second part of his answer, praising Clinton and offering fodder for those speculating on the "dream ticket." "I will say that she has shown herself to be an extraordinary candidate and an extraordinary public servant,” Obama said. “She is hard working, she is tough, she is very smart and so I think she would be on anyone's list.”"

Link: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/09/politics/fromtheroad/entry4084470.shtml

[nebula]

34. Sorry, Obama gets the final word

Regardless, no one outside of the Clinton campaign wants her for the VP spot anyway.

[kentuck]

37. Yes, he gets the final word if...

the Party agrees with him. :-)

[musicblind]

39. Polls show almost half of Obama's supporters do. 43 % actually

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/13/majority-of-dems-want-clinton-to-be-vp/

article titled "Majority of Dems Want Clinton To Be VP"

[BklnDem75]

44. So that means...

over half of his supporters don't want Clinton for VP.

[musicblind]

46. But it is CLOSE. The poster I responded to said no one wanted that but Hill supporters. Over half of

the democratic party wants that, according to the article. That's a surprising. I doubt that there is that kind of consensus or unity for any of the other VP candidates at this point.

[goclark]

45. They must not have polled anyone that I know

[musicblind]

48. Which is often the case because most people surround themselves with others who think like them.

It's a subconscious psychological tendency. I do it, you do it, everyone does it seems. That's why we need polls, etc. Most other things are more ancedotal evidence. I personally don't have any friends who voted for Bush. Yet somehow Bush got elected. (must have been my parent's votes)

[goclark]

49. LOL

[kentuck]

26. They are discussing this subject matter on Dan Abrams...

right now.

A couple of the commentators believe that Hillary and Bill have too much baggage for Hillary to be the VP? I wonder? If Hillary has just about the highest "negatives" of any politician in America, other than George W Bush, would her being on the ticket unite the Republicans, simply because most of themn hate her? The general election is a whole new ballgame.

[Edgewater_Joe]

28. Hillary Is Old Trash, Hillbot

Her every moment in the campaign is her own self-destruction. Her failure to leave gracefully guarantees that when the loss is complete -- and make no mistake, it is merely a question of when, not if -- it will mean she and Bill will be done in the Democratic Party.

At this point, she is on a suicide run. So be it.

[grantcart]

38. Is this parody - its so hard to tell. Puerto Rico by 40 points

Do me a favor and just put in Puerto Rico whereever it says Indiana

This a huge lead in Indiana for Clinton
Posted by grantcart in General Discussion: Primaries
Thu May 01st 2008, 11:01 PM

She has a mammoth lead of historical proportions. In the coming years there will be poets commissioned to write of the great historical victory that Clinton had in Indiana. Operas will be commissioned to elevate the populace with images of the mastadonic herculean feat. Armed only with an Indiana Senator and the vestigages carried by her husband who once occupied the most powerful office in the world she single handedly reminded the people of Indiana how she is the inheritor of the role of defender of 'our people' and 'people like us' while her husband spoke passionately about the divisions in America between ordinary people and the 'elitists'.

So formidable is her lead that she is now expected to take Indiana by 30-40 points, an epic win is secured of Brobdingnagian proportions. It is expected that her pythonic win will literally eat virtually all of the delegates and the she will walk away with a delegate lead of at least 40 delegates.

Should Obama somehow manage to comeback and land within 25 points of Clinton it would have to be considered a miracle.



And Puerto Rico has so many electoral college votes as well.

[Zhade]

41. All McLame would have to do is play the Tuzla video. BANG. She's proven a liar.

Then he plays the video of her endorsing him over Obama. BANG. Proves her an opportunist for joining Obama's ticket.

Thankfully, it won't happen. Get used to the idea.

[Blondiegrrl]

47. Deny her the VP slot? Oh yes we can!

She drags him down. It's not like he can't find another old, white faux Southerner to pacify the "hardworking whites."

[New Dawn]

51. Clinton on the ticket = McCain in the White House

[FunkyLeprechaun]

54. Well... it's 67-26

Anyway.... she needed to win West Virginia by 86% and she couldn't reach that number.

Keep that in mind. Obama still gets delegates in the face of this loss.

[BlooInBloo]

55. I bet you a star for a DUer that she's not VP candidate. (For Democrats, this year)