I'm warming up to an Obama/Clinton ticket

[lsusteel]

Obama has some major weaknesses as a candidate:

Appalachia whites
Hispanics
Democratic base
Women


Clinton has some major strengths as a candidate:

Appalachia whites
HIspanics
Democratic base
Women


As mentioned in another thread, Obama is only down 5% in Texas while attracting only 69% of self-identified Democrats. Clinton is down 6%, attracting 82%. If an Obama/Clinton ticket can get Obama's numbers above 80%, he wins in Texas.

Clinton on the ticket further solidifies Pennsylvania.

Clinton on the ticket also makes Ohio and Florida (two states Obama trails in the polls) Democrat leaning.

I don't like Clinton. I don't trust her and I never have. I worry about what they may do once they're so close to the white house again. I worry about Bill Clinton's influence. I don't like the nasty, divisive, slash-and-burn campaign she has run. She wants victory, even if it's a pyrrhic one. I did entertain the idea of voting for Mccain over Clinton if Clinton were the nominee, but I decided that any Democrat is better than a Bushlican.

For what it's worth, I am a moderate independent. I freely admit I would have voted Bush in 2000 (I was 13), Kerry in 2004 (I was 17), and will be voting Obama in 2008 (21).

I was totally against this idea as recent as a week ago, but the more I try and think about it objectively and the more I look at the electoral math, this ticket could be unstoppable. It also sets Hillary up for 2016.

[Diane R]

1. No. Just no. The Clintons need to accept the fact that they had their turn, and it's over.

[ej510]

3. He will never win the state WV even with Hillary on the ticket.

Hillary kills his messsage.

[lligrd]

5. True, Hillary Couldn't Win WV In The GE nt

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

25. exactly. These racially motivated "voters" would vote for McInsane in the GE all along

they were just trying to vote for the whitest candidate of the Dems.

[babylonsister]

4. What you said, and an extra "NO"! nt

[MonkeyFunk]

8. Maybe Obama fans need to accept the fact

that this is politics, and your personal feelings aren't as important as winning in November.

[lsusteel]

12. This is correct

And it's sad more people don't realize it.

[musicblind]

18. You are right MonkeyFunk. That is the whole problem with this board

people are taking this personally, instead of rationally. If Hillary wants it, she will be VP and the Obama crowd (on this board, not in the real world) just wont "get it". The polls show clearly that the majority of dems want this ticket.

[DJ13]

22. The polls show clearly that the majority of dems want this ticket

But you Clinton supporters never remember that Obama must appeal to voters from OUTSIDE our party.

Hillary's negatives among registered independants are well above 50%.

And that doesnt count the raw hatred of her by some Republicans Obama might also have gotten in the GE.

In the end, its up to Obama and his campaign, not Hillary.

[PoliticalAmazon]

24. Maybe Hillary fans need to accept the fact that Hillary is such a failure....

running her own campaign, she's used such pig-slop Rove/Bush tactics, and she is without ethics, that no one in their right mind would want her on their presidential ticket. She would be undermining him with the belief that she is ENTITLED to the presidency in 2012.

No Hillary. No, no, no.

Having Hillary on Obama's presidential ticket would be like invitiung herpes to a wedding party. No. It's just wrong. It would infect and destroy the entire event.

[highplainsdem]

27. You're right. And if Obama decides he needs her on the ticket

(and I believe he does if he wants to win the GE), then his fans will just have to calm down and accept that, as one of his supporters here told Hillary supporters they'll have to do if he's the nominee.

[Crunchy Frog]

32. If I thought Hillary on the ticket would improve our November chances

I would be for it. I oppose this ticket because I think Hillary would be a liability who would substantially decrease our chances. This is not about my personal feelings at all.

[PoliticalAmazon]

23. ITA. Besides the majority of Hillary voters said they wouldn't vote for Obama....

therefore ensuring that Obama has no reason to add HRC to the ticket.

Adding Hillary to Obama's presidential ticket would be (as another DUer wrote) like saying, "Want to go for a swim, Barak? Here's an anvil."

[lligrd]

2. I'm Not There Yet

Doubt I ever will be. It is up to Obama. Let him choose the person he thinks will be best for the job.

[OzarkDem]

6. It would be a disaster

an inexperienced fool as head of state with the more intelligent, experienced and qualified candidate in a symbolic role.

It might work for the Bush administration, but lets hope the Democrats can do better than to let corporate America prop up another puppet as CIC.

No thanks.

[anonymous171]

7. The question is: Were they voting for Hillary or against "HUSSEIN" ?

I don't see her appeal to those voters, personally. That being said, I wouldn't mind a Obama/Clinton ticket.

[movonne]

Never, never, never....

[Andy823]

9. Here is why I say "no"

The republicans will use every single thing she said about Obama in their TV ads. Like when she said that she and McCain have a lifetime of experience, but all Obama has is a "speech"!

[DearAbby]

10. Sorry there is a problem

the road is blocked...I can never get there. The blockage, her extremely high negatives...can't get to the point, to where it is acceptable for me.

[DJ13]

11. She can run till the convention. Her supporters can cry till the convention

But she can forget trying to force her way onto the ticket.

She took it too far.

Had she remained conciliatory after the Texas debate instead of moving on to using racism in a last desperate try to win at all costs she might have had a chance.

No longer.

[Muttocracy]

13. so what site were you posting to last week? nt

[msallied]

14. Put it outta yer mind. It's not gonna happen.

[lsusteel]

15. As someone mentioned earlier...

Winning in November is more important than being vindictive and throwing temper-tantrums.

[anonymous171]

16. Agreed.

[musicblind]

19. That is the whole problem on this board.

people are taking this personally, and are saying these things out of hate for Hillary. As if saying it enough will make it happen. Anyone with common sense can see there is a good chance she will be VP. Polls show it is the desire of a majority of the dems, and her campaign has made "runner up" history. IF she wants it, she will probably get it. Really it's not worth fighting over, trying to persuade them, and no point in posting threads about it. Just let them be surprised when it happens. *shrug*

[CakeGrrl]

20. I'll say again: She brings more negatives than positives

She's a proven liar about a military-related item. Now she's straight-up lying about MI and FL being 'disenfranchised' in a deliberate attempt to gin up feminist outrage.

She has given the RW talking points against Obama thanks to the divisive, negative campaign she's run.

She consistently polls higher negatives and untrustworthiness than Obama or even McCain.

The anti-Obama racists who vote for her will not vote a ticket with Obama on it - no gain from that.

Some of her voters are Operation Chaos voters who plan to vote for McCain in November - no gain from that.

She will energize a Right Wing that's in some disarray to band together to vote against her.

Obama puts states into play based on his crossover appeal.

Obama has drawing power for new voters - Hillary can't get enough contributions to get out of a $20 million debt.

Reasonable Dems will vote the Dem ticket in November with Roe v. Wade and continued war at stake.

If Obama had a true problem with the "Democratic base" (huh???) and "Women", he'd be losing.

[PoliticalAmazon]

26. There is no reason to invite disaster to the Obama campaign.....

No Hillary. No., no. no.

Anyone who would suggest such a farce does not understand what the foundation of OBama's campaign is, and does not understand why his supporters are supporting HIM and not Hillary or anyone else.

Hillary is the AntiObama. She is the dark, twisted side of everything he is working for.

No.

And please quit begging.

[kimmerspixelated]

17. I don't think he will go for it.

I think she'd jump on the chance, and appear too eager, really.

[NV Whino]

21. Get thee to the freezer

and cool right off again.

[ej510]

Bill Clinton is doing everything to keep her off the ticket.

[Apollo11]

28. Michelle Obama won't share a stage with Hillary and Bill.

I have been one of the few cheerleaders for a Clinton-Obama ticket here on DU.

But as it has become increasingly obvious that Obama will be the Presidential nominee, I really don't see how an Obama-Clinton ticket would work.

I am confident that Hillary Clinton will play a crucial role either in the Obama administration or in the US Senate. But I don't see her being comfortable in the VP position.

I don't see Barack and Michelle standing on stage with Hillary and Bill. Not when Obama's whole message is about the need for CHANGE in Washington DC.

The names I am reading most often are Sebelius and Strickland. Someone with Executive experience who can help bring swing voters in swing states behind the Democratic ticket.

[npincus]

29. I'm not.

[MethuenProgressive]

30. The only way we beat McCain is with Clinton on the ticket.

Obama's simply not tough enough.

[DU GrovelBot]

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[NV Whino]

33. Don't donate to Hillary either.

[blue sky at night]

34. please...

this has been such a good week, don't trot out that line of bs. Take Hillary back where she belongs...in the Senate.

[anamnua]

35. No way

If she got into bed, politically speaking, (which I know she won't) with that conman/pseudomessiah I would drop her like a hot potato. She has class and prnciple and she will not diminish herself like this.

[TexasObserver]

36. Nooooooooooooooo! No Clintons in the White House ever again.

She's terrible. She's dishonest and untrustworthy. Worse, not a Democrat.