Tired of Democrats calling other Democrats misogynist?

[LittleBlue]

I'm getting so tired of this crap. I used to consider this kind of charge serious. Now I just reflexively roll my eyes when I see these charges.

Looking forward to an end of Clinton's campaign just to get this behind us. I really don't think Obama, Dean, Pelosi, Edwards, Kerry, NARAL, or Kennedy are sexist or are supporting sexists. Sexist is taking away a woman's right to control her own body because the Bible says so.


Anyone else glad for Clinton's campaign to end just so we are spared this stuff?

[rabidgeorge]

1. Can you please be specific?

Who, and when, called Edwards, or Pelosi, or Dean, or Obama, sexist? Or misogynist?

[LittleBlue]

2. Like three posts down on GDP

"Dean and other top Democrats did nothing to discourage blatant sexist attacks, and, for that, they are paying a price with Clinton's female supporters."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5985695

"I will not miss the deafening, depressing silence of Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean or other leading Democrats, who to my knowledge (with the exception of Sen. Barbara Mikulski of Maryland) haven't publicly uttered a word of outrage at the unrelenting, sex-based hate that has been hurled at a former first lady and two-term senator from New York. Among those holding their tongues are hundreds of Democrats for whom Clinton has campaigned and raised millions of dollars. Don Imus endured more public ire from the political class when he insulted the Rutgers University women's basketball team.

Would the silence prevail if Obama's likeness were put on a tap-dancing doll that was sold at airports? Would the media figures who dole out precious face time to these politicians be such pals if they'd compared Obama with a character in a blaxploitation film? And how would crude references to Obama's sex organs play?

There are many reasons Clinton is losing the nomination contest, some having to do with her strategic mistakes, others with the groundswell for "change." But for all Clinton's political blemishes, the darker stain that has been exposed is the hatred of women that is accepted as a part of our culture. "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5986288

Won't bother with more. Just take a look yourself.

[Pamela Troy]

5. What in that post is untrue?

[mkultra]

24. maybe the whole thing

[Pamela Troy]

31. So the poster made up all that stuff about the Hillary Clinton "nutcrackers,"

the anti-Clinton group C.U.N.T., the guys shouting "iron my shirt, HIllary?"

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

32. Note: The nutcracker and C*NT are from Republicans.

Carry on.

[Pamela Troy]

34. So what?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

35. So direct your anger appropriately.

[Pamela Troy]

36. I'm directing my arguments at the person who claimed that the OP for the thread

"Misogyny I Won't Miss" was untrue.

Have you lost track?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

37. Someone has lost track.

My point is that virtually all the misogyny thrown at Hillary comes from the right wing.
Misplacing that anger on her primary opponent or others in the party isn't helpful.

By bringing up these attacks without the proper context, your legitimate outrage becomes diluted.

What would you have the party do? Hold a press conference denouncing the nutcracker, et. al? It would be counterproductive- giving a wider voice to the slurs than the authors could do themselves.

However, I have zero doubt that if asked about them they would be soundly condemned. As a matter of fact, the sheer prima facie lunacy of the nutcracker, C**T, Iron My Shirt assaults makes unprompted comment unnecessary from the party that supports women's choice and has as their House leader, a woman.

[Pamela Troy]

41. And that would be you.

Those attacks were not brought up by me but by someone in this thread who cited an OP describing them.

Please go back and reread this leg of the thread.

[Mags]

49. If you were a true Democrat you would help to stop this shit. Are you

a true Dem. Would you vote for her is she won the Dem.If you say so, would you take a pledge? Do you promise , place your hand on the Bible, burn your kin, you kids, take the pledge of all pledges to vote for her?/ If not you must be a Republican.

[roseBudd]

38. Capitalism dictates the vendors can sell whatever they want, blame the knuckle dragging Rs who buy

that crap. Obama does not own the company that sells HRC nutcrackers

[Pamela Troy]

42. And where did I blame Obama?

[VotesForWomen]

3. well, i've heard a lot more racism charges than sexism charges. nt

[unlawflcombatnt]

4. No, I'm tired of people BEING misogynist

And attacking Clinton in a manner that they'd never tolerate if it were directed at their idol, Barack Obama.

[Gore1FL]

6. What about those attacks are misogonistic?

[Pamela Troy]

8. Do you understand what the word "misogynist" means?

[Gore1FL]

9. Yes.

And calling her on her tactics and policies does not fit that category.

[Pamela Troy]

11. How do those Oh-so-amusing "nutcracker" toys qualify as

"calling her on her tactics or policies?" How does forming an anti Hillary group that forms the acronym C.U.N.T. qualify as "calling her on her tactics or policies?" How does comparing her to Glenn Close in "Fatal Attraction" qualify as "calling her on her tactics or policies?" How does describing her voice as "shrill," or like "fingernails on a blackboard" qualify as "callin her on her tactics or policies." How does yelling "Iron my shirt, Hillary" qualify as "calling her on her tactics or policies?"

[Gore1FL]

13. They don't

however note the nutcracker and the organization were not put forth by Duers. In fact the organization was froma RWN,as I recall. The glen close thing was also out of line, but I don;t recall who did it. Obsessive/Compulsive behavior is not related to gender, however.
Shrill means "to utter or emit an acute piercing sound" per webster. I have heard men do this. I have also known people of both genders emit the fingernail n the blackboard, not because of frequency of their voice, but rather tone and tambre. I will admit the "Iron my shirt" was sexists, but have not heard that phrase connected with Hillary until your post.

Most criticism of Hillary is legitimate. Most criticusm of Obama is legitimate. To characterize either as predominantly sexists or racists is just silly.

[Pamela Troy]

20. Where does the OP accuse DUers of doing these things?

> The glen close thing was also out of line, but I don;t recall who did it. Obsessive/Compulsive behavior is not related to gender, however.

The above is a complete and total non-sequitur. What are you driving at here?

>Shrill means "to utter or emit an acute piercing sound" per webster. I have heard men do this.

And yet "shrill" is not a descriptive typically used about men. It tends to be aimed at women.

Do you even understand how misogyny works?

> I have also known people of both genders emit the fingernail n the blackboard, not because of frequency of their voice, but rather tone and tambre. I will admit the "Iron my shirt" was sexists, but have not heard that phrase connected with Hillary until your post. Most criticism of Hillary is legitimate.

But the OP was not talking about "legitimate criticism" of Hillary Clinton. She was talking about a flood of overtly sexist "jokes," remarks and commentary aimed at Clinton. And she was quite specific about it.

Why are you pretending that the OP is equating any criticism of Clinton with misogyny?

[Gore1FL]

22. seemed pretty implied based on where it was posted.

[Pamela Troy]

23. I don't think any reasonable person would have inferred anything of the kind.

[Gore1FL]

27. So I am unreasonable?

OK....

[Pamela Troy]

30. Your argument is unreasonable.

[Phillycat]

25. ..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/14/AR2008051403090.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

[Writer]

7. This election season has been eye-opening.

I used to naively believe we had gotten past gender-based discrimination. How wrong I was.

[Jamastiene]

14. To hear these people talk about it, they don't even believe sexism

exists much less do they see just why many of us have called them on it. They've even had references to physical harm against Hillary and caricatures of her burning at the stake. I mean, seriously, how can they claim that stuff is NOT sexist?

Now there is a thread that laments the fact that she cannot be kept out of the VP slot. They want John Edwards or any other man in the world to have the Veep position but not the person who earned it, because she's female. They would never belittle a man that way after he fought and earned the position. It's sexism, pure and simple.

[hfojvt]

28. How is it that simple?

I see many people suggesting Sebelius or Napolitano and many people were either Edwards fans or Hillary haters from the beginning.

And how does somebody earn the VEEP spot? Mondale barely beat Gary Hart in 1984 and did not pick him for Veep. Ford barely beat Reagan in 1976 and did not pick him for veep. Jesse Jackson ran a strong campaign in 1988 and was not picked for veep.

[Adelante]

40. Nobody *earns* the VP slot that way

Nominees have many reasons and make all sorts of calculations in choosing a running mate. That choice does not have to be the next to last standing candidate in the primary race. If it's women you're worrying about, there are several who have been promoted by DUers as Obama's VP, so your point in your second paragraph makes no sense. In the end, Obama will choose who he chooses for his own reasons, just as all nominees have done in modern times. That might or might not be Hillary Clinton.

[theHandpuppet]

17. Bingo!

:thumbsup:

[Cha]

44. Sorry, your lyin' idol gets attacked for being a woman..

When she should really get called on being such a big pandering, lying, racist, demagogue.

[BlueStateGirl]

10. As tired as I am of Democrats callingother Democrats racists.

[Beacool]

12. Tired of Democrats calling other Democrats racists??

Such as the people from WV?

:shrug:

[Evergreen Emerald]

15. Actually, I am tired of democrats BEING misogynists

You have decided to limit the definition of sexism, I see, so you can roll your eyes in more disdain of Clinton and her supporters. Good job, that. Ignoring the fact of sexism in this campaign ensures more sexism upon our daughters. Thanks.

[TLM]

46. Yeah don't they get it... if you don't vote for Hillary, you hate women.

Criticizing her, disagreeing with her, questioning her claims, all these are example of blatant sexist hate for all women everywhere.

Why even asking Hillary to demean herself by engaging in these primaries at all when the office already belongs to her as a birthright, is tantamount to a brutal gangrape. When will the sexist pigs who support anybody other than hillary, realize that being president is her right. So not voting for her deprives her of her rights.

Anybody daring to question her entitlement to the whitehouse is basically saying they support the systematic physical abuse of women.

You are absoutly right.

[harun]

16. It's the most over used accusation on DU (n/t)

[DemVet]

18. Only after being called racists.

[Evergreen Emerald]

19. And under acknowledged.

[rodeodance]

39. and not reconized, and therefore deny that it exists.

[coyotespaw]

21. Just who is this Miss Ogynist...

and is she hot?

:hide:

[Texas Hill Country]

26. what about the racism meme, what did you say when that popped up?

[Skittles]

29. NO

it's very much called for WAY TOO FUCKING OFTEN

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[TLM]

43. Didn't you get the memo? Hillary is perfect, her record is perfect, she's run a perfect campaign...

:sarcasm:

therefore anybody who doesn't support her is sexist. Her vagina is the only possible reason not to support her. She'd obviously be winning if it wasn't for how afraid of her vagina all the sexist pigs supporting obama are.

[LWolf]

45. I'd like both the primary and the general to be over

so we were spared the charges of sexism and racism every time someone doesn't favor Clinton or Obama, myself.

I don't see any difference between the Obama camp's charges of racism and the Clinton camp's charges of sexism.

Two sides of the same coin.

[OzarkDem]

47. No problem

Then win the GE without us.

[TLM]

48. All 12 of you?

[ccharles000]

50. I agree people should not...

call others racist or sexist when they are not.