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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:16 PM
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"Kos" before the Kool-Aid
I understand Kos is often cited here...

"What's more, Clinton was the only top-tier candidate to refuse the ultimate Iowa and New Hampshire pander by removing her name from the Michigan ballot. That makes her essentially the de facto winner since Edwards and Obama, caving to the cry babies in Iowa and New Hampshire, took their name off Michigan's ballot. Sure, the DNC has stripped Michigan of its delegates, but that won't last through the convention. The last thing Democrats can afford is to alienate swing states like Michigan and Florida by refusing to seat their delegates.

So while Obama and Edwards kneecap their chances of winning, Clinton is single-mindedly focused on the goal."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/2/12427/74720/978/429207
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:18 PM
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1. I don't agree with the writer of this article. nt
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:22 PM
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3. The writer is KOS, and there is more ...
"Who is tested against the Right Wing smear machine?

Clinton, by far. No one has taken more shit from the VRWC, not by a long shot. Edwards earned valuable campaign experience in 2004. It makes me wonder why he'd go through it all again a second time, but still, it's something. Obama has never had a competitive race against a Republican. His best experiences comes from winning primaries. But he's never been in the crossfires of the GOP. Maybe that's why he can pretend that he can move beyond partisanship. Because he's never had to run a partisan race."


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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:46 PM
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7. I don't really care at all what Kos thinks
But he's got it right here.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:20 PM
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2. Let me guess: That article wasn't written by Terry "The rules are the rules" McAuliffe.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/25/165935/668

"Carl, take it to the bank," I said. "They will not get a credential. The closest they'll get to Boston will be watching it on television. I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules. If you want to call my bluff, Carl, you go ahead and do it."

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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:26 PM
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4. So? That was back when he couldn't decide who to endorse.
Not that I care very much about blogger endorsements anyway. Congressional or local endorsements mean a bit more to me since those people have some personal experience of the candidates, though that's raely the only factor in an endorsement.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:33 PM
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5. He didn't endorse her btw. And that was way before she got in the racially divisive muck
She's ruined her chances of running as a Democrat in the future.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 12:42 PM
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6. The whole article is worth a read. I found this:
~Hillary Clinton, by far. She's not limiting her campaign's ability to raise money (nor her supporters' to give it) by accepting public financing. Obama has opted out for the primary, but has said he'd accept it for the general if the Republican did so as well. Why give Republicans veto power over what the Democrats do? Given our better ability to raise money this cycle, why would Obama willingly surrender that advantage to the Republicans? That's not playing to win. Edwards is the opposite, saying he could opt out of public financing for the general, but already opted in for the primary. That means that unless he's opposite a similarly limited Republican (i.e. McCain), he'll be at a gross disadvantage all summer as he has less than $20 million left to spend until September.~


Unfortunately, there are several documented cases of Obama saying that he would accept public financing for the GE if McCain did. I do not think Obama intends to stick to this, but it's going to look really bad if he doesn't. The latest claim I read was that Obama's camp is now insisting that donations from individuals comprise public financing! One of his huge advantages over Clinton has been his spending power.

I actually support public financing of elections, but since Edwards tanked in the primaries (partly becuause of this) and because one of Obama's main advantages has been his ability to raise record amounts of money, it's going to be an enormous problem for him if he appears to be hypocritical on this issue.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:49 PM
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8. THOSE WERE THE DAYS!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVm-AsGUP_I

Thankfully some of us can learn and grow.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 02:52 PM
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9. His impression is formed largely by her 'willingness to win'
as we all were. It turns out that all the preseason positioning was like the adulation that is shown on the aging all star team that seems to be undefeatable before the game when they are warming up and then gets their asses handed to them in 4 straight quarters by a bunch of rookies. By the end of the fourth quarter no one remembers the pregame preening.

What this article shows is how really smart the Obama team is and how finely tuned to the real electorate they are. They also have the courage to follow their strategy and go to places like Idaho when everyone else was laughing at them. Who is laughing now?
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