Latte hate

[Mooney]

I have come to the conclusion that anyone who uses the term "latte" as a pejorative here is either:

a) A troll

b) An asshole

Or probably both.

I know, I know. The term "latte liberal" is meant to denote an ivory tower, overly-educated faux liberal who is out of touch with regular folk. Because god knows, we can all tell everything we need to know about a person's voting habits, personal stands on issues and sense of social justice based on what kind of coffee they drink and where they buy it.

If you use the term "latte liberal," you are either a freeper troll or an asshole, and you most certainly have an extremely ignorant, one-dimensional view of people.

It's too bad stupidity isn't painful.

[Swamp Rat]

1. c) Nuts

[Mooney]

6. I never give stupid people credit for being crazy.

I have legitimate sympathy for the mentally ill. Stupid people, on the other hand, can find sympathy in the dictionary between "shit" and "syphillis."

[Swamp Rat]

20. In McNut's case, I do.

As he is both.

[dana_b]

8. wow - that's really gross - but funny!

oh, and Latte-liberal? I HATE that term too. It does not accurately describe most of the Dem party, is derogatory, insulting and used by people who are frustrated and can't think of a better point to make to back up their views.

[Swamp Rat]

25. Thanks!

:D

[LisaM]

2. I don't agree with that. I live in Seattle

and the amount of money people spend on lattes is obscene. Not to mention that there are really people who freak out if they can't get one. One of my colleagues travelled to Europe with a fellow Seattlite and said the first thing the person did - in PARIS! - was look for a Starbucks!

[PatGund]

11. Yeah no kidding

I live in Seattle too and do not understand the thing about coffee here.

I joke that if they ever find out I hate coffee, I'll get kicked out of King County

[Cant trust em]

12. The irony about Starbucks in Paris is the difference in coffee culture

Starbucks is all about cofee to go. Paris is about sitting and sipping for two hours.

[LisaM]

26. Not to mention the sheer obnoxiousness of it.

I'll drink a latte occasionally, but I prefer to sit and sip it too, and I like it in a real cup. The amount of waste generated by lattes to go is frustrating.

We used to have a pot of flavored coffee every day - Irish Cream, Chocolate Almond, etc., which I really liked, but the people who work here insisted that we get a grind-the-bean-for-every-cup Starbucks machine instead, so they took away the flavored coffee. Too bad. I don't know why, but it just irks me to see that fancy machine up there, and the people who frequent it are - shall we say - pretentious.

[Cant trust em]

35. Freshly ground beans just taste better

Like garlic that you chop and toss in the pan tastes better than the pre-chopped stuff out of the jar.

If there's a goofy beverage snob thing that bothers me more is wine snobbery. If you are ever forced to spend time talking with a wine person and you tell them that one you liked the most isn't the most expensive, expect to hear some jeering. My uncle is the worst. We went tasting somewhere and when I said that I liked the $20 bottle more than the $60 he chuckled. I'm like It's alcoholic grape juice, not that big of a deal. It's like being snobby just for the sake of being snobby.

[LisaM]

39. I cook a lot and always use fresh ingredients

but I honestly can't tell the difference in the coffee made with that machine from the old one. Plus I liked Irish Cream, which I guess is now considered a low taste.

The machine breaks down a lot too - then there is NO coffee!!!!!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

50. That you grow in your own backyard, I'm sure.

Oh and nice touch with the "which I guess is now considered a low taste."

All that perfection, AND you're a martyr for the working class! :eyes:

[LisaM]

56. Boy, you really dislike me, don't you?

I don't know why - I was having a perfectly nice conversation with someone else - but if it makes you happy to rib me, go for it.

[Cant trust em]

92. I got that feeling too.

We're talking about coffee here. Should we start having these chats via PM?

Wow.

[Cant trust em]

52. My biggest coffee pet peeve is when someone drains the urn in the kitchen

and doesn't fill it up! Hang them from the nearest yardarm, I say!

[knixphan]

90. sitting and enjoying - that's the Parisian way.

We're still catching up here in the US.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

17. She looked for a Starbucks??!!? Oh noes!!! How DARE she??!?

In PARIS!!1!

Speaking of elitist...

[LisaM]

29. You're okay with people going to Europe and seeking out big box chains?

No matter where I go, I try to shop locally.

[last1standing]

38. I'm okay with it.

I mean it's really none of my business if they look for a big box chain. I may not agree with the concept for myself, but I won't judge people for it, either.

[LisaM]

40. Well I was just giving an example to make a point

of why people might try to generalize about people who drink lattes. Living in Seattle has kind of made me anti-latte, though. Starbucks everywhere. Some buildings have two or three of them - in the same building!

[Cant trust em]

45. I don't even think Starbucks is the best coffee chain

I live in San Francisco and there are plenty of Starbucks around. I think that their roast has a particularly burnt flavor to it that I'm not into. I always get a Starbucks card for Christmas from someone, so I will usually drink their coffee if I'm on the go and I need something and Starbucks is nearby. If I have time I'll stop at my favorite spot in my neighborhood, namely, Maxfield's House of Caffeine.

[Cant trust em]

48. Isn't it cooler to when in Paris, do as Parisians do?

I definitely see shopping at American chains abroad as being a little strange. Particularly when you're in a place that is known for coffee.

[last1standing]

51. I do, but I wouldn't make that call for others.

I prefer more of a "live and let live" mentality.

[Cant trust em]

55. It's not something I'd call someone on

but I'd be thinking in my head "that's pretty lame". I think that's a healthy level of judgment on taste. As long as I'm not being a vocal asshole, I'll take it.

[LisaM]

58. Actually, she embarrassed my friend

who had no intention of spending her time in Paris searching out Starbucks!

[last1standing]

65. I wouldn't be embarrassed, I'd be pissed.

I've gone on vacations with others who wanted to spend the entire trip doing the same things I could do at home and that does annoy me. I don't fly thousands of miles to lay by a pool all day and eat as L'Applebees. I want to get out and see the sights, meet the people and experience things I can't elsewhere. That's why I always have a general plan of what I want to do and make sure others know I'll leave them to do my own thing if they start down that road.

I wasn't attacking you at all, Lisa, I just wanted to say that it's not my business what others do on vacation so long as it doesn't hurt others. :hi:

[LisaM]

74. LOL, I didn't mean you.

It sounds as if you and I would enjoy vacations together. I always like to get the local flavor of things. Lots of small towns in the US have small charming coffee shops. I can't remember the name of the shop now, but there is an excellent one in Black Mountain, North Carolina. Their coffee is great and so is the atmosphere. But they didn't know what "tall" meant in coffee vernacular!

I used to work as a barista. You learn a lot about people by the coffee they drink and how they order it. My favorite story is about a FedEx worker who came in on a rainy morning and ordered a quadruple latte with whole milk! She was in a huge hurry. When we gave her the coffee, the shop owner said, "drive safely out there!" and she answered, "can't do it ma'am! FedEx". Beware the FedEx trucks with their quadruple-latte fuelled drivers!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

46. I prostrate myself before your purity. nt

[sniffa]

87. It's like visiting NYC and looking for The Olive Garden

[Cant trust em]

94. There's an Olive Garden right in the middle of Times Square

a zillion amazing restaurants in a 5 block radius and I'm sure that they make an ton of money at that location.

[sniffa]

95. But, who in their right mind would go there and not any of the incredible Italian restaurants there?

:shrug:

[Cant trust em]

96. Certainly not any self-respecting latte liberals.

Maybe disliking Olive Garden doesn't make me a "better" person, but it means that I have better taste in food.

[Mooney]

22. I know. And I have never bought a latte in all my 38 years.

It's just the reductiveness of it that I find offensive. Are the votes of people who buy their coffee at 7-11 somehow more well-informed or more socially just?

[Cant trust em]

37. The idea that the type of coffee you drink defines the quality of your humanity is insane

I can't even believe that we have been forced to talk about this. Truly mindnumbing.

[BOSSHOG]

3. I enjoy being a Cafe A'ulait liberal

enjoying my libation then trolling Bourbon Street awaiting young Christian Girls from Omaha who show their breasts for beads thrown by young Christian Boys from Peoria.

[RainDog]

you are a beautiful cynic

[OneSelf]

57. Oh yes!

I could go for a cafe au lait and some beignets.

mmmhmmm
:thumbsup:

[cynatnite]

4. What if I'm a liberal who hates lattes? n/t

[phrigndumass]

5. LMAO! ... "too bad stupidity isn't painful"

:spray:

I'll be laughing all day now ... after I run to starbucks.

[janx]

7. So you saw it too?

:rofl:

It also said "limousine liberal."

[Mooney]

10. Yup.

I can't wait until this migraine-inducing bullshit comes to its merciful end.

[janx]

21. Is he gone yet?

I don't even remember his name.

[Mooney]

31. No, he's not gone.

And DU rules forbid me from naming him outright.

However...

[Qutzupalotl]

9. Agreed.

They try to paint Oregon with a broad brush like this. One even said it's because we're "right next to Seattle -- Hello, Starbucks?"

I mean, how ignorant is that?

[Mooney]

15. I saw one post that referred to Oregon as a "latte liberal state."

Yup, those loggers are lords of the global village.

[Qutzupalotl]

28. Bag an elk, sip a half-caf mocaccino

with pinkie extended. Makes sense to me!

:toast:

[mcctatas]

13. Unfortunately thier stupidity is painful...

for the rest of us;)

[2rth2pwr]

91. Just a bit of advice, if you are going to insult someone's stupidity, try correctly

spelling the first sentence.

[mcctatas]

103. I'm dyslexic...

bite me.....

[latinolatteliberal]

14. I actually don't drink lattes that often, but I like alliteration. n/t

[2rth2pwr]

16. Anyone who spends seven dollars on a latte, while deploring the homeless situation

deserves the label "latte liberal".

[Mooney]

But a person who spends two dollars on coffee

while deploring the homeless situation deserves what label? And are they more compassionate and liberal because they spend less money on coffee?

[Swamp Rat]

30. You have a very bad habit of quoting Rush Limbaugh on DU!

:D

[2rth2pwr]

32. When did Rush say this? Or are you just pulling it out of your ass to smear me?

[Swamp Rat]

36. You have already smeared yourself here by consistantly posting right-wing propaganda

You post your three threads of Limbaugh propaganda in GD-P almost every day. DUers with search capabilities can look for themselves (go ahead DUers, look at his posting history for the past couple of months).

Keep it up. ;)

[2rth2pwr]

54. Bullshit. Provide one link to a post of mine that is a Limbaugh quote.

I have over 5,000 of them so I'll wait.

[Swamp Rat]

59. LOL!

You will be waiting for at least a week until I get my computer fixed. On it I have saved links about you. Meanwhile, DUers can use the search function to see your right-wing propaganda posts.

Now, don't whine because I cannot pull up the threads at this very moment. Have patience. I have a dossier on you. Once Obama is the nominee, I will put it to use. You shall see. ;)

BHAHAHAHAHA!!! :D

OOps!:

[2rth2pwr]

62. That's weak, make an accusation and then claim your dog ate your homework.

[Swamp Rat]

67. This is good.

:)

Yes, your last point is good, but for those who are patient, they will see something very entertaining in about a week. ;)

And please, in the meantime, keep posting in GD-P this week, all week long. Don't stop! I am collecting your three, daily posts. :D

:evilgrin:

[2rth2pwr]

69. I have 3 posts in one day rarely, the last 3 or 4 days I have but before that not

so much. Another dishonest statement about me. Please go on.

[Swamp Rat]

71. Long in the tooth.

:D

[2rth2pwr]

83. You're so full of shit, are you capable of uttering anything truthful?

[Swamp Rat]

89. LOL!

:rofl:

[dana_b]

53. where the hell is a latte seven dollars?!

even in SF it's maybe $3.50.

Also, judging other people that you don't know and how they spend their money is ridicuous. What if that same person makes enough money to be able to afford a seven dollar latte AND gives time and lots of money to a homeless shelter? Does that same person still deserve to be called some derogatory term? Plese don't tell me it's not derogatory - we all know it's intended as an insult.

edit* oops!I just saw that "while deploring homelessness" - sorry about that!!

[2rth2pwr]

61. Starbucks' Pumpkin Spice Latte gets a dollar more during the holiday season

plus a 2 dollar tip= 7 dollars.

[dana_b]

84. good tipper!!

I know that's how the workers make a good part of their money.
Anyway, that just reminds me of why I make coffee at home.

[K8-EEE]

18. Isn't "Arugula" the new "Latte?"

Def stupid freeper trolls....

[Midlodemocrat]

19. I love lattes. Starbucks in particular.

I'm as left wing as you get, so I take that pejorative with the proverbial grain of salt.

[smalll]

24. Artisanal organic sea-salt, I should imagine. /nt

[Midlodemocrat]

34. Nah. The stuff I get from Costco.

[Bake]

75. Dammit, Midlo, I was all set to flame you

Until I saw it was YOU!!!!

:hi:

Bake

[Midlodemocrat]

81. Truly, I LURVES Starbucks.

I know some folks don't like the flavor. I just can't get enough.

:hi:

[Bake]

82. Hell yeah, me too!

Not usually lattes, although I had one the other day (first time) and it was wonderful! Generally I just do the French Roast, black and sweet!

Bake

[C_U_L8R]

23. I gotta whole latte love

: - )))

[rug]

27. What about Caramel Macchiato?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

33. My husband is a mechanic

Never completed college. Worked up until he was disabled in various garages and shops. Never had a white collar job in his life. HE LIKES LATTE.

[Mooney]

44. No he doesn't!

Nobody who works blue collar jobs or didn't finish college likes latte! The yodeling assholes here said so! Latte has the same effect on them as daylight has on Dracula!

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

101. Right

and mechanics never listen to classical music and NPR :sarcasm:

To my mind, it is elitist to lump all working class people in the same mold---they simply don't fit.

[democrattotheend]

41. Latte liberals for Obama! Be proud of it!

I made some buttons and bumper stickers for those who are proud to be latte liberals supporting Barack Obama:

http://www.cafepress.com/blue_america/5540105">

I also have buttons for Prius drivers, Arugula eaters, kool-aid drinkers, and eggheads.

http://www.cafepress.com/blue_america/5538454

[NewHampshireDem]

42. Does that go double for people who think Dems who live abroad are 'Uberlattes?"

Oh, or we're 'trustafarians.' :eyes:

[Mooney]

47. Heh heh. I saw that too.

Once again, I can't wait until this idiocy comes to an end. I would almost chop off a pinky at this point to make it stop.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

43. I'm a latte liberal - but I'm for Clinton. Guess I broke the stereotype.

I am a latte drinker and I would probably be one of those people who gets called a "latte liberal" from some derisive right-winger.

[Mooney]

49. Anybody using "latte" as a pejorative, against anybody, is a fucking douche.

No matter who you support. If someone is trying to pigeonhole you somehow based on such unbelievably superficial criteria, then that person is a fucking douche. You can tell them I said so.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

63. I will the next time I get called that. You make house calls?

n/t

[Mooney]

70. For you, yes, I'll make a house call.

My 5'7" frame will intimidate them into submission.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

72. Why thank-you. I'm only 5'6 1/2 - so you'll be some help!

n/t

[Mooney]

86. You can stand on my shoulders and wear a very long trench coat.

[Two Americas]

76. ROFL!

Calling someone a "latte liberal" - oh the horror! But calling someone "a fucking douche?" - no problem. Talk about "unbelievably superficial criteria" for "pigeonholing" someone. I suppose it is OK because "it is true."

[Mooney]

88. Calling someone a "fucking douche" doesn't originate from a Club For Growth ad.

[Two Americas]

100. Oh I see

There is politically correct hatred, and politically incorrect hatred then I guess?

This is an intentional use of a right wing phrase - "politically correct" - in the hope that we can stop knee-jerk reacting to right wing talking points and stop fearing them. If we had a serious program to tackle the actual substance of the right wing program with courage and vision, we wouldn't be so afraid of their talking points. We fear them because we have no response to them, we have no response to them because we are too cowardly or compromised to tackle the right wing program head on. Their talking points are taunting us to actually come out from hiding and do battle, but we always back down and refuse. They know we are weak, they know that we are not willing to stop them, that we are nothing but hot air, so they can use their talking points with impunity. Were we to actually go after them, their talking points would be of no use to them.

[Two Americas]

60. that is funny

The only time I see "latte liberal" here is when Obama supporters complain about other people, particularly Clinton supporters using it. Maybe someone is saying "latte liberal" around here - other than the people complaining about it - but it must be rare or the threads must sink fast.

Obviously, anyone who did say "latte liberal" is not talking literally about a person's coffee drinking habits, and I can't imagine anyone being offended or defending their personal coffee drinking habits. Your notion that people decide that a person is "an ivory tower, overly-educated faux liberal who is out of touch with regular folk" because they drink a particular kind of coffee is pretty silly. No one sees someone drinking a latte and then says "there is an ivory tower, overly-educated faux liberal who is out of touch with regular folk." Do you really believe that anyone does that? That idea is as silly, or sillier than it would be if anyone ever did do that.

I will say "latte liberal" is you like, and say that it means intellectual and educated liberals who think there shit doesn't stink, and who harbor enormous prejudice for and hatred toward people who are not "like minded" who don't "share their values." There, now you can rail against me. I am a socialist, by the way, not a freeper, not a troll, not stupid, not ignorant but quite possibly an asshole lol. I am not a Clinton supporter, either. And I always work diligently for the party's nominee and vote for the nominee in the general. Oh, and I don't drink latte. I prefer Cappuccino.

[Mooney]

73. There have been a couple of those posts today and over the last couple of days

as the Oregon primary draws closer and it becomes necessary for supporters of a certain candidate to be dismissive of any candidate who would win there. As such, the term "latte liberal" has been thrown around with increasing frequency.

[Two Americas]

80. OMG!!!

Rally the troops, man the barricades, they are calling us "latte liberals!"

Once those voters hear the words "latte liberals" they will all go out and vote for McCain. The people so hate latte and anyone who would drink it.

Too bad we don't have anything of substance to worry about.

[Mooney]

85. The people using the "latte liberal" term might as well be McCain voters.

"Latte" became shorthand for "liberal scum" back in 2004, in a charming Club For Growth ad against Howard Dean when he was the Democratic frontrunner. The ad implored him to take his (and I'm paraphrasing here) "latte-sipping, sushi-eating, belly button piercing, liberal freak show" back to Vermont where it belongs. If republican assclowns like Steve Moore want to say stupid shit, that's fine, but to hear Democrats parroting him four years later is a little disturbing. I don't see any difference between that and hearing Democrats in 2008 talking about the semen stain on Monica Lewinsky's dress, or hearing Democrats talk shit about Michelle Obama in the same way that Republicans used to talk shit about Hillary Clinton when Bill Clinton was first running for president.

I don't like it when Democrats adopt Republican talking points, however trivial and substance-less they may be.

[Two Americas]

97. I know the history of the phrase

I also know that the most successful right wing propaganda builds on perceptions that already existed, and that have some basis in objective reality, and I also know that nothing helps them more than when we take the "opposite position" to their idiotic talking points and accept battle on their terms and by their rules - as the people on this thread are clearly doing.

The effectiveness of propaganda such as "latte liberal" is a reflection of our pathetic and profound weakness, not of any great or brilliant work by the right wingers.

So we identify who "might as well be McCain voters" by whether or not they say "latte liberal."

I think you just made my point for me.

[Mooney]

99. Not really.

I don't think you even made your own point for you.

People need to be called out on their shit.

[Two Americas]

104. why?

Why do people "need to be called on their shit?" Who decides? Who does the calling? I do not think that right wing talking points are serious "shit" that we need to call people on. The pervasive influence of libertarian ideas, and the acceptance of the right wing definitions of the issues and the sides we are compelled to take, and the rules of engagement - regardless of the particular words used - among Democrats is the much bigger problem. There is a tremendous amount of resistance to anyone bringing that up, let alone "calling people on their shit" for that.

It may feel good to "call people on their shit" but as a political tactic, it is extremely ineffective and counter-productive.

[mod mom]

64. or perhaps a coffee purist. ;)

My husband always kids me asking "would you like a little coffee with your milk?"

[Beregond2]

66. The whole idea of a "latte liberal"

is particularly funny to us here in the Northwest. Everyone drinks "gourmet" coffee here; even Republicans. From our POV, anyone who uses that term is just someone with no taste!

[eridani]

105. Sign in a bait and tackle shop in Gearhart, OR

Live Bait and Espresso

[crankychatter]

68. Crankychatter is a Latte' Radical - Boycott Starbucks

I roast my own Fair Trade green coffee beans at home and grind them fresh.

I make the most astonishing latte's I've ever tasted and I'm a Seattle Coffee Nazi.

It costs me less than a dollar including milk for a quad shot latte'.

Starbucks actually tried to trademark the name "Ethiopia" and was being sued by the nation of Ethiopia to stop it. I don't know if that's been resolved but they don't use exclusively fair trade coffee... OR organic...

... and THAT, makes them transnationalist assholes.

Boycott Starbucks

besides... anyone that can pay five bucks a cup for coffee... then buys their brand name "Ethos" bottled water to "save the world," probably MERITS the term, "Latte' Liberal."

lmmfao

git some skin, baby... it's da "internets."

[mdmc]

77. I love lattes

I am a bleeding heart, tax and spend, big government liberal (aka unelectable democrat).

[rucky]

78. Lattes are moderate, anyways.

Cappuccinos are left of Nelson Mandela.

Macchiattos are way right wing - even the name sounds like an Italian dictator.

And - to varying degrees - all tea is sexist.

[DS1]

79. Our Starbucks is closed for renovation since last week

I'm already leaning towards Clinton

help!

[gabby garcia]

93. hey y'all! i'm a latte sippin', 10 speed bike ridin',...

...mocha chocolate chip ice cream eatin', college edumacated, feminist, democrat, liberal elitist for Obama.

raght here in texas.

whoda thunk it?

;-)
gg

[Township75]

98. Yeah, nice rant

"If you use the term "latte liberal," you are either a freeper troll or an asshole, and you most certainly have an extremely ignorant, one-dimensional view of people. "

You sound pretty ignorant and one dimensional too.

[Mooney]

102. How so?