Hillary Clinton should NOT be Obama's VP. Please rec if you agree!

[nomorewhopper]

Hillary has ran a divisive, combative campaign that is based entirely in politics and not on reality.

Her inclusion on the ticket would:

* ignite conservatives like nothing else
* continue the discussion of "why isn't obama qualified to be president" and would make Obama and Hillary look like flip floppers
* represent the exact opposite of everything that obama stands for...being strong-armed due to political pressure to have his biggest enemy on the ticket

I'm sure there's a million other reasons that Hillary should not be on the ticket. She has run a racially charged, despicable campaign and I am still flabbergasted that she is still in the race. It's very rare to witness a candidate who is willing to embarrass themselves in this way. In my mind, Hillary has irrevocably damaged her reputation during this race, and she must not be our VP.

[tokenlib]

1. Can we beat 770 recs?

The thread from yesterday on this reached 770 recommendations before the 24 hour recommending period expired. So let's go and support Obama's freedom to choose his own VP.

[Qutzupalotl]

2. Fortunately, Obama already said NO.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6074987

[Bette Noir]

9. I watched 3 hours of MSNBC

tonight, much of which was devoted to discussion of whom would make good VP candidates. Since none of the panelists mentioned this, I can only assume it was an unfounded rumor. Darn.

[gateley]

3. Your first point is the most important, IMO

Our objective is to get a Dem in the WH. Hillary on the ticket would galvanize the large number of anti-Hillary republicans to come out and vote AGAINST our ticket -- maybe those who otherwise would have just stayed home because of their unhappiness with McCain.

[polpilot]

12. This is the ONLY point. Obama can't win with Hillary on the ticket. Can't...won't..

[skipos]

4. We already did this. nt

[cali]

5. that's up to Obama.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

6. Please recommend if you'd like to see the waterskiing squirrel give you an award!

[GodlessBiker]

7. Please. No Driving Miss Daisy tickets (which is how she will view it).

[budedis]

8. I don't think they should be running mates.

Mainly for the first reason you give.

But Clinton could be an excellent "hit woman" VP candidate. Unleashed her to attack McCain and his veep (Huckabee?) and the troops of Rovian Swift-boaters that will crawl out of their caves to bash Obama.

[polpilot]

14. They can't be playmates...they certainly can't be running mates.

Think of Michelle. Do you think she wants Bill around all the time. Shit no.

[budedis]

36. I love Michelle.

And I love Bill.
But Michelle and Barack are mates. And Hillary and Bill and ... (many others) are mates.

And I think we agree that they should not mix.
There should not be an Obama/Clinton ticket or a Clinton/Obama ticket.

[rainy]

10. K and R

[Jivenwail]

11. No More Clinton's

Sorry but I do not want Hillary as VP. Her primary campaign has significantly altered forever the way that I view the Clinton's and she has done nothing to deserve that position (much less the Presidency) whatsoever. I read a post here a while back where the poster stated that for almost her entire adult life there had been a Bush or Clinton in the WH and she didn't want her young daughter to grow up under that either. There is no entitlement to the WH. There is nothing I want less than the Clinton's lurking around the WH having a say in an Obama presidency. I agree that the choice his Obama's to make but I would think that he and his team are smart enough to know that with a Clinton VP will come tremendous baggage that he can't afford to have hanging around his presidency. This man represents change and hope and the Clinton's (both of them) do not. 'nuff said.

[invictus]

13. K & R

[murbley40]

15. This is one of the few times I agree with Obama's supporters!

Hillary should absolutely not be on the ticket as Obama's VP!! That would be upside down.
She is way overqualified to be the VP of a way too inexperienced candidate.

[Jemmons]

20. You dont get the top job by collecting points as first lady and

senator. You get the nomination by representing a majority of delegates chosen according to the party rules and you get the presidency by representing a majority of the electoral votes after the general election. By this standard HRC is not even qualified for the nomination and endless whining will not change that.

Perhaps its a smart move for Obama to get Clinton onboard in some way, but its also a risky one: She might fancy a 2012 run and so far she has not shown much interest in letting party interest come before her personal interests. In my view HRC has put herself in a situation where Obama could see a clear interest in reducing her role as much as possible and go for the GE without her "help". With each week the urgency for "finishing her off" grows, and I think she would do well to give up the game fairly soon.

[indimuse]

16. How can a President...be a VP as well..

very creative! They need us. Too late! Too much damage. No Votes. NoBama. EVER!

[ExPatLeftist]

21. Hey, in Delusionland, anything is possible.

Seems like you are living there now, so you should know that.

[EnviroBat]

17. I recently purged my ignore list but a certain asshole,

indimuse, just made it back on there... Back to the subject of the post, no more Clintons, EVER! Liars and back-door deal makers no longer have a place in the Whitehouse.

[invictus]

18. Kick!

[basdif88]

19. Barack doesn't need Bill hanging around

I agree completely. I saw the CNN story today about how the Clinton and Obama campaigns are supposedly having talks about putting her on the ticket, and it really gave me the chills. The longer this drags on, the longer she makes these delusional arguments comparing seating FL & MI to the civil rights movement the more she's exposed as a shameless egomaniac. It's all about the Clintons, and they're trying to steamroll Obama when they haven't earned the clout to do so. Don't give in, Barack! You can be polite about it, but be firm and keep Hillary off the ticket!

[CoffeeCat]

22. Bill Clinton is like an out-of-control stage dad!

...but she EARNED it!! She DESERVES it!! Just
look at her! She's perfect for the part!!! Why?? Why
can't you see her talent!!!

It's official, Bill Clinton has morphed into the likes of a lunatic stage dad who is
enraged because his little girl didn't get the part in the Juicy Juicy
commercial.

[Sequoia]

26. You got that right.

[Faryn Balyncd]

27. Is Bill Clinton working to become the Lynne Spears of the Democratic Party?

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/20/lynnespears_narrowweb__300x527,0.jpg

[meow mix]

23. K&R

[seafan]

24. She has shown a lack of basic respect for Obama, the voters and the democratic process.

And she will never be able to take that back. It is history now.


It would be a grave error to include her on Obama's ticket.


I sincerely hope that wise heads prevail on this matter.

[nomorewhopper]

25. BAGGAGE - a list (plus a video!)

http://blogs.chron.com/nickanderson/archives/2006/10/hillarys_baggag.html

so far, i don't believe i've heard obama mention a single one of these issues. i know that the republicans won't be so quiet....

Whitewater
Monica
Wal-Mart
Presidential Pardons
Rose Law
Vince Foster's Death
$100 Million
Paula
Travel Office Firings
IWR Vote
It Takes a Village
The Impeachment

[mcollier]

30. Obama will make the right decision

We can trust his judgment.

[Mark D.]

28. Obama / Webb 2008

Webb as VP would help us win Virginia and possibly other states.
Webb is the most decorated Vet he could choose for the job aside
from Wesley Clark - who'd make a better Defense Secretary vs. VP.

Why? Webb is younger, and could run in 8 years for prez and win,
and with his short time in the Senate, he will be a 'change' and
'outside of the typical beltway politician' choice. They both can
say: "We're new, we bring new things to Washington", and they do.

John Edwards, Attorney General. Bill Clinton, secretary of state if
he wants it. Hillary can get her kicks suggesting stuff to Bill that
way and can become majority leader, like her or not, she's more of a
liberal than Reid and will fight harder against the GOP in the Senate.

Secretary of the Interior - Al Gore. Now there's a winning group there.
Obama is the most liberal Senator in one study. Webb being a blue dog,
more concerned with saving a country vs. smaller issues that've given
the Democrats a reputation of being out of touch with the little guy.

Good balance. Hillary gets a powerful position of leadership out of it.
Bill gets back to work for some good. And Democrats have a fighter in
Webb that won't take it easy on Liarman or Huckabee (the likely VPs I
think McCain will choose). He'll show again we are for the little guy.

The hard working forgotten middle class. He's an alternative version
of Obama. Even right wing friends I know admire Webb's style and the
old fashioned (but not right wing corporate, which isn't old fashion
at all but neo-con corporate liberal) way he presents things in clear
and in well educated way. Like Obama-only different. We need that.

[But....]

33. I like...

the way you think!:bounce: Webb maybe the perfect choice. Although I'm don't think Bill needs any job now(must be some one else for state.)

[cloudythescribbler]

29. Why do this AGAIN?... HOWEVER, sending out the URL of the 770 rec thread (see below) might help ...

see the following URL to get

(a) the 770 rec URL
and
(b) an outline of how that URL can be effectively used by scores of DUers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6088435

plz keep this and/or the other thread above kicked!

[quaker88]

31. K & R

[swilton]

32. I will not vote for OBAMA with Clinton on the ticket

This Democratic primary has been both racist as well as sexist. But as far as I'm concerned, they have both canceled each other out.

But more to the subject of this thread. Clinton should not be on the Obama ticket because she has proven she is not electable. 1. First of all, she alienated her base with her support for the Iraq War, and her failure to apologize for that vote, unlike Senator Edward. 2. She is polarizing and the fact that her candidacy was foisted upon the Democratic Party despite the strong negativity within and outside her own party, validates the notion that this is a top-down vice popular election and or it is about dynasties rather than what is best for this country. 3. Despite all the advantages she was given at the beginning of the campaign (from CNN, and the rest of MSM as being the inevitable candidate) she still blew the campaign - a reflection of her own management as well as those with whom she surronds herself, to include Carville and Stephanopolus. 4. If she takes the running-mate slot with Obama, it aggravates the already negative perceptions of her management style as well as her arragant character flaws.

What doesn't Clinton understand about WE DON'T WANT YOU!!!

Bring back Al Gore!

[eilen]

34. Let Al Gore be, he isn't interested.

Hillary as VP choice? she's straight off her nut now and should be on some quiet tropical island sipping umbrella drinks and convalescing from her mental breakdown.

this is a woman who is quoting Karl Rove for validation. Good God. She forgets about being for something, then being against it then being for it--hell, I think it's making the women following her dizzy since they can't for the life of them remember anything but the boilerplate talking points day to day--even when they contradict themselves.

Would you want a war mongering, lying, cheating, spendthrift, welcher, fall to the lowest denominator, race and class baiting victim who carries 165 pounds of red bulbous finger-waving bloviating chip on her shoulder as your running mate? There's a canyon of crap that no one has called them on yet in this campaign because frankly, Obama has too much class and doesn't want to blow these things up because the shrapnal may harm the party.

The Clintons suck all the oxygen out of the room.

[JDPriestly]

35. Kennedy/Johnson all over. That's what it would be.

Extremist conservatives (not Hillary herself) could not be trusted in such a situation. This would be perilous for the nation.

Obama has to have the courage to make his own decision and choose his own vice president.

A couple of months ago, I advocated for an Obama/Clinton ticket. By insisting on staying in the race, Hillary has lost her opportunity to run with Obama. It would be absolutely unbelievable for her to accept the vice presidency now. Obama, of course, probably should offer it to her.

Hillary has said too many harsh things. She has burned too many bridges with the Obama camp to be able to run with Obama. She has played an all or nothing game and can't turn back now. She is stuck.