What happens if the Florida and Michigan votes are the difference

[CreekDog]

and give Hillary the nomination (extremely hypothetical). just what if, what does it mean?

[Zachstar]

1. Democrats get a stunning defeat in November which is even worse because many seat races lose

McCain gains a LARGE amount of support meaning it will be easier to push supreme court justices that will overturn Roe Vs Wade.

Of course Iran will be invaded.

[FredScuttle]

2. Won't happen

It can't happen....because then, we have no more Democratic Party. We have the Queen Hillary Party

[FSogol]

3. They won't be. See the math here:

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/fl-mi-by-numbers_21.html

[remember2000forever]

4. It Means That All Of The Floridians Who Didn't Vote.........

And Believed That Their Votes Didn't Matter.......Are Disenfranchised.

[SIMPLYB1980]

8. If you didn't vote becasue someone told you it wouldn't count,

then you have no right to be upset. Only people who did their patriotic duty and voted have any right to be upset.

[TahitiNut]

12. So, you condone and support voter suppression?

Fascinating. A "progressive Democrat" endorsing electoral fraud. :puke:

I'd expect to see "patriotic duty" trotted out on FreeRepublic. :puke:

[SIMPLYB1980]

29. Yep PATRIOTIC DUTY.

I believe it is my PATRIOTIC DUTY to vote in every election.

I believe it is my PATRIOTIC DUTY to be against the war in Iraq.

I believe it is my PATRIOTIC DUTY to be for equal rights for everyone including the LBGT community.

I believe it is my PATRIOTIC DUTY to be for higher taxes for the rich, and lower taxes for the middle class and poor.

I believe it is my PATRIOTIC DUTY to condemn bush for his actions.

I believe it is my PATRIOTIC DUTY to count all votes in any election.

There are many liberal activities that I take part in that I consider to be my PATRIOTIC DUTY. If that makes me a freeper to some nut case on DU then I'm glad to be considered one.

[TahitiNut]

31. How about National Service ... in the military, for example?

:eyes:

[SIMPLYB1980]

34. I have great respect for the men and women of our Military.

I come from a military family, and thought about joining after 9/11. My father, who is an army ranger, talked me out of it. He didn't want me to join, and I took his advice. I do however support local military families by playing taps for them at funerals which is the least I can do for their sacrifice. Now as for semantics you say National Service, I say patriotic duty. One reason for this is that I will not allow the publican party to have a lock on who is Patriotic and who is not once the GE starts. I understand that some people take their patriotism past a place where it should go, but that does not mean that patriotism is inherently bad. Patriotism can be a good thing when expressed in a positive way rather than a we are better than the rest of the world way.

[2rth2pwr]

37. Why do you hate America?

[TahitiNut]

40. Typical Cheney/Bush spew from a banana slug.

:puke:

[Clovis Sangrail]

14. the only people they have a right to be upset with

are their local dem politicians

[remember2000forever]

16. TOO BAD WE CAN'T DO A DO-OVER HERE IN FLORIDA.....

That would be a quite interesting result.

[CatsDogsBabies]

17. Wasn't HRC arguing that pledged delegates should switch their

vote to her? This seems like a contradiction to what she is saying now? My impression of her is that she will manipulate anything in order to win the nomination. As an independent, it is shocking to see HRC claiming to be a democrat yet being so negative towards democrats - makes no sense to me.

[frylock]

21. eagles up!

patriotic duty?! :eyes:

[CreekDog]

27. what if Hillary told you it wouldn't count?

[SIMPLYB1980]

30. I would still vote.

[Clovis Sangrail]

5. is that even mathmatically possible? /nt

[Max_powers94]

7. Nope it is not

[MonkeyFunk]

32. sure it's possible

depending on what the superdelegates do.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

6. It means Obama would support her GE run

and hopefully the voters would put her in the White House.

There isn't a heckuva lot of difference between the two. Either is far better than McCain.

But it ain't gonna happen. Obama is the nominee.

[frylock]

22. their differences policy wise may be negligable, but as far as personalities go..

lets just say i wouldn't walk across the street if mcclinton were on fire.

[bowens43]

9. it's not going to happen

[reflection]

10. It means Katie bar the door

because there will be an outcry of epic proportions, followed by a large group of Democratic-leaning voters staying home or casting protest votes. Is it right? Probably not. But there it is, nonetheless. Just my $0.02.

[kennetha]

15. There will be n outcry of epic proportions

If MI and FL are not seated. Count on that.

Once they are seated, then the whole narrative of the campaign changes. Then you HAVE to acknowledge that Hillary's supporters is deeper and broader than Obama's in the states that will carry Dems to victory.

Obama is only getting away with his spin by pretending that FLA and MI don't matter. But they do and they will.

Moreover, once FLa and MI are seated, I expect them to make a HUGE power play. If Obama keeps resisting and being passive aggressive, the FLa and MI delegates will punish him by either unifying behind Hillary to reward her for championing their cause or perhaps abstaining on the first ballot to deny Barack the majority.

THen all hell breaks loose.

[reflection]

18. Disagree.

I have never thought that Obama is "pretending that FL amd MI" don't matter. Rather, he seeks an equitable solution that does not kneecap him unfairly. And that is a perfectly reasonable and defensible position to take.

[kennetha]

20. Obama and his supporters

STOPPED revotes from happening in Florida and Michigan. Because they KNEW what they outcome would be. And they KNEW it would spell the end of his campaign.

They purposively played a passive-aggressive game to hold on to the nomination by any means necessary. They are manipulating pretenders devoid of principle. They do not deserve to hijack this party by their nefarious schemes!

[frylock]

23. post a legit source for that or quit your bullshit..

Obama did not STOP revotes in FL, and you fucking know that. FYI, if a revote were to take place in Cali today, mcclinton loses. I would suspect a lot of people in MI and FL who cast a vote for her may just rethink that vote in light of her rovian campaign tactics.

[reflection]

24. Negative.

Regarding Florida, Terry McAullife said on 3/7:

"Well, what we have said is that these folks have already voted. I mean, people talk about a revote. But there is no appetite in Florida or Michigan by the state legislatures. I mean, there's no money. Who is going to pay the tens of millions of dollars to do this?

I've been informed that the Florida legislature, under no circumstances, would pay to have the Democrats redo it. So I agree with what has been said. The governors of both states have kept saying that the state parties in these two states need to work with the national party and come to some resolution of this matter. We just can't leave 2.3 million voters, 1.75 million in Florida, and over 600,000 in Michigan, who went in and voted. They've already voted. And we just need to count the votes....

They've already voted. No reason they have to go back and vote again... I’m saying that the state parties in those states need to work with the national party and figure out how we count the votes that have already been voted."

Regarding Michigan, my understanding is that the Clinton camp always opposed Michigan's own backup plan a (wonderful tradition of a) caucus. It is true that Obama resisted a full-blown revote, because some of his supporters there, understanding he was not to be on the ballot, instead chose to get GOP ballots and do a little O:C themselves, since they had no dog in the hunt.

http://the-v-effect.blogspot.com/2008/03/clinton-campaign-lies-about-michigan.html

[reflection]

39. (crickets) n/t

[splat]

11. We win in November, Obama can tell his VP pick he's sorry

[cali]

13. what if an asteroid strikes your house?

sorry, this is just stupid. Obama would not be making arrangements to assume power at the DNC with the DNC if there were any chance of the RBC doing something like that. Not that it would change the outcome anyway.

[DanTex]

19. It means that hell has frozen over and pigs are flying out of my ass.

[Redbear]

25. Superdelegates will decide the nomination

Florida and Michigan only allow Clinton to draw closer and improve her argument to the superdelegates.

[RaleighNCDUer]

26. It will mean that the Green party will suddenly become viable.

And the Democratic party will go on suicide watch.

[slackmaster]

28. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that the process is democratic

It's not.

[2rth2pwr]

33. That means she wins it fair and square, the attempt at repressing the people's voice

in MI and FL will go down as one of the worst chapters in Dem history.

[MarjorieG]

35. MI possible; FL always iffy against McCain with Crist, Jewish vote lies and veterans.

Obama has the best positions and real credibility on both those issues, but Koch/Lieberman pro McCain, etc make it a fight.

We can't count on Hillary to be helpful. She is going to take her sisters with her and pout. (I'm a sixties woman and fed up with her.)

[redstate_democrat]

36. It means I leave the Democratic party for good,

[Ganja Ninja]

38. It will likely mean a poor turnout for blacks and young Obama ...

supporters on election day. If they feel that Obama was unfairly treated by the Democrats they probably will turn cynical and not bother voting. So we'll lose not only their votes for President but for all offices on the ballot.