NOT AGAIN!!!

[hogwyld]

If Hillary insists on taking this nomination all the way to the convention, we will once again snatch defeat from the certain jaws of victory! Why are the SD's, Howard Dean, Al Gore, et al allowing this to happen?

[WeDidIt]

1. She can and nobody can stop her

She is now out to guarantee there is no Democratic presidency.

She is now officially working to put McCain in the White House.

[hogwyld]

2. And make another run in 2012

would be my only reason for this fiasco.

[zanne]

3. But how would it help her in 2012? nt

[hogwyld]

5. She's obviously kissing this year off

So if she can damage Obama sufficiently, and create just enough chaos within the party to cause a loss, she can hop on her white horse in 2012 to "save" us.

[Bucky]

30. So your point is "Obviously she's given up on this year, based on how she's not giving up this year"

Thanks for clearing that up, Yogi.

[hogwyld]

39. She's staying in to undermine Obama

so that she doesn't have to deal with 8 years of an Obama presidency. If she divides the party enough, and McLame wins, she is then free to run again in 2012

[2rth2pwr]

41. LOL!

[stillcool]

49. She's hoping for the "Catastrophic Event"

Clinton campaign on ropes
BY JOHN GUERRIERO
Published: May 08. 2008 6:00AM
Murray, who has supported Bill and Hillary Clinton since 1991, said these are tough times for people like him who are in the Clinton camp but want to unify the party.

"The sense is, absent some catastrophic event that would take place in this campaign, it's going to be very difficult to see a path to victory for Hillary given what happened" Tuesday, Murray said.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080508/NEWS02/805080437

Sun May 11, 2008
Analysis: Could Clinton land the VP nomination?

Several Clinton associates say there is still a ray of hope among some in her campaign: that a "catastrophic" revelation about Obama might make it possible for her to win the presidential nomination. But barring that, Hillary and Bill Clinton recognize that her candidacy is being abandoned and rejected by superdelegates whom she once expected to win over and that, even if she were to win the popular vote in combined primary states, she will almost certainly be denied the nomination.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/10/bernstein.clinton/index.html?section=cnn_latest

CBSNews.com Reports: N.Y. Senator Now Faces Nearly Impossible Odds To Capturing Democratic Nomination
May 7, 2008

Clinton's Path To Victory Slipping Away
There is one scenario which does work for Clinton and that’s a massive movement of superdelegates leaving Obama and supporting her. The party leaders could do that, but it would take some unforeseen development in the race between now and the convention for them to do so. Obama, in some way, would have to be rendered so unelectable that the party rejects him at the convention. That’s not much to hang a hat on but it’s starting to look like her best option.

And even that might not be a viable option, said Joe Trippi. “Even if the catastrophic thing existed or happened, if she were perceived to have caused it, I think it would end her campaign too,” Trippi said. I don’t think there’s any way now for her to gain the nomination. She’s at the point now where if she tries to make a case against Obama, it will actually speed up superdelegates joining his cause just to shut the campaign down.”

But Trippi notes that the Obama campaign and Democratic leaders are still likely to give Clinton the room she needs to go forward on her own terms, provided that she does so in a positive manner. “I think there’s lots of tolerance for her going on, running the table into the convention and having a presence there,” he said. “But if she actually tries to compete in the trenches for the nomination in a way that looks like it’s damaging the nominee … I don’t think there will be any tolerance for that at all.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/07/politics/main4078586.shtml

[PoliticalAmazon]

4. But...but..but...HILLARY WANTS IT. Snap out of it, will 'ya? n/t

[hogwyld]

6. Yeah, you're right

Obama should have waited his turn. After all, this is a seniority based oligarchy...:puke:

[Megahurtz]

7. Why aren't they stopping her???

:wtf:

[hogwyld]

8. That's the $64,000 question

Do the Clintons have some nefarious information gleaned during their white house days that they're using against the party leaders?

[sandnsea]

11. They didn't want to call her a liar

so now we're stuck with the biggest lie of all and the only way out is to offend half the women in the Dem Party. A real pickle.

[Lucky 13]

26. Maybe we are beyond that. Maybe we should be asking:

Why aren't WE stopping her?

I'm not sure what the answer to that is. Maybe just working harder and phone banking more. Or maybe we stop trying to be the nice guy and give her a taste of her own medicine.

[hogwyld]

28. Well, Obama's in a pickle on that

He can't get to tough with her as she'll play the victim card, at which she is a master. Probably need a group of women to pull her aside so it won't look like the 'ol boys forcing her to the back.

[Lucky 13]

29. Or a group of women launching the attack.

Her attempt to hijack feminism has pissed me off. I think it has other women too.

[my3boyz]

42. I think they will stop her after the primaries are over. They don't want to be accused of not allowi

ng everyone to vote.

[TornadoTN]

9. They won't stop her because of one thing alone: Clinton

Somehow, the Democratic party associated themselves with Bill Clinton and put all of their eggs into that basket. Effectively resting the future of the party to these "moderate", DLC Dems who do nothing out of their own best interests. While he certainly was a fine President judging by today's standards, he certainly wasn't the "Knight in Shining Armor" that so many people make him out to be. This has all carried over to Hillary and the party is just supposed to stand by and accept whatever the Clinton's say as gospel because somehow Bill was/is our "messiah".

I'm sickened by her and her campaign. A few months ago I was ready to vote for her but I'm glad that my eyes were opened before it came down to my primary day and I finally found a candidate that I believe in.

I may ruffle some feathers here, but if this keeps up the way it is now without some kind of intervention from the party and the sane minds to put an end to this madness, I honestly don't know what I'm going to do come November. Take that whatever way you wish, but I can tell you that I'm more fearful today about the future of our country that I have been at any time previous. Too many ego's and too many self-interests when what we need is leadership to guide us out of this mess.

[JuniperLea]

14. What a crock

You need to read up on your US history, particularly with regard to political conventions and nominees for president. The party set up the process a long time ago, and it's only a relatively recent development that nominees were chosen prior to the convention.

All this nefarious shit is just laughable. This isn't hurting the party in the least. Quit catapulting the propaganda. This is exactly the reaction the GOP wants us to have. It's exactly the division they'd hoped for.

[hogwyld]

19. Say hello to President McCain then

because after the convention, there are only 2 months to heal the party, get the campaign wound up, and try to win an election. Time is NOT on our side.

[JuniperLea]

32. More crock

The only thing dividing the party is the incessant whining... we're fine. Quit believing what the GOP tells you to believe.

Now is not the time to be making shit up... listen to Obama... he knows what the deal is. He isn't saying any of this crap! Far from it!

Either you believe him and trust him or you don't... I pity the poor fool who doesn't believe. What a land of woe you are creating for yourself.

[hogwyld]

15. That's a pretty good explanation

The Clinton wing of the democratic party has a bit too much power, and they are wielding it like the sword of damocles

[MonkeyFunk]

10. Why should they stop her?

This is the process that was set up a long time ago. This was the calendar approved by Howard Dean and the DNC.

Why should they now change the rules just to favor your guy?

[hogwyld]

16. IF the situation were reversed

I would be calling for Obama to drop out for the good of the party. If she had a realistic chance of getting the nomination, by all means stay in, but she really doesn't.

[MonkeyFunk]

31. And that's your evaluation of the situation

but until someone has the majority of all the delegates, there is no nominee.

That's how the system was set up.

[hogwyld]

36. And I'm sure the passengers on the Titanic

were sure that the magnificent boat would be saved too. In the end, time ran out.

[Blarch]

34. Why did Edwards drop out ?

Because he had no chance....

Hillary also has no chance ...but something keeps her in the race.

Hillary says we should wait till all the votes are counted ...using her logic ..all the candidates should stay in till the end. How would that work out ?

[Overseas]

35. They should stop to GIVE THE WINNER CAMPAIGN TIME

That's why. Give the magnificent candidate with the majority of delegates a chance to conduct a full and exciting campaign. Show respect for the millions of new voters he's brought into the fold.

[indimuse]

12. what happened to Obama's steady-stream of SD's , the ones

who were supposted to flock to him , from his last ass kikcking in WV?? I thought, I read all over this board, they were leaping with glee to support Obama... strange...

[JuniperLea]

13. Because it is well within the rules

It's a relatively recent development, this deciding on a nominee prior to the convention.

There isn't a damn thing they can, or should do.

[hogwyld]

23. Would those be the same rules

that Hillary agreed to in not allowing FL and MI to count?

[JuniperLea]

33. Do you want to stick to the subject or not?

Why the hell are so many people flipping out??? Does no one actually listen to what the fuck Obama is saying? You claim you support him and trust him, but your actions tell otherwise.

Quit making shit up... Listen to Obama... he is right. We are fine. Quit helping the GOP by furthering this crock of shit!

Show me one time where Obama said we're in trouble if Hillary doesn't drop out now!

Show me one time where Obama said we can't heal the party because Hillary won't drop out now!


What a fucking crock of shit! Either support Obama or STFU.

[TexasObserver]

17. Hillary has shown she loves to play the victim, and they don't want her pouting.

She's such a brat, and you know how spoiled brats are when they don't get their way!

[hogwyld]

22. It was her turn dammit!

The royal line of succession and all.

[TexasObserver]

27. Indeed. "But I called Shotgun!!"

She has the approach of teenagers fighting over car seating. She really does think she's entitled to the presidency.

[eleny]

18. If the Dems lose - it will be her fault

And it will be over for her having great influence in the Party. She can forget any further runs for national office. I think she knows that. So I'm just taking all this day to day and waiting for Obama and Clinton to make a deal that satisfies them both.

[hogwyld]

21. I'm not really worried about her political future

What I'm terrified of is that she is at least partially responsible for a dem loss in November, and the U.S. as well as the world suffers under a 3rd bush term.

[eleny]

48. She sure cares about her future

And for some time it's been made clear that it's just about all that matters.

[Cali_Democrat]

20. They better step in when the primaries are over or we lose.

[hogwyld]

24. Both US and the world

We lose what's left of our BOR, and the world gets to see a nuclear armageddon up close and personal.

[nomaco-10]

25. Howard Dean will hand her her ass on May 31st.....

She may take it and hit him over the head with it, but it will have served to her nonetheless

[Pisces]

37. I won't hold my breath.

[Overseas]

38. We want Lead Supers to Endorse O before then so she can't appeal.

I want more leading Superdelegates to endorse Obama before that May 31 meeting. That may also help curb her team's destructive comments that just divide the part and hurt our image. Be sure she knows before May 31st that we want to nominate the candidate selected by the majority of our delegates.

[nomaco-10]

43. I do too....

All I can do is e-mail pelosi and dean and tell them how I feel, backed up with numbers and an emotional plea to do something to save this party from the havoc she is reeking.

I think she is a woman on a mission and I don't think she gives a damn what anybody says at this point. Pelosi, Reid, Dean and especially Al Gore, couldn't say a thing to her that would make a difference at this point.

I used to think she was trying to broker a deal to take over as VP, majority leader or even Governor of New York, but I'm not sure anymore. I cannot figure out one hillary clinton anymore. I think the village is burning as we speak and I don't know why somebody in this party isn't putting out the flames.

[DearAbby]

40. Plenty of Nervous Nellie's today...

Obama has the nomination sown up. There is no way Clinton can take it, unless something catastrophic happens. Dean is still holding firm. Sooner or later the Florida/Michigan situation will be resolved.

Clinton is now all bluster, no substance.

[nomaco-10]

44. She is hurting the party....

All the "blustering" she's doing, is doing nothing but alienating people and encouraging them not to vote for the presumptive nominee. She does nothing to squelch the sexist screed that's spreading, she is setting herself up as a victim who got cheated out of the nom and making some voters think that she must be avenged. She is tearing this party apart and yeah, that makes some of us "nervous nellies"

[DearAbby]

45. She is only hurting herself.

The party is as strong as we make it...WE ARE THE CHANGE. WE ARE THE PARTY. It isnt one person. It isnt Clinton, or even Obama...IT's US.

[RBInMaine]

46. CHILL OUT. PLEASE, JUST CHILL OUT. There WON'T be a convention fight. Here's why:

The supers WILL NOT allow this to go to a convention fight. Enough are holding out for that very reason. Right now there are well over 200 supers left. They are waiting out of respect for the election process and the FL and MI compromise to be completed, but once that happens they will GUSH to Obama, ESPECIALLY if Hillary threatens a convention floor fight. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN !! So just RELAX. Let it play out. It'll settle. Quit worrying. The last thing the Clinton's want is for their legacy to be branded as "SPOILERS".

[backscatter712]

47. Then why aren't they acting?

Why don't we have 200+ endorsements today to put this goddamned thing to bed?

That's what they need to do.

But nooooooo, Pelosi sits on her ass on the fucking sidelines. She was too cowardly to impeach Bush. She was too cowardly to stand up the the chimp on issues like the war, and she's too fucking cowardly to put an end to the fucking primary season - she'll sit on her ass until it becomes a fucking convention fight, and we'll be screwed in November.

Fuck her. And fuck Clinton, that damned sociopathic neocon.