Its not about a fight at the Convention, its about not having a Nominee until the Convention

[LSK]

We will be spotting McSame a 3 month head start on top of the head start he already has.

We will have 3 more months of open hostility between Obama and Hillary supporters instead of 3 months of bringing those factions together. Once a candidate is known there will be bad blood from the losing candidate supporters and they will need time to heal and support the eventual nominee. Do you want this process starting in June or late August???

We are on the verge of going through most of the summer of Obama vs Clinton vs McSame. 3 more months of fundraising to defeat a fellow Democrat instead of defeating a Republican.

September and October to defeat McSame instead of June, July, August, September and October to defeat McSame.

Do we really need to have 3 more months of Democrats tearing down Democrats?

Fear of a convention fight is there, but the bigger danger is not having a nominee until then and having 3 months wasted when it could be used to heal the party and fight McSame.

[MNDemNY]

1. Then both Obama and Clinton should drop out, so we can nominate a "generic Democrat" that could win

[spinbaby]

2. We could nominate anyone

Seriously, a turnip could win against McCain.

[MNDemNY]

4. Maybe a turnip, but probably not Obama or Clinton.

[LSK]

7. especially when there are 3 more months of hate spewed on both of them

By each others supporters

[MNDemNY]

8. Gore/Edwards '08

[LSK]

10. ahhh, so piss off 90% of the dems instead of 50% of the dems?

My 1st choice was Edwards and I love Gore. But people have worked their guts out for Clinton and Obama and dropping both of them will piss off A LOT of people.

[MNDemNY]

12. More like 25%.

Most(excluding the zealots here on DU) would welcome it.

[LSK]

15. come on MNDemNY, think a little

A lot of people have invested a lot of time in both candidates (not DUers only) and to suddenly have their candidate dropped for someone who has done no campaigning or work during the primary (meaning Gore), you will piss off a LOT of people.

Thousands of people have phone banked, canvassed, donated to both Obama and Hillary and you cant just throw that under the bus.

Think about it.

[MNDemNY]

20. You'd rather ride the "High Horse" to defeat???

Sorry too much at stake to cry about someones "feelings being hurt".

[LSK]

24. no, Id rather ride the candidate who won most of the primaries and delegates

Instead of the candidate who didn't even bother to enter any of them.

And a funny thing about hurt feelings, they have ramifications.

[MNDemNY]

27. Running either Clinton or Obama, also has "ramifications":President McCain, or worse.

[emilyg]

75. Good points.

[LSK]

3. how about we finish the primaries and go with the winner???

:shrug:

[MNDemNY]

6. No winner 'till the delegates vote.

[LSK]

9. why?

Most are committed and the pledged delegates will be decided by then.

[MNDemNY]

11. Delagates can and do change thier minds.

[LSK]

13. so because of the off chance that a few delegates change their minds

We give McSame a 3 month head start?

[MNDemNY]

14. If that's what it takes to get a nominee that can win, yes.

[Renew Deal]

16. What if it takes until December?

:shrug:

[MNDemNY]

19. Convention over well before that.

[LSK]

18. how will 3 more months of infighting get us a candidate who can win?

[MNDemNY]

22. If we run either, and or both of these folks, IMHO we lose.

[LSK]

your logic? heres mine...

[MNDemNY]

29. Goody, we have a lock on Oregon.

That will put us over the top, fer sure.

[LSK]

30. go look at that again AND wheres your reasons?

[MNDemNY]

34. Well, gee, pack up the babies and grab the old ladies

everyone go!

[LSK]

36. you going to answer the question??????????

[MNDemNY]

38. Neither Clinton or Obama can get enough votes to win the GE.

Low info voters are the swing voters. It sucks, but it's the electoral landscape in which we must play.

[LSK]

40. in case you havnt been paying attention, every Dem primary has had record turnout

Whatever "low info" voters are, there are not many. In addition, how would changing to Gore or Edwards make these voters suddenly vote for a Dem?

[MNDemNY]

42. Democratic Primary voters are a pretty solid bloc for a Dem in the GE,

it's the rest of the voters, a vastly larger number, that we must contend with.

[RainDog]

46. Among whom Hillary has a 50% plus negative rating

and by continuing this farce, if she steals the primary, the democrats will face a formidable third party opposition among greens, while Hillary gets NONE of the Independent vote.

[MNDemNY]

50. I have never argued for a Clinton nomination, that as well, IMHO, is fatal.

[LSK]

49. and how does Gore attacked independents more than Obama or anyone else?

[MNDemNY]

52. It's a ballroom blitz!!!!!!!!!!!

[LSK]

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Care to make sense?

[MNDemNY]

58. Hype, excitement, little time to falter...it's marketing.

It might just work.

[RainDog]

44. wrong. Obama draws from Independents and highly-educated Republicans

those swing voters are not low info. Obama has overwhelming support among those groups.

Obama leads among ALL groups of Democratic voters except for females over 50. In other words, there is NO 50/50 split. This is in the Hillary's camp's imagination.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6075907

[MNDemNY]

45. You speak of "democratic" voters, on;ly about 25% of the GE voters.

[LSK]

47. even less are primary voters - BUT NOT THIS YEAR

[RainDog]

48. Go read the post. Obama draws highly-educated Republicans and Independents

those are not democrats, last time I checked.

[MNDemNY]

53. Numbers there do not over-ride the, I hate the term, joe six-pack.

[SoonerPride]

71. Gas prices do.

Joe six pack won't be able to BUY his six pack for putting gas in his pickup truck.

He'll toss the repukes out of office so fast it'll make your head spin.

[RainDog]

74. how do you know? what actual figures support your claim? you have none.

just to state your opinion isn't enough. what empirical data do you have to make your claim anything more than a Hillary talking point?

[MNDemNY]

76. count them, take your shoes off if you have to.

[RainDog]

77. in other words, you have NOTHING to support your claim.

what a joke... and then you try to insult me because you are full of hot air?

[MNDemNY]

78. Nothing that can contradict the kool-aid.

[RainDog]

80. the only argument you have is insults. I have data from well-respected orgs.

what a joke. what a waste of band width. you have NOTHING to back up your claim except your wish to make it so.

maybe I should call you Tinkerbell.

[MNDemNY]

81. Your well respected orgs just don't add up..even using hillary-math.

Wrong numbers... off point.

[newmajority]

73. Neil? Is that you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCgeWUKcumA

[cali]

5. we will have an official presumptive nominee within 2 weeks.

She's not going to take it to the convention. Of course she says she will. She's trying to raise money. She's angry. She's disappointed. She feels it was unfair. But if she stays on after he's got "the number", her delegates will stream away from her.

[MNDemNY]

17. Key word ...presumptive.

I only give McOld a 60-70% chance of being the Republofuck nominee.

[SoonerPride]

21. And I give Obama a 100% of being our nominee.

Time to move on.

Hillary is finished.

[MNDemNY]

23. Hello President McCain.(or maybe bush)

[LSK]

25. why?

[SoonerPride]

28. Spoiled child syndrome

Easily treated with a timeout.

[MNDemNY]

31. Obama can't win, Clinton can't win, Obama/Clinton only 50-50

[LSK]

33. AGAIN why cant Obama win?

[MNDemNY]

35. Because he will not get enough votes, basically.

[LSK]

37. for WHAT REASON?

[MNDemNY]

39. see post 38.

[SoonerPride]

26. So sad to be delusional. There are meds that can help you.

Seek treatment.

[MNDemNY]

32. Typical response from your ilk.

[SoonerPride]

43. Back up your nonsense with facts, then.

Why can't Obama win?

[MNDemNY]

54. Can't win the largest voting block out there: Middle-low income whites.

My opinion, I've always stated it as such.

[SoonerPride]

59. When gas is $4.50 in November ANY Dem will win 42 states.

It's the economy stupid.

Redux.

[MNDemNY]

61. We wish.

[SoonerPride]

63. I have faith that when the voters see their standard of living decrease

The party in power gets tossed out.

That cycle has always been the case and it wouldn't matter if Obama were green with purple stripes, economic concerns trump all else.

Bush / McSame economic policies are failures.

The people will swarm to back CHANGE and that means we win and win big.

[MNDemNY]

65. Blind faith........the edge of doom.

[SoonerPride]

66. Not blind faith, just political reality. You should stop living in fear. It's unhealthy.

Obama will win and win big.

[MNDemNY]

67. No one will win "big"

[SoonerPride]

68. Obama will. 42 states. Blowout of Reagan sized proportions.

Landslide.

Hide and watch.

[MNDemNY]

69. It would be nice if only DUers voted, wouldn't it?

But, alas, this is not so.

[SoonerPride]

70. Millions of Americans vote and mostly they vote with their wallet

The war is a big concern, but not number one.
Abortion? Not so much.
Gay marriage. pffft. Been there, done that.

The economy, the economy, the economy.

Gas prices, food prices, home heating prices, mortgages crises, a general fear and malaise will drive voters to the polls in droves and they will vote for the Democratic option because the Republican fucked it up once again.

That's reality.

[MNDemNY]

72. You mean like they did in 2004????Or 2000?...or 1980?

[thoughtcrime1984]

79. IN APPALACHIA, elsewhere not a problem. nt

[Cronus Protagonist]

41. You could give him a year's head start spouting the same old failed Bush policies

It won't help them one iota in November.

[LSK]

51. yes but we have a large block of Dems who will not vote for our nominee

or saying they will vote for McSame if their candidate does not win.

[Cronus Protagonist]

55. Come the election, this will change

It will be a landslide Democratic.

[MNDemNY]

56. Those poll numbers are largely suspect, IMHO.

[SoonerPride]

60. They'll calm down.

[MNDemNY]

62. Yes, the VAST majority of Dem. Primary voters will support the Nominee.

It's the rest of the voters to be concerned about.

[SoonerPride]

64. Those defectors will be overwhelmed by newly registered voters.

Net gain for Dems.