I'd like to see Obama adopt Hillary's health care plan

[FatDave]

With Hillary's blessing, of course. I think hers was the better plan, even if only just a bit, and it would be a nice show of unity. It would give Clinton and many of her supporters a great opening to rally around Obama.

On Edit: Please bear in mind that I'm mostly saying this because I believe, as others have pointed out downthread, that presidential health plans are largely meaningless because legislation is the job of congress. I'm mostly suggesting that it would be good strategy for Obama.

[lastliberalintexas]

1. If he's going to start changing positions, I'd rather him adopt Kucinich's plan

:)

[AtomicKitten]

3. word

:thumbsup:

[FatDave]

8. As would I, but right now...

I think it would do the party good for him to adopt a Clinton policy. Single-payer will be awesome, and we'll get there someday (hopefully someday soon).

[TheDoorbellRang]

22. Indeed, yes

I know he's planning on a televised round table discussion after he is elected with all parties at the table. That means we'll hear the insurance companies make their case for staying on as the middleman between Americans and health care. I'm hoping those who want universal health care vs universal health insurance will shred the insurance companies' arguments right there on tv for all to see, and help sway the public to universal healthcare, approved by Obama as the only logical choice.

Hey, I got lots of dreams for America. You might even say I have the audacity to hope. :-)

[Gore1FL]

32. Just about to post the same thing.

[Zachstar]

2. That is for Congress to decide.

Heathcare is FIRMLY in their territory.

[FatDave]

14. I know it is. I just think it would be a nice gesture.

I've said several times here that the Clinton/Obama/Edwards health care plans are all closer to each other than any one of them would be compared to the version that eventually comes out of congress. Presidents don't really write legislation.

I just think it would be nice if some Hillary hold outs could say, well, OK, that makes the difference I was waiting for.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

4. I'd like to see him adopt Kucinich's health care plan!

Single payer is the way to go, IMHO...

All the other plans pander to the god-awful so-called health insurance companies...

x(

[TahitiNut]

15. HR676

Of the other three ... Edwards' stood the best chance of BECOMING HR 676.

[Texas Hill Country]

5. Unity would be to give her the VP slot, and after GE, give her HC again.

[newmajority]

29. She'll never be the VP

If she were Hillary 1993, putting her in charge of health care might be an option. But now that she takes more money from health care lobbyists than anyone, and is pushing Mandatory Corporate Romneycare, even that isn't possible.

There's no excuse for this country not to have as good or better than the rest of the world when it comes to health care. Taking the profit motive out of the equation is the only way that will happen.

[Vinca]

6. We need the Kucinich plan. Health CARE not health insurance. nt

[sandnsea]

7. Forced health insurance is a disaster

People who lean right will freak out over the requirement, working income people will soon figure out that she wasn't offering guaranteed health care, just a guaranteed monthly bill. He needs to stay far far away from mandated health insurance and lame-ass tax credits.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

9. I want REALl universal health care....

not mandatory health insurance.

Kucinich has the superior plan.

[NeedleCast]

10. I'm sure the health care industry does too!

[sniffa]

11. I'd prefer he adopt Kucinich's plan

[Renew Deal]

12. I wouldn't

It's a massive giveaway to the health care companies and the mandate concept doesn't make sense. It should be a basic right.

[AllentownJake]

13. Congress will be deciding the plan

The President can propose whatever he wants...Congress will bend it to their will.

[bobbert]

16. Yeah, let's feed the pockets of the health insurance companies

just so that they can deny my next claim! As someone that had a claim denied before, I hate HRC's idea for health care.

Kucinich FTW!

[CoffeeCat]

17. I don't agree with mandates though...

I don't like the mandates in obama's plan and I think Hillary's mandates are a huge, fatal flaw
in her plan.

How can you mandate that a single mother living paycheck to paycheck--come up with an extra $250 a month
for healthcare?

It's just not going to happen.

I'm not trying to start a fight here, but just because you mandate that someone buy health insurance,
doesn't mean that they will be covered. You can mandate that everyone landscape their front yard, but
if people don't have the money--you're not really giving them a beautiful, landscaped yard--now are you?

With grocery and gas prices sky rocketing--times are really tough. I can't imagine a mandate working.

I actually liked that Obama focused on cutting costs more--instead of mandating. A mandate
does nothing. Cutting costs may get some more people into the system--but not all of them.

Both plans are a decent first step, but I disagree that Hillary's plan was superior.

[FatDave]

19. Wasn't there talk of government assistance for low incomes?

The idea of mandates, also proposed by Edwards, was to force the rich to pay in and be unable to opt out. I don't think anybody was going to send collection agencies after single moms.

Crap, I didn't mean to ignite the whole health care debate again. I'm gonna go edit my OP a bit.

[kenny blankenship]

18. I would like to see THE DEMOCRATS adopt Canada's health care plan

what's under discussion so far in this election season is nothing but mandatory insurance. No plan on offer, so far, does anything to curb the raging thirst for profits and limitation of service under traditional insurance or HMO plans. Without cost reduction such as that achieved in Britain and Canada or even France, NO PLAN is viable in the long run.

[FlaGranny]

20. Not me. I don't want to see

struggling families having their paychecks docked. It is better to start out with a decent plan and work up to single payer. If this plan had been implemented 15 years ago we might actually have single payer for everyone now.

[Heather MC]

21. I don't think anyone's plan addresses the real problem of our "Healthcare system"...

We are being OVERCHARGED to pay for over payed employees. My girl friend works for Kaiser, her Boss makes $400,000 a year. Now I am not against people making money, but I don't think I or the rest of us peons, she be charged based on someones over priced salaryies.

Also, Hospital stays, Why does it cost 25,000 just to stay in a hospital bed for 2 days in NO VA.
This is just wrong. In order to really impliment an affordable Universal Healthcare plan, Hospitals, Insurances companies, and doctors, have to be switched to a non-profit organization.

I don't think garanteeing everyone gets "Affordable" insurance is going to be enough. They have to bring cost down, before they can even begin to put a Healthcare plan in place.

I do believe Obama will be more willing to review successful plans all over the world and create one that will work in the US. The problem, no one likes you to cut into their profits in our capitalistic society, but unless their is a sincere effort made to lower these over-inflated healthcare prices, no universal plan will work. And we will have the same problem. Greedy people making decision that effect everyone.

[4_Legs_Good]

23. I'd like him to adopt Hillary's ORIGINAL health care plan

or better yet, Kucinnich's!

We need a national health care system. Forcing people to buy private health insurance? Not so much.

David

[Exilednight]

24. Fuck that! Hillary's plan is a neocon wet dream. Forcing people to buy health insurance from .....

HMO's and lining the pockets of insurance CEO's would make rethugs the happiest people on earth.

[depakid]

28. So what does Obama's do differently?

Oh yeah, it allows you to go uncovered- screwing up the risk pool and creating more adverse selection problems.

As a matter of responsible public policy, neither of these plans does anything to solve the fundamental problems with the nations fragmented and dysfunctional healthcare "system."

[Exilednight]

30. Obama's plan gives you the choice, but I agree that it is far from a solution. Neither plan .......

is truly universal. I just don't see the sense in forcing people to buy something that they can't afford in the first place.

[depakid]

31. Supposedly, there are affordability provisions

but as we agree that all three (including Edward's plan) are essentially bogus solutions, no real sense in splitting hairs.

[DearAbby]

25. I as an Obama Supporter ,,,Agree,

But being realistic, not even Hillary's plan would pass Congress intact, parts of it would be changed, compromises reached.

[Benhurst]

26. As long as you are dreaming, why not have him adopt Kucinich's

universal health care plan?

If the president, assuming Obama will be the next president, doesn't take a firm stand, nothing worthwhile will get through Congress.

Sad prediction: no universal health care by 2012 and the military industrial complex continues to prosper.

[newmajority]

27. Another vote for HR 676 here

Mandatory Corporate Romneycare is not the answer. Take the corporations out of the equation, and do what every other civilized nation on the planet does.

We should be embarrassed that CUBA has better health care than the US :(

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