There It Is. She Pretty Much Just Said She's Taking It To The Convention

[berni_mccoy]

She said "On June 3rd, neither I or Senator Obama will have the magic number of delegates to secure the nomination". She went on to say that the party has a tough decision to make to decide who is going to be the better leader. That is, it doesn't matter how people voted or how the delegates add up, it matters what happens at the convention.

What she won't say is that by taking this to the convention in August that neither her nor Obama will be able to beat McCain because they won't be able to run two campaigns. And that seems to be exactly what she wants.

[JuniperLea]

1. No surprise

She's said that all along.

[Joe the Revelator]

2. She needs to be stopped. I can't believe she's willing to kill the party to put herself over

She is responsible for whatever happens if a republican is elected.

[speedoo]

23. Why can't you believe she puts herself before the Party?

When's the last time she actually behaved like a Democrat?

I honestly can't remember. She stopped being a Democrat at least six years ago.

[truedelphi]

60. Please believe it. If she had been outspoken about the election machinery

And its hackability in Nov 2004 and encouraged Kerry NOT to concede in Ohio, Maybe we would have avoided the last four yrs of Bush.

But not only did she not encourage Kerry she phoned Edwards the day after the election and told him to quit grandstanding - to quit insisting that every vote needed to be counted.

[babylonsister]

3. That might inspire SDs to kick it into overdrive. Plus, she's playing

with numbers that aren't there.

[dana_b]

25. right. If on the 31st they settle the Fl/MI debacle and it doesn't work out with her numbers,

then the SDs HAVE to come out. They know that this can't go to the convention and still win. They will put him over and she's done.

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[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

5. 1 thing and 1 thing only changes that - the SDs roll out.

I have no idea why they are waiting. I think the ones who are from states that haven't voted should wait out of decorum if nothing else. But I think the rest of them should declare and get this slow torture over for the rest of us.

[SoonerPride]

7. They will roll out 5-7 a day until 6/3 then it is over.

They don't want to make it look like they are pushing her out, even though they are pushing her out.

If Obama unleashed all 200 supers he has commitments from, the Hillary fans would cry foul and get mad.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

33. But she rolled out 200 on day one! (Maybe that's what she meant by "ready on day one!")

That would be hypocrisy!

There could be no griping!

[SoCalDem]

35. only 1/4 of SD supporting her ws a slap in the face..One would think that at least 1/2 would have st

They are just not that "into her"..and some of the ones she HAD, have been leaving her..

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[2rth2pwr]

17. Who?

[totodeinhere]

Al Gore and Jimmy Carter must publicly call for her to quit.

[2rth2pwr]

44. Why would she listen to them?

[totodeinhere]

66. They are the two top Dems who have not made an endorsement.

If she didn't listen to them then we would know her for what she is, a selfish individual who only cares about herself and doesn't give a damn about her party.

[hendo]

58. Pelosi needs to do it

If Gore or Kerry did it, she would just call them sexist, and her legions would scream bloody murder.

[totodeinhere]

67. We shouldn't let them get away with automatically calling any opposition to Clinton sexist.

[Shakespeare]

8. Then the party needs to make that decision within th next 10 days. Unequivocally.

Get out the SDs in force, get out the party elders in force. We HAVE to finish this thing before summer.

[housewolf]

9. Does that mean that she has commitments from so many

super-delegates that they won't commit to Obama (or her either, for that matter), until either 1) after June 3 or 2) the convention?

[Zachstar]

10. Well what is she supposed to say? Obama diddnt bother to campaign in kentucky and wont even get 30%

She has gotten a giant win and feels she can make the case.

So either a LARGE amounts of supers endorse Obama or this is going to the convention.

Obama you are an idiot. And yes I am a supporter saying that.

[AllentownJake]

18. KY and WV

would have went this way regardless of he spent 5 years there campaigning.

[Zachstar]

29. Not true

A good campaign there (Even a train trip) could have gotten it to within 10 percent.

[AllentownJake]

36. Nope

Have you ever been to those states? Selling change there is like selling ice to eskimoes they don't want change. They haven't changed in 30 years.

[Occam Bandage]

38. Completely true. Those states are beyond lost causes for any black candidate.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. Hate to point this out but low information voters (I'm being polite)

think that a boy, who is also a muslim, should never come through the front door of the White House

That is the reality of Deep Apalachia

[Tatiana]

45. That is darn near word-for-word what one person in Kentucky told me. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. And I don't live down there... scary... isn't it

I just have heard that crap from our local white supremacist boys who'd never vote for a boy... even if their lives depended on it

Perhaps this election will finally allow us to see the deep racism in the country and finally deal with it

[Tatiana]

43. NO. That's absolutely NOT TRUE.

65% of the voters in the Kentucky democratic primary self-identified as conservatives.

With 90% of the vote in, Hillary Clinton has 65% of the vote.

What does that tell you. The conservatives voted for Hillary. That's her base in a state like Kentucky or West Virginia. Obama is not a conservative, that's not his base, he's never going to get that vote no matter how long and hard he campaigned in Kentucky.

That's just reality. Bill Clinton won because he was a southern conservative Democrat who campaigned on conservative standbys like "personal responsibility" and "welfare reform." Obama is not that sort of candidate. He would not win a state like Kentucky. Period. Throw a little racism into the mix and that basically spells "no chance."

[4themind]

82. What's done is done at this point

What basis do you have for saying 10%, vs. 11.5 %, 20% or 25%. I do agree that he should have spent more time there, but I do NOT think he would have gotten it to the same margin that he got in P.A> which had a SIGNIFICANTLY larger population that has fit his traditional demographic groups in this primary, relative to kentucky. To even begin to make a larger dent IMO, he'd have to significantly increase his spending, like he did in PA and STILL lost by 10%(well according to the media). Do you know why he didn't do that this time? Because(IMO) he KNEW what would happen if he spent tons of money in KY and lost, the same fucking thing that happened in PA. "Oh he outspent me 3-1 and still lost!!!!111!" He didn't play their game this time, he knows that PLEDGED delegates were his key to victory here and didn't want to give ANY legitimacy to their tactics or arguments. If you think that means that he somehow doesn't care about Kentuckians (and I'm not saying that you're necessarily implying this) then you're free to go to a candidate who you think does a better job of it.

[Hippo_Tron]

76. Hillary didn't bother to campaign in Idaho and Nebraska because she couldn't win there

So I don't see your point.

[spanone]

11. the media will leave her camp soon and no one will know or care

[book_worm]

12. The Super delegates will stop her

[NashVegas]

13. So?

[Freida5]

14. Good for her.

[berni_mccoy]

31. Moronic.

[Occam Bandage]

15. Then the party needs to take her campaign out behind the barn.

[walldude]

16. She said "the 2210" is the magic number

Funny a few months ago it was 2025. Maybe she can tell us what the final number is so we stop thinking she won't "move the goalpost" again.

[napi21]

19. Why are you fools reading things into her speach that aren't there?

All along she's been saying she wants to let the primaries play out. That's June 3rd! It's also true that neither candidate will have the needed total delegates to WIN on June 3rd. It will take the SD's to side with one or the other.

All of that is just fact! Where does she say I'm staying until August? NOWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This will all be over by mid August, so quit makin stuff up!

[Occam Bandage]

22. Actually, it's quite possible Obama will have the 2025 required to win on June 3rd. She's now

saying she won't step down until anyone reaches her made-up 2210 number.

[berni_mccoy]

27. She JUST SAID there WON'T BE A WINNER ON JUNE 3rd. Why can't you Fools Read or Listen?

She believes the Magic Number is 2210 when it's clearly 2025.

What you don't get is that this contest CAN'T GO UNTIL MID AUGUST. It Needs To Be Over On June 3rd or we won't be able to run an effective campaign vs. McCain.

[Tom Rinaldo]

39. Stuff I read before suggested she would give herself up to a week...

...after June 3rd to press her case with Super Delegates as to why she would be the stronger candidate to nominate. In a sense that is the final primary, winning the support of enough Super Delegates to put one candidate over the top.

So it is not crystal clear from those comments that Clinton plans to take this to the convention.

[napi21]

57. It WILL be over by mid June! The SD's will make sure of that.

I can't blame Hillary for wanting to seat the Fl & Mi delegates. She's fighting for her political life and I'd do the same thing and so would YOU! The Fl Mi thing will be settled by June 1st, by the DNC committee that meets on 5/31. It most likely won't be 2210 but it will be higher than 2025 too. It will be a number somewhere between those two, and still will require SD's to make the final decision. They WI do that by mid June or sooner!

You need to stop trying to stir up trouble!

[KittyWampus]

63. No, it won't be a number higher than 2025. You cannot change rules in the middle of a primary.

[napi21]

64. I am positive that the DNC committee will assign the Fl & Mi delegates

1/2 & 1/2 to each candidate. Although I dont agree with it...I happen to think the Dem officials in these States KNEW what they were getting into by breaking the rules, and should suffer the consequences, so much has been made over disenfranchising their voters, I think that's the way the DNC Committee will handle it. THAT will change the # a bit higher than 2025, but not by much. Obama will still be the winner.

[high density]

20. Today not withstanding, the race is already tilting toward Obama vs. McCain

The headlines in the news bear this.

The super delegates will give Obama the magic number.

[apocalypsehow]

21. Just as I've said all along - though I think she's taking it further. I think when Obama is formally

nominated, she will be in court the next day with a boatload of lawyers in an attempt to sue her way to the nomination. Not that she thinks she will win, but she hopes it will damage Obama enough to give the GE to McCain so she can run again in 2012.

[AlinPA]

80. It looks that way to me. nt

[mmonk]

24. No. Whether she wants to keep this strategy going or not,

the wise people in the SD position will bring this spectacle to an end.

[lsusteel]

26. If Hillary takes this to the convention

The Democratic party is dead.

And no, that's not hyperbole.

[SoCalDem]

28. SDs will make sure Obama has what he "needs" to prevent that.

They HAVE to..

She's daring them to..

and afterwards, she will go back to being the "poor little woman, being picked on"

Her whole campaign has been predicated on keeping him from being able to get the numbers he needed.. she KNEW she could not win, but she made damned sure HE wouldn't either..and she did it on borrowed money, and by stiffing suppliers along the way.. whattagal:puke:

[kid a]

30. Obama gets the LAST SAY tonight! And it will be a dooosey!

[Raine]

32. I believe more than ever that 2012 is her goal

she wants to ruin Obama so she can run then. :-(

[nomaco-10]

34. I tried to compose a post, but I can't....

I'm speechless after her victory speech. I tried to give her the benefit of the doubt on several ocassions, thinking she is trying to get her campaign debt paid off, or she's in it to hold the party hostage for the VP slot. It has never been anymore clear after tonight, that she means to tear this party apart in Denver. I've never been so ashamed of a dem in my life. Not even joe lieberman holds a candlestick to her.

[Honeycombe8]

37. 2012 is the plan, I guess, if she can't steal it now. I hope the Party steps in. nt

[nomaco-10]

41. You may be right, but she is doing irrepairable damage for '08 right now. n/t

[IndianaGreen]

42. Hillary to Democrats: It's either me or McCain!

She is the political version of a kamikaze suicide pilot.

[BadgerKid]

46. Meanwhile, McCain gets to dump some liabilities

from his campaign team. I think it's up to, what, five now?

[Yukari Yakumo]

47. "On June 3rd, neither I or Senator Obama will have the magic number of delegates to secure the nom."

:wtf:

This may sound misogynic... but I don't care and it's got to be said...

...

BITCH, ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND!?!

Won't have the delegates?! Have you even paid attention?!?

Obama is barely above 100 delegates away from the nom. And that's before KY and OR! And in case you haven't noticed, the SDs are almost all going to the Obama camp.

She never cared for the party. She never cared for the country. She only cares for one thing...

Herself.

[TexasObserver]

48. If she doesn't bow out by the end of June, the DNC will step and get it done.

The supers are not going to waste July and August fighting with Miss Thang.

[southern_belle]

49. sounds like she's prepared to take it to the U.S.

Supreme Court. The conservative majority on the bench would be HAPPY to give it to her - then the Republicans can take out the playbook they've been waiting to use on Hillary.

[ErinBerin84]

50. She's starting her "I told you so" tour early

and she wants her supporters to "know" that they got absolutely cheated and screwed, and that she won the popular vote, and that she is the spokeperson for the "hardworking people". I don't have a problem with her staying until the end, but I cannot stand for her fucking dishonesty with the metrics. I don't really care if she has "toned down the rhetoric" against Obama. She is being dishonest.

[Yukari Yakumo]

52. Clinton lied... what else is new? {nt}

uguu

[milkyway]

53. She is only still in this race because the supers are allowing her to be in the race. It seems

that, after her "hard-working white people" remarks, it was made clear to her that if she didn't stop that kind of crap they would pull the plug on her campaign by endorsing Obama in large numbers.

Russert said a short while ago that the supers will move very quickly after June 3. Obama will have the delegates necessary under every metric.

The primary purpose of her campaign now seems to be to raise money, continuing to fool the kool-aid drinkers into thinking it's not over.

[dcindian]

54. No surprise from the psychotic republican plant

really none at all

[KaptBunnyPants]

55. Gee, so all this "lay off the Clinton campaign while they find a way to quit" stuff is bullshit?

When Obama supporters tell the truth about Hillary and her disgusting campaign, her supporters go to their usual posture of playing the victim. But they have every intention of inflicting President McCain upon America, whether the rest of you kiss their ass or not.

[Swamp Rat]

56. Yes

[Faygo Kid]

61. Thank you. This don't-fight-for-OUR-candidate stuff has to stop.

Geez, whether from Hillary backers or Obama supporters, these calls to tiptoe around Hillary supporters' "hurt feelings" about the nomination are lunacy.

I never see Hillary backers, confident of her "coming win," making the same call. This is just nuts. You visit the Hillary sites, and they are worse than the FReepers in their hatred of Obama. (Hell, I saw one citing Lyndon LaRouche as a trusted source.)

They fight tooth and nail for their candidate, but we are supposed to not say anything because of their "hurt feelings?" I can't believe, after two terms of Bush, that we are now being told to go to the back of the bus because we support someone besides Hillary Clinton.

Sorry. Not gonna happen.

[Warren DeMontague]

75. Yeah, remember? She wanted to "go out on a win".

She was just looking for a "graceful way to exit"..

Sort of like Hunter S. Thompson's thing about speeding away from the cop while he has his blinker on to pull over.

[MarjorieG]

59. How about Gallup where he beats her in every category except over 50 women.

He's been gaining. Polls, whoever is paying, are wild, and many delight in keeping the Dems at eachother.

[backscatter712]

62. She's activated the Genesis Device! She's on a buildup to detonation!

No, Obama, you can't get away!

[berni_mccoy]

68. LOL. OMFG!

:rofl:

[BadgerKid]

65. *senses alarming activity over at the Temple of Doom*

[backscatter712]

69. AWESOME!!!

:rofl:

[BadgerKid]

70. .

Thanks. Made it yesterday waiting for the right moment/thread.

[kenny blankenship]

73. "Choose the form of the DESTRUCTOR! Choose and DIE! "

The Traveler has come.

[BadgerKid]

77. LOL. n/t

[Pab Sungenis]

71. Come on, horse! If you wake up, I'll make you Secretary of State!

[slinkerwink]

72. No, she didn't say that.

[berni_mccoy]

78. Yes. She did.

[Warren DeMontague]

74. Vaudeville Hook! Vaudeville Hook! Vaudeville Hook!

Seriously. Get off the fucking stage.

[4themind]

79. I wonder if Ted Kennedy(praying he makes a full recovery btw) will say anything

He took it to the convention too, and he knows the consequences of it, I think he can speak with gravitas as to it's dangers

[IsItJustMe]

81. Anyone with two brain cells can see that it is all about Hillary.

[olkaz]

83. If she takes it to the convention, her presidential aspirations are over forever.

I don't think she'll do it because of that reason alone. She's behind the 8-ball now, and will give tepid support for Obama in the GE.

It's all about 2012 for the Clinton camp.