Hillary: VP?

[LawSchoolLiberal]

Look. I'm pretty sure I'll be flamed for this, most likely from all directions. Some Hillary supporters will say it's sexist and condescending, trying to offer her a carrot to get out of the way when she has plenty of support. Some Obama supporters will say it's "giving in" to some of her supporters and to some campaign tactics people found distasteful. But I think there is a reasonable argument that Hillary should be strongly considered for, and, I would argue, offered the vice presidential spot on the ticket.

As of tonight, the elected delegate battle is over. There is still an infinitesimal possibility of something extremely unusual happening, but, for all intents and purposes, Barak Obama is the presumptive nominee. Hillary is well aware of the facts, and, after watching her last two election night speeches, I think she is doing a decent job of trying to walk a narrow middle line, trying to sound positive and relevant, while avoiding overly aggressive attacks that hurt everyone. And, with the exception of Monday's "Not so fast!" press release and the associated Rove maps, her speeches and statements have mostly been supportive and/or respectful. Combined with the clear voice she seems to have found in the later part of the primary season, I think that speaks strongly in her favor.

Are there other candidates who would also be beneficial? Absolutely. Candidates who would be more consistent with an end to the politics of the past? Absolutely. But I believe the positives outweigh the negatives. Hillary DOES have a large base of support, some of whom will make winning specific swing states easier. And whatever anyone thinks about Hillary's scrappy approach to the primaries, she has demonstrated some of the exact characteristics that have traditionally been sought in a vice presidential candidate: someone scrappy to get out there and bloody the other guy, so the presidential candidate can stay on the high road and focus on the campaign message. Enough experience that, if necessary, they can step in.

I don't think Hillary is sure yet what she wants to do---other than keep running. But once the primaries are done, and once things calm down, I believe Hillary should be at the top of the list for vice presidential nominees. If she wants something else for herself, great. I'm sure she'll do well. But if she accepted an offer, she would be a strong asset to the ticket.

One vote for Obama/Clinton '08.

[Vote2008]

1. She burnt that bridge three weeks ago. No class in that woman!

[1620rock]

24. Nonsense, this would mend the rift in the party.

[Vote2008]

32. Wrong. Obama is tto smart to pick her. She will stab him in the back for 4 years!

[RC]

44. No, it would further rip the party apart.

Hillary as VP to Obama would be hypocritical after the way she ran her campaign.
We need diplomacy as in sitting down at the table and coming to agreements. Not continuing war or more war. Obama said he would do this. Bu$h has bankrupted this country. We cannot afford more war. Hillary is too much of a hawk. No, let her go back to being the Senator from New York.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

27. How many weeks ago was Mar 7th? That's when she lost for sure.

[musicblind]

35. It isn't JUST about how much you like her, or how much Obama likes her

(although I think Obama is as fine with her as any person would be at the end of a hard contest such as this)... it is about how much the 47% of the Democratic Party likes her. Because almost half of the party voted for her. That's very split. We both have a common goal, you and I, because we both want to see Obama replace George Bush in the white house. We want to make history with this election, and doing so is a serious matter. So I think we should be very serious about what it will take to get us to that goal. I honestly believe that Hillary as VP will do a lot of good towards uniting the party in Nov. I think that ticket will be unbeatable. This is NOT like any other election in history. This is NOT like any other primary in history. A shocking amount of people have come out in favor and love of Hillary.

Even Obama recently said that Hillary is on his short list for VP. OVER half of the democratic party wants hillary for VP and almost half of Obama's supporters (according to polls) would be okay with her as VP. We need to do what is going to get us the most votes from these people who desire this so that you and I can both be so, so, so happy in November!

:)

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/09/politics/fromtheroad/entry4084470.shtml

edit to put in link to Obama's statement on May 9th.

[NYCGirl]

2. No. NT

[WA98296]

3. Highest negatives other than Bush. Bad, bad idea.

[ecstatic]

4. I want the VP to be as classy, honest, and thoughtful as Obama... so... NO nt

[patrice]

5. No disrespect, but a FIRM No thank you. nt

[cali]

6. I wouldn't object.

and yes, it would be a strong ticket.

[emilyg]

28. You bet it would be.

[lisa58]

7. do we have to?

[speedoo]

8. No, thanks.

I just listened to Obama's speech in Iowa. Hillary cannot be on the ticket with this man. It just does not work.

[Secret_Society]

9. Make it two votes

The way Obama has been praising here lately makes me think about it a little more seriously. Also, Clinton could make it ugly on the floor of the convention if she really wants it.

[Growler]

10. Horrible idea!

nt

[Kitsune]

11. No way in hell.

She represents everything he's running to change. To put her on the ticket would completely undermine his message, and would give us nothing but a shit-ton of negatives come November.

[rsmith6621]

Hillary Deserves Nothing

........from Obama....she is a disgrace to women and the party.

[K Gardner]

12. Oh hell no.. she's unbalanced and dangerous.

[rusty quoin]

13. Randi talked about this and said it is not up to Obama.

[DearAbby]

29. I am sure they will force Obama

to select Clinton against his better judgement...how humiliating.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. I think so

and I'd heartily support it.

[Vote2008]

36. Monkey, she cannot be trusted!!

[MonkeyFunk]

39. She cannot be trusted

by haters. I trust her. Half the party trusts her.

Obama can't be trusted by people who hate him, too.

Thankfully, neither group is all that big.

[me b zola]

15. no thanks

really

[jgraz]

16. How can you run as a change candidate with a Clinton on the ticket?

Especially someone who voted for the war. It just won't work.

[C_U_L8R]

17. She needs to go home.

It's over Hillary.

[Life Long Dem]

18. What say u? Either your here or there.

Do you see the leader or not?

[Life Long Dem]

19. Dupe

Delete

[musicblind]

20. Thank you for your rational response.

Obama has done it. He has won, and he fought hard and earned it.

It is not about hating Hillary, or hating Obama. It is about winning against John McCain (who is a very talented candidate in his own right and someone we should take seriously)

I strongly, honest to goodness, believe Hillary would be the best option for Obama's VP. I am not saying this because of a bias, or a desire to shove her down Obama supporter's throats, I have said this for a long, long time. I honestly, deep in my heart, want us to win this election in November, and I think Hillary as VP will unite the party and provide a long string of resources to aid in our collective goal of placing Obama in the White House as the next President of the United States of America.


Another vote for Obama/Clinton '08

[Liberal Veteran]

21. I'm thinking "no".....but thank you.

[Richard Steele]

22. Oh HAIL no! nm

[Laura PourMeADrink]

23. hell no

[DearAbby]

25. NO

[pbca]

26. You may have a point..wait no you don't. No! n/t

[bridgit]

30. Together they can rout republicans into some other century, time to cinch it all together...

[Colobo]

31. Yes.

[CakeGrrl]

33. No. She can't be trusted. I get nothing but bad vibes from her and her campaign

Obama was nothing but gracious and classy to her tonight, and she's still out there whipping up the division. She won't be there for unity; she'll be there to get oh-so-close to the White House.

[But....]

34. It would unite the party...

the republication party.:crazy:

[uponit7771]

37. Why is she still running then? She could've made that case long ago but she didn't

[gal]

38. NO NO NO

:banghead:

[papapi]

40. Dream on Alice, wonderland is just around the corner.

[Hepburn]

41. No Hillary....

...Obama is about CHANGE ~~ not more of the same.

JMHO

[backscatter712]

42. Fuck no!

I don't want that lying, cheating, Rovian, racist narcissist weighing down Obama's campaign like an anchor!

She needs to be sidelined.

[earthlover]

43. When Hillary attacks racism the way she does sexism, we can talk....

20% of Kentucky voters said they voted because of race. Almost all of them voted for Hillary. This is not conjecture, it the rusults of people answering poll questions. It is very likely that many people who actually hold these views were hesitant to say it out loud, so we can assume that there are more out there than 20%.

So, Hillary, the choice is yours...not ours. You have it in your power to choose to speak out against these racially bigoted ass holes and tell them to stick their ass where the sun doesn't shine.

If she does this, she could be considered for VP. If she doesn't do this, she is a moral pygmy and coward.

[New Dawn]

45. Clinton on the ticket = McCain in the White House

[Pisces]

46. No fucking way!!

[sfam]

47. I don't agree that Hillary should try to force it, but if Obama offers...

She probably should accept. If Obama offers, he has made a calculation that Hillary improves our chances of winning. I'm all for it in that case.

If Hillary tries to force herself on the ticket and succeeds, this weakens Obama incredibly - so much so that I think he might lose. If she tries, he really needs to shut her out and throw down.

[scot]

48. Who says she wants it?

I honestly don't think she has the party's best interests at heart. It's all about her. She will lose the primary, make a very nice speech vowing undying fealty to the Obama campaign - then do everything behind the scenes that she can quietly do to make sure he losses so she can run again in 2012. I think she sees that as her last chance as she will be too old and too yesterday by 2016.

[Shae]

49. I hope not. . .

Not her or any other DLC member.