Hillary Clinton Sits Through Sermon About Adultery

[RamboLiberal]

ABC News' Eloise Harper Reports: When things couldn't be looking worse for Sen. Hillary Clinton's bid for the presidency in 2008, as her rival Barack Obama closes in on gaining enough delegates to secure the nomination, the former first lady attended a church service in Bowling Green, Ky., Sunday featuring a sermon about lust and adultery.

The hour-long sermon focused on the sin of committing adultery -– as outlined in Mathew 5:27-32.

Clinton, D-N.Y., has often said her faith pulled her through the difficult time when her husband, former President Bill Clinton, had an affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.

Paul Fryman of the State Street United Methodist Church asked the congregation, "How is your commitment level in your marriage this morning?’

He spoke about lust and the sin of cheating on your partner. Clinton looked straight ahead as the man spoke about the theme of the sermon, which was: "Come Up Higher When the Devil Whispers Over Your Shoulder."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/clinton-sits-th.html

Ouch - that had to be a bit uncomfortable. I feel bad for her on this one. Wonder if the minister took advantage of the situation or this was the sermon he had already planned. If the latter why didn't her people vet this first?

[gateley]

1. I agree -- my heart goes out to her.

You know everyone in the place was thinking about what she went through. :hug:

[K Gardner]

60. That's truly horrible.. the pastor could have CHANGED the sermon. Very uncool.

[philk17088]

61. Why?

Faith doesn't bend. So she may have been uncomfortable.That is what Iwant my pastor to do. If you're comfortable, you don't change and improve.
Kudos to the Rev!

[musicblind]

85. She wasn't the one who commited the sin, she was the one who was victimized

it would be like blaming a rape victim for feeling uncomfortable while being forced to watch a documentary on rape. Hillary did nothing wrong. She didn't deserve to feel uncomfortable for what Bill did.

[roguevalley]

84. what an awful thing for anyone who was the cheated on partner.

[Oleladylib]

2. She is the ONLY person tough enough to take on the presidency..

For more reasons that one!

[jakem]

9. wow, so if she was married to someone who physically abused her, and she stayed-

she would be even tougher?!


:wtf: being a cucquean does not add to her qualifications as a candidate. nor does it impress me.

[leftofcool]

39. physical abuse? Links on Bill Clinton as a wife beater?

[jakem]

53. the part where i said "if she was married to someone..." led us into a hypothetical.

on edit- their abuse of one another i suspect is much more PASSIVE aggressive...

[cali]

34. nonsense. Obama is so much tougher than she is.

She's whined about virtually everything for almost a year. She flails more than she hits her target.

[dorktv]

58. um...yeah.

[DS1]

37. bull fucking shit

[Warren DeMontague]

38. My response to you is the same as it is to ABC: What the flying Philadelphia fuck does ANY of this

(or flag Pins, or Rev. Wright) have to do with the business of running this country?

[democrattotheend]

43. Hey, why do you need to trash Philadelphia in your rant?

I agree with what you said but leave my city out of it, please!

[Warren DeMontague]

52. Sorry, it's an expression. Not intended as a slam on Philly.

I actually think it sounds Patriotic. :patriot:

[hokies4ever]

48. If she doesn't have the 'testicular fortitude'

to leave Bill, what makes you think she has what it takes on the inside to make tough decisions as President?

[goclark]

81. She always says " You can get rid of your pastor but not your family"

That bugs me....

She could have gotten a divorce from him on day one.
There is no way that goclark would stay married to a husband that cheated on me IN MY HOUSE!

No way!

She decided to stay, that's great.

But she needs to understand, as I know she does, that she had a choice to leave him and take her darling daughter and start a brand new life with a man that would not destroy her self esteem in this manner.

IMO, that is one of the big differences in her personality ~ she is bitter from the marriage and he still controls her.

Their marriage is a sham.

[theHandpuppet]

3. How classless of that minister

Didn't he think she'd been humiliated enough by her husband's infidelity?

[ecstatic]

4. I agree nt

[dansolo]

8. Maybe he resented her using his church as a political backdrop

Or maybe his sermon was the one he had been planning all along. He shouldn't have to change his sermon just because Hillary decides to make an appearance at his church.

[theHandpuppet]

26. You don't think ministers should offer compassion or empathy?

Hillary was the wronged party here. If a supposed man of God can find no compassion for others, why bother?

And please don't go into the "church as a political backdrop" territory. I don't think you really want to go there.

[iconicgnom]

68. It's the 7th commandment

Should ministers revise the commandments so's not to offend?
That's one hell of an elephant in the room to have to walk around! If a minister, or anyone else, walks smack into it, why blame the minister?

[SoxFan]

29. I strongly suspect the sermon was written well in advance

I have a friend who is a clergyman, and he sends several of us his weekly homily on Wednesday or Thursday.

[hokies4ever]

50. How do you know it's his fault?

Perhaps he had already written his sermon before finding out that Hillary would be attending his church that day?

[JBoy]

56. Yes, he should ensure his sermons steer clear of the Clinton family's past.

:eyes:

[Catherina]

74. I agree. He should have preached about war and clusterbombs instead. n/t

[jakem]

75. no, that would hurt her feelings...

poor precious cluster bombs... sob... sob...

[Olney Blue]

5. And I'm sure everyone was staring at her to see her reaction.

:-(

[rug]

6. At least she admits she heard it.

[Colobo]

86. Any particular reference you're trying to make?

[flor de jasmim]

7. Who vets a sermon ahead of time? And do we know how far ahead of time she decided to go?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

10. That was pretty low

That it's being reported is even worse.

[indimuse]

31. ding ding ding!

!

[hendo]

69. that he preached about it doesn't bug me

that it is in the news though, thats a bit much. It must be a slow news day.

[NewHampshireDem]

11. Interesting problem ...

Why should the pastor have changed his sermon? Sure it was uncomfortable for Hillary, but do you really think it's all about *her*?

[Renew Deal]

12. That's just shitty.

WTF is wrong with that guy? Couldn't he put it off for another week?

[MattBaggins]

51. Well now I am an Atheist

but even I can see what might be wrong with thinking that a clergyman should set aside what he believes as "The Word of God" so as not to offend someone.

[Cha]

82. Amen, brother Baggins.

hilary and her surrogates are out there with their demgagoguery so hilary can certainly stand the heat of the pulpit she chooses to sit in.

She didn't mind voting to bomb a country and send our Soldiers off to a War ON Iraq..that didn't make her uncomfortable.

[Clear Blue Sky]

13. Pastors usually prepare their sermons the week before.

I doubt this was contemporaneous just for the purpose of dissing Hillary. Wonder if her showing up was planned well in advance or a last minute thing.

I just think it's bad timing and bad luck for her that it worked out this way. And in the big picture of the campaign, as unimportant as whether or not she was wearing her flag pin.

[VolcanoJen]

14. It's Bowling Green, Kentucky. Sermons like that happen every Sunday.

They prefer the "Seven Deadlies." Must have come up in the rotation.

[dsc]

18. no they don't

the Seven Deadly Sins are a Catholic construct, and this was a Methodist church.

[VolcanoJen]

20. It's Cathoic catechism to be sure...

... but you've never been to any kind of Kentucky church if you actually believe that "lust" isn't a popular topic in sermons.

For the record, I think it was a dick move by the pastor. That's kind of a "no-duh."

[hendo]

70. lust is a fairly popular topic for sermons in most sects, at least in my experience it is n/t

[countingbluecars]

15. I doubt that Hillary

was the only woman in the church that has dealt with adultery.

[cornermouse]

16. She was the only one who had to deal with it on the

evening national news of every network. I'm sure the preacher has a filing cabinet full of old sermons that he uses as reference material. He should have pulled one of them out and used it instead.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

17. Like caucuses, we should change the rules to fit Hillary.

[cornermouse]

21. In this particular case I would have considered it both good

manners and christian to put someone else ahead of himself. Besides which it wouldn't have been that big a deal since he no doubt already had a sermon he could pull out and read.

[theHandpuppet]

28. Exactly right

:thumbsup:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

36. Fair enough, but it just seemed to fit in with the whole "disadvantaged Hillary" meme.

[countingbluecars]

19. It's all relative.

I would imagine sitting there with your neighbors and community members would be tough as well. Although, I do agree that having this on the news is hurtful to Hillary.

[cornermouse]

25. Yep.

[NewHampshireDem]

22. No offense, but can anyone give me a sermon topic that *wouldn't* be applicable to HRC?

Or any other politician or human being for that matter?

[babylonsister]

23. I feel sorry for her, too, and I haven't felt that in a long time. nt

[kid a]

24. Wonder if Bill was there...awkward!!!

[EmilyAnne]

27. That seems intentionally cruel. What was the guys point? What churchgoer doesn't

know that its a "sin" to cheat on your spouse. Isn't that sort of Christianity 101? Totally unnecessary.

Who knows, maybe it was planned beforehand and she just showed up unannounced, but it seems impossible given the security clearances that probably took place before she arrived.

Poor Hillary. This part of her life was NONE of our business.

[SoxFan]

32. Clergy wite the sermon well beofre the service

This was a combination of bad timing and shoddy advance work.

[EmilyAnne]

35. Wow! You're right about bad timing, then. Who knows, then. Maybe something the pastor said will

help her get through this rough patch and come to terms with her loss?

[dansolo]

71. It looks like the sermon was planned in advance

The church's website has the schedule of upcoming sermons.

http://www.statestreetumc.org/

[NewHampshireDem]

41. Perhaps you should review the passage cited in the OP

The sermon was not about 'cheating on your spouse.'

Matthew 25:27-28 (KJV)
"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

[Irishonly]

30. I Am Sorry For Her

I know my pastor works on sermons for a few days but I believe she is quick enough on her feet to change it. It's too bad the minister isn't either quick on his feet or isn't blessed with a lot of empathy. It's just sad she had to endure it.

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[TahitiNut]

40. "God works in strange ways."

:rofl:

[theHandpuppet]

45. Posts like yours are an embarrassment

At least there are other Obama supporters here who are showing some class.

[TahitiNut]

62. I doubt you'd know "class" if it crawled up your nostril.

:shrug:

Go blow your nose.

[theHandpuppet]

66. Your response just proved my point

Enough said.

[ruggerson]

76. Barbara Jordan would be truly embarrassed by you

[Beacool]

80. Yes, she would.......... n/t

[TahitiNut]

83. I don't think I've ever pretended to be worthy of more than carrying her books ...

... or scraping the likes of you off the bottom of her shoes. :shrug:

[ampad]

63. Oh man!

Yes he does :rofl:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

79. ...and, sometimes, has a vicious sense of irony.

:rofl:

[democrattotheend]

Ouch. That's awkward.

I feel bad for her. Did the church know she was coming? If so, that was a really tacky thing to do.

[democrattotheend]

42. Ouch. That's awkward.

I feel bad for her. Did the church know she was coming? If so, that was a really tacky thing to do.

[otohara]

44. Ugh - Is It Worth This Horseshit

I gaged at the site of the new Obama fliers in KY with the cross in the background and Christianity splattered all over it.

The shit candidates have to do is downright nauseating.

[NashVegas]

46. Thank You, Oh Sexist, Frivolous News Media

For telling us what's really important.

[BlooInBloo]

47. So what? She's sat through sermons on lots of things.

[Eurobabe]

49. Or in some cases, take another Levitra when the devil whispers

between your legs. :rofl:

[AspenRose]

54. Yikes

:wow:

[Laughing Mirror]

55. Sermons about sin are hogwash anyway

Maybe she wasn't even paying any attention and the other congregants were lost in their own fantasies as well.

[OzarkDem]

57. and Obama lies about Social Security privatization

Lying to seniors about his own privatization plan that will impoverish them in the years to come is a far greater sin and lapse in judgement.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hLPqTxd4Fe7e5EymHU-kTUgweRDQD90O8VD80

Who gives a crap about a sermon on adultery when candidates are trying to steal the economic futures of millions of Americans?

[undeterred]

59. The sermon should have been titled "Devil in a Blue Dress"

Sorry, couldn't resist. :evilgrin:

[Kaylee]

64. Man...I hope the minister didn't do that on purpose.

That's rough.

[mamalone]

65. Speechless.....

I am speechless that a pastor of all people would do this. He had to have known she was going to be there. I have BTDT with the whole unfaithful hubby thing, and I can't imagine how it would feel to have such a sermon directed at me- and certainly it was directed at her. I can't imagine having to sit there calmly, while every eye and several cameras were focused on me looking for any glint of pain or discomfort. sheeeesh, what a jerk.

Hillary... this hug's for you :hug:

[last1standing]

67. I'm sure she's sat through other sermons on adultery in the last 10 years.

I don't see this as anything more than drumming up a story where there really is none.

Her husband cheated on her. Statistics show that a majority of spouses will either cheat or be cheated on at least once in their marriage. This is no more than a dog bites man story using a famous person.

[BlooInBloo]

73. Heh. "Dog bites famous woman."

[DS1]

72. This isn't the first time a Pastor has taken a golden opportunity to slam a Dem

Think Wright's display of madness several weeks ago.

They both went for the jugular. The only question is, why?

[Window]

77. I'm sure his sermon was for his members, and, did he even know she was coming.

My son-in-law is the pastor of a very large church and has to deal with infidelity, among other life problems, a lot. Man, can he break it down, too. He, also, always plans his sermons in advance.

[kwenu]

78. I can barely stomach Hillary at this point but in all fairness she has no reason to be ashamed.

And I seriously doubt she was alone in that church with regard to being married to an unfaithful spouse.