Pledged Delegate Majority Day - hardly something for Obama to be proud of. ON TO DENVER!

[smalll]

So we've all heard about how Obama will reach an absolute majority of pledged delegates today, after the Kentucky and Oregon results come in. Talk about last minute. By the end of today, 48 states, Guam, the Virgin Islands, and the uberlattes in "Democrats Abroad" will all have voted. And after today's results come in, what's left? (Keep in mind --- Total Delegates = 4,049. SuperDs = 796. Pledged Delegates = 3,253.) After today, ALL that's left is Puerto Rico (6/1) with 55 pledged delegates, and Montana with 16 and South Dakota with 15 (6/3.)

There's only a measly total of 86 pledged delegates left to be chosen after today!

That comes out to

just 2.6% of the total pledged delegates!

Amazing. And of course neither of them, Barack or Hillary, have a hope of winning without SuperD support. And SuperDs can change their minds. Of course this thing is going on to Denver. Denver will STILL be almost three months away after the last primary in the first days of June. Hillary should, and I expect will, take this to the Convention. She doesn't have to cause Obama any trouble after June 3rd. She just has to wait in the wings as an understudy.

Things can happen: maybe the Whitey-from-the-pulpit video of Michelle actually exists; I don't know. But with three long months left until Democrats make their choice there's no reason not to wait. Hillary is doing the party a service. Like most understudies, she will likely never take the stage. But it would be stupid for us Dems to send her home right now. Let her sit in the wings and wait. We might need her still.

[AllentownJake]

1. She's begging her own Super Delegates to not abandon her

I don't see this lasting till the convention.

[smalll]

10. You're right. But she could lose ALL of her SuperDs to Obama this week,

and he still won't be able to take the nomination without Superdelegate support. Three months is an absolute eternity (in politics.) Lets say all the SuperDs get on the Obamabus now. By the time that bus gets to Denver, they may want to push the dinger to tell the driver they want to get off. And if they do, the driver can't stop them.

[AllentownJake]

14. A meteor could crash into the earth as well

and wipe out all life on the planet.

[Occam Bandage]

2. Hillary supporters: Winning the voter-controlled part of the nomination process is shameful.

[SoonerPride]

3. No, she can go home. We'll call her when it's time for her to campaign for Obama.

She's awful tired and prone to making crazy statements.

[ProSense]

4. "maybe the Whitey-from-the-pulpit video of Michelle actually exists"? Pathetic. n/t

[kid a]

6. smalll is as smalll does. Sad

[Bicoastal]

15. Smalll sees the world in terms of us versus them, and black versus white--all too literally.

After being personally insulted by him, I've made a point of keeping a watchful eye on everything he says. I can safely say that in the final analysis of smalll's mind, Obama IS every black and rich American (!), just as Hillary represents every poor person and every woman who ever lived(!!). It's sick.

Smalll, just own up to what everyone already thinks of you, and maybe we can help change your perceptions. But you ARE a bigot.

[iconicgnom]

maybe the nude mud-wrestling vid of McCain exists. You never know.

[Connie_Corleone]

5. SOME Hillary supporters: Hoping for something to take Obama down.

Good strategy ya'll got there. If all else fails, hope for disaster. :eyes:

[Cali_Democrat]

7. Let it sink

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. What, exactly, do you have to be proud of?

Anything?

[VolcanoJen]

9. Hillary Supporters: "Something will happen. Something surprising."

This makes me sick. I said it in another thread but it doesn't really bear repeating.

[smalll]

16. Yes, a lot of things could happen over the span of THREE LONG MONTHS. Or, after the

heat of the primaries cools, and the college kids head into their long summer, and the megarallies fade away (like that 75,000 one in Portland with all the latte liberals in their traveler-hats they bought from J. Peterman (or the equivalent) out of the ads in the New Yorker) --

when all that dissipates, Democrats may realize that Obama is not mass, he is boutique. Let's just see where the Obama/McCain polls are in August. Maybe Obama WILL be doing well against McCain by then! But maybe he won't. All I'm saying is that there's no reason to give the understudy a pink slip. We might need Our Girl yet.

[anigbrowl]

39. Yeah. Aliens might abduct him, for example.

This seems about as likely to me as any of the other scenarios proposed.

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[FredScuttle]

12. Yes....let's ignore common sense and jump right to FantasyLand

You are correct that SuperDelegates will decide this....but what in Sam Hill makes you think they'll break for Hillary?

- lost every metric in the primaries, including the only one that matters: DELEGATES
- $30+ million in debt
- running a scorched earth campaign that has turned a good number of her inner circle and associates away from her
- the Party does not want a brokered, tumultuous convention that will doom our chances in the GE

[FSogol]

18. Also the superdelegates have declared 90% for Obama and 10% for Clinton

since Super Tuesday. Why will this change? The Rove stunt yesterday will turn off any Clinton leaning SDs remaining.

[smalll]

21. What in Sam Hill makes me think they may break?

Time. The fullness of time. Three long months.

[FredScuttle]

27. The DNC will not allow this to go past June 3

Hillary has already run out of primaries and money....she's about to run out of time as well

[smalll]

29. Dean can scream to his heart's content - he can't force her out.

Neither of them can win without SuperDs. And SuperDs' "final answer" won't come until the roll-call in Denver. That's ...(ahem)... the Rules.

[FredScuttle]

35. Ah...the purposeful obtuseness of the Shillbot in action

Yes, I'm sure the SDs will sit on their decision until the convention, throwing the race into utter chaos, preventing Obama (and all the other downticket Dem candidates) from raising money for the GE, and poisoning the atmosphere in Denver to the extent that it'll make the '68 convention look and sound like a Jack Johnson concert. :eyes:

[VolcanoJen]

45. "purposeful obtuseness"

Good God, that's perfect!! That's precisely what it is.

[AtomicKitten]

13. Good luck trying to overturn the will of the voters.

This argument flies in the face of Hillary's (hypocritical) argument that we must count the votes of the disqualified elections in FL and MI. She doesn't give a good goddamn about the will of the people and neither do you.

* Democracy will prevail.
* Rules will be followed.
* Obama will be the Democratic nominee.

[wileedog]

17. "Things can happen: maybe the Whitey-from-the-pulpit video of Michelle actually exists"

You do know that the GOP has already admitted they have 1200 pages of opposition material to use on Hillary, right?

Or do you think they are just going to let her waltz in too with no mention of things like Whitewater or cattle futures?

[smalll]

19. Whitewater?!? Cattle futures?!?! That stale old stuff would go nowhere.

Whitey-from-the-pulpit would kill though. I'm NOT saying I think it exists! I just think it is a possibility. There's a lot of "possibilities" with Obama considering what we already know about Ayers/Wright/Michelle's Princeton Thesis etc.. A lot of FRESH, NEW possibilities.

Honestly, Whitewater? Cattle futures? You should at least have tried Kazakhstan.

[jenmito]

23. You think there's nothing new that can come out about the CLINTONS? You think

there's nothing controversial between 2000 and now that has yet to come out? How 'bout Bill's latest girlfriends? How 'bout donors from Saudi Arabia and the UAE to the Clinton Library, etc.? Please.

[madrchsod]

20. you are pathetic...

take your racist shit to the other side where they love reading that shit....

[smalll]

22. I'm beginning to get the impression from this thread that Obamatrons don't like the fact --

-- that "MATH" is not always their friend. :shrug:

[jenmito]

24. Math IS our friend. It's Hillary's enemy. That's why she's making numbers up now-Rovian math.

[muryan]

50. I love how you put quotations around math

as if its some mystical force that no one can truly understand. Just because you fail at the basic concepts of it, does not mean we all do

[Lerkfish]

25. "talk about last minute"

LOL!

[GoesTo11]

26. Fuzzy math., 53-47 margin (in percent of delegates) is pretty substantial

in a two-person race and a proportional delegate system.

[Goblinmonger]

30. yep. 53-47

would be labeled a landslide in the GE.

[GoesTo11]

37. since 1940 about an average margin of victory in GE

[cali]

28. Once he reaches 2025, she's done. And if she tries to take it to the

convention, she's just as done.

[NewHampshireDem]

31. LOL: "the uberlattes in "Democrats Abroad" "

My oh my, you really don't know shit, do you?

You think we all live in Paris, in luxury apartments overlooking the Seine?

Get real.

[smalll]

33. Pretty much most of you, yeah -

if not you're a young trustafarian slumming it in an unfashionable arrondissment - or bumming around Bali, or hiking the Himalayas.

[NewHampshireDem]

34. My oh my ... you just keep clinging to that bullshit and slamming your fellow dems

All it does is reveal the depths of your ignorance.

[Catherina]

32. No thanks. n/t

[SaveAmerica]

36. I want to be an uberlatte, how do I sign up for that gig?

[JackORoses]

38. Smalll minds think alike, Hillary would be proud

[dionysus]

40. and then we can hop into santa's sleigh with the tooth fairy, go visit the easter bunny, and live in

a giant shoe...

[IsItJustMe]

41. So do expect her to be campaigning until August, since you say she is going to take it to the

convention. I be very interested in seeing her and Obama both campaigning for the POTUS until August. I sure would like to know where all the money is going to come from. You better open your pockets wide if this is your dream.

I think it's beyond delusional myself. But have fun with it.

[smalll]

46. "Campaigning until August?" Not exactly. Already the MSM and McCain are Obama-focused -

But it's THREE LONG MONTHS to Denver. Once people realize that Obama is a boutique rather than a mass phenomenon, once the hype fades and the megarallies die away and the Obama Youth begin to luxuriate in their long collegiate summer break, once people start to take a long hard look at the electoral map, etc. etc. --- Hillary doesn't have to officially "campaign" after June 3rd - she just has to sit there, waiting for Democrats to come to their senses. If a week is an eternity in politics, what's three months? She's performing a service to the Democratic Party. She's preserving the Toricelli Option, as it were.

[muryan]

51. You do realize that with college kids out of class for the summer

they are more likely to be MORE involved. I know for a fact I'm spending almost my entire summer working for the campaign, and I'm definitely not alone. Thats a far cry from the phonebanker/keyboard warrior I've been while in class.

[phrigndumass]

42. *Click*

Hear that click? That was the sound of the light at the end of the tunnel being switched off.



:D

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

43. crikey

[Beregond2]

44. You lost the right to any attention

when you used the word" "uberlattes."

[smalll]

47. And yet you kicked. Come on, you just virtually conceded it's a good coinage.

Perhaps my best work since "Barok-bok-bok-bok-bok!" :hi:

[smalll]

48. Kick. It's far from over!

And I like the looks of the final three primaries -- Hillary may be ahead in Puerto Rico, and S.Dak and Montana are typical Obama-favorable empty states -- South Dakota is part of the Lake Woebegon Scandinavian heartland - another Iowa - and Montana continues to rapidly lattify with all the Hollywood celebs and other rich Californians buying homes out there -- except this time, it's primaries, not caucuses! I could see Hillary winning one, or perhaps both of them. This season is NOT ending well for Obama.

[smalll]

49. Kick. Math can work for Hillary too! /nt

[cliffordu]

52. Really a sad commentary on the desperation of a campaign.

[RBInMaine]

53. Hillary Clinton has LOST this nomination, she knows it, so get over it.

[Forkboy]

54. You're one of the ones that I'm really enjoying seeing squirm.

Thank you.

[HuffleClaw]

55. the party could end it for her at ANY time should it choose

it HASN'T, which should really tell people something. they know she still has some role to play.