Unlike some, I'm not bitterly opposed to an Obama/Clinton ticket.

[mmonk]

I prefer Sebelius as Obama's running mate because I believe she may be the most difficult VP possibility for the republicans to attack. She also has useful skills for the office as a two term governor of a red state. Senator Clinton would surely bring her voters in line behind the ticket and shouldn't be discounted. However, the decision should be Obama's if he is the nominee and I feel strongly about that. So I give you the following:

Pros for Clinton on the ticket-The millions that voted for her would be energized.

Cons-Talk on all the news shows would be whether she "forced" herself onto the ticket which would require time dispelling that view.

The trial in November concerning campaign contributions would become campaign fodder for the republicans.

The republicans have a large dossier on her they are more than ready to release.

Whatever is decided, I will work hard for the ticket this fall. Senator Clinton has started handling the situation correctly as of late and has toned down any negativity. I hope that her supporters will do the same and work hard for our chances in the fall. Thank you for your time.

[Genevieve]

1. We really do not need 3 presidents inn the WH.

Obama, HRC and Bill.


'cause you know that's how it would end up being.

[sufrommich]

24. Why, would Obama be unable to assert his authority

as president?

[patrice]

2. Neither am I. It would help if HC and her followers would talk to us straight about the IWR.

[billyoc]

3. I am violently, retchingly opposed. nt

[bowens43]

4. Whatever Obama's choice, I will support it.

[polpilot]

17. IF Hill is selected as VP then it's over for Obama. Republicans close ranks & hand the democrats a

2% lose.

[irish.lambchop]

5. Don't you think she's said too many things that would make her

an unlikely running mate for Obama? 'Lifetime of experience . . . Obama has a speech'; 'as far as I know'; 'hard-working white Americans'. I just don't see how she can now turn around and say, hey, I didn't really mean those things that I said and appear genuine.

[mmonk]

9. It does produce some contradictions and is not the ticket I prefer.

However, it's up to Obama and whatever decision is made, I will stand with it. He is bringing something new so that could be stressed.

[irish.lambchop]

10. Nor is it the ticket I prefer.

I agree he is bringing a different kind of politics to the forefront which is exactly why I'd be disappointed if, while ushering in the new, he also holds the door open for the politics of yesterday. That said, I'd vote for that ticket, just not with a spring in my step :)

[mmonk]

11. I understand the feeling.

[RaleighNCDUer]

20. And all that is on tape, ready for the Republican attack ads.

It would have the double effect of undercutting Obama AND making HER look ridiculous.

A guarantee to lose the GE.

[Andy823]

21. Republicans will take these words

And all the other words that painted Obama as inept, and make them into ads on TV. I can see it now.

"You think Obama is ready to be president? Well look what his own VP running mate said about him...."!

Now I wish all those who want her as the VP would address how she can help him, when she has already helped the republicans come up with these kind of adds against Obama, and they didn't even have to pay someone to think them up?

Is she had not done such a great job of trashing him, then I would not object, but since she has, I can not support the idea of Hillary as VP, it would help McCain win, not the democratic ticket!

[sfam]

6. I'm not bitterly opposed, but I am opposed. This cancels out the new politics message...

And in doing so, really highlights Obama's experience, as his new approach becomes compromised. And I too like Sebelius as my first choice.

[patrice]

8. Yeah, how do we prevent future IWRs, and worse, if we don't make our point NOW.

Okay, I'm opposed to HC = VP again.

As you can see, I'm going back and forth about this, because I WANT to win.

[sfam]

13. Just to be clear, if I saw evidence that she gives us the best chance of winning...

I would support her. But we see that Republicans and Independents don't really like her that much. Women clearly do though, as do working class folks.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. "omen clearly do though, as do working class folks. " AND Latinos

~

[patrice]

18. It IS anecdotal, but people who know NOTHING about politics and

dont' even really care about Democrats or Republicans, often express absolute antipathy for her.

[Diamonique]

7. I've never wanted a ticket with both of them on it.

Let's face it... both of them have problems that aren't their fault. Racism and sexism. While I can see us dealing with one of these problems, I just don't see any good coming from having to deal with both in one election. Plus, Clinton came into this campaign with very high negatives and they haven't gone down at all. Our nominee (whoever that may be) doesn't need to carry anyone else's baggage into the general election campaign.

Yeah.. I know it's just the idiots that won't vote for a black person or won't vote for a woman. But we want the idiot vote, too!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. The Press Sets The Agenda

IMHO, the press generally likes Obama and would ignore the bad stuff about Hillary, real or perceived, if she was Obama's vice president...

She has shown how fearless she is...She would attack the Republicans with a righteous anger...Plus her base is very devoted to her...

[cboy4]

14. Oh, so it's been Senator Clinton and her supporters who've

needed to tone down any negativity?

And you hope that her supporters will do the same and work hard for our chances in the fall.

How can Hillary Clinton supporters (the four or five who are left here) not find your comments completely condescending -- considering some of your people have hardly been angels in the way they've behaved?

I mean this is really something else mmonk:

Hillary has started handling the situation correctly and you hope that her supporters will do the same. :eyes:

[mmonk]

19. Some Obama supporters too.

But I feel the Clinton supporters have been more over the top nationally such as attacking NARAL, reporters, and politicians that went to the other candidate as well as the polling data claiming they will not support the ticket if their candidate doesn't win.

[TwilightGardener]

16. I am. I would worry for his safety.

[sufrommich]

25. Why would his safety be in peril if Clinton were

his running mate? Do tell.

[suston96]

22. VP would be a demotion for any US Senator.....

"The Vice-Presidency of the United States isn't worth a pitcher of warm spit." John Nance Garner, VP under FDR.

All Democratic US Senators will be needed to reach the magic 60.

[onenote]

23. neither am I, but I also see no credible evidence she wants the job

[cloudythescribbler]

26. HRC on the ticket significantly increases the possibility of PRESIDENT McCAIN

"Bitterness" aside, I don't mind her so much as VP as being VP NOMINEE. The Democrats have the chance to ditch all her baggage, and should take it. A role perhaps as good or better than VP could be found for her in the upcoming years. Better a major senator or governor or S C justice with an Obama presidency than an unsuccessful VP nominee waiting for 2012.

On Sebelius as well as Napolitano (both sound like great choices, though my favorite is Barbara Boxer -- with LOTS of foreign policy background, VERY appealing to many key constituencies, strong on the Greenhouse AND VOTED AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR RESOLUTION) obviously were not in the national limelight as of 2002, but did they have positions on the IWR AT THE TIME? If so, what were they?

I just found out that Webb opposed the IWR at the time which VASTLY enhances his appeal for me as a VP, though I still strongly think a woman on the ticket is all but essential.

[mmonk]

27. I'm certainly not opposed to Webb. I'm not that convinced

he would push people towards the ticket except for the good possibility of us maybe taking Virginia.