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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:15 AM Original message |
There is no popular vote |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
1. But Hillary's leading in the popular vote!!! |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
2. The argument is that |
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DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Repeat PRN |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. And those 'all sorts of arguments' completely discount four states, and all Obama supporters in MI. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
33. amazing how they warble on about FL and MICH but want to toss |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. those arguments are wrong because they disenfranchise four states |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. agreed. |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. I'd deny it. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #8 |
28. You don't read well |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. You wrote "pledged delegates don't accurately reflect the will of democratic voters" Wrong again. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Yes, sorry |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Texas demonstrates absolutely nothing, save that |
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GoesTo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Don't forget Limbaugh factor |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Sorry. Wrong. bad intel. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
13. there is something wrong with assuming that popular vote should effect THIS nomination |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #13 |
29. I'm not changing any rules |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. That's no more "adding a rule" than what you are doing. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
48. actually, it will be he person with 2025 delegates |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Its not undeniable. When I voted in my primary, I knew I was voting for a delegate. |
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sfaprog (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #2 |
15. So what DOES "accurately reflect the will of democratic voters"??? |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
27. there is no calculation that you can make to project what the popular vote is because we |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
42. I'd like to argue that the IRS tax rules are unfair |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
46. It is deniable |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
4. the follow up primaries show how distorted the caucuses are... NE for example |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. The Nebraska primary was a 'beauty' primary. Most Obama supporters |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. They show nothing. They took place at different times, and the candidates put |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
37. They didn't even know the primary caucus rules. Penn thought he |
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Lucky 13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
12. oh they get it, but intellectual dishonesty is their forte. |
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Indydem (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
16. You've just shown the falacy of your argument! |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. The only reason Clinton lost caucus states is that she didn't invest any time or money there. |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Why didn't Hillary raise a stink about it BEFORE the voting started? |
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The Ghost (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Caucuses take place at night, they dont take the whole day. |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. So because I spent 4.5 hours in a caucus, my vote should count for less, or not at all? |
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TeamsterDem (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. "if they had ..." |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #16 |
30. I'm not making an argument |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
38. lots of assumptions. you can also say that if they had time off, |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
41. If popular vote was the measure of winning, Obama |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #16 |
47. good thing for your arguement |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
19. But it works out better for Clinton if we forget the caucus states and count FL and MI instead! |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
21. Then, how do they determine who wins the caucuses? |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. In Maine, caucuses elect delegates to the state convention based on the votes |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. But, in most states, they also nominate a secretary... |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. We might know how many participated, but we don't know the vote totals for the candidates |
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EmperorHasNoClothes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
24. What is important is whatever metric favors Clinton |
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demokatgurrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
40. So sad, but so true. If there were... |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
43. Thank you for pointing out why caucuses should be eliminated. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. That's an argument for 2012. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Indeed. n-t |
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