Rec this thread if you REALIZE that the war on HRC supporters in GD:P is UGLY.

[LibraLiz1973]

You people who are attacking Hillary supporters and making up lies in order to attack her more are pathetic.
If THIS is what you need to do to get your candidate elected, makes me think he isn't as electable as you say.

Your froth-at-the-mouth craziness takes us back to Bush supporters in 2000.
DESTROY EVERYONE was their mantra- and many of you seem to have borrowed it.

I think Barack Obama would be ASHAMED of what you are doing in his name.
Don't think for a second he would condone this BULLSHIT.

[LostinVA]

1. I think it's absolutely disgusting

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[LostinVA]

15. Last time I checked, saying "Fuck you" to another DU member was against the rules

[emilyg]

22. You must be one of those educated O supporters.

[kid a]

13. I agree with you totally!! Hillary has not yet even apologized to Obama! disgusting

LostinVA!!

There is still hope for you, after all!
You see the disgusting remark about assassination and call Hillary out on it..
THANK YOU 100 times!!!

:hi:

[LibraLiz1973]

16. WHY would Hillary APOLOGIZE for Senator Obama for that??

Seriously, am I sniffing glue?

[roguevalley]

40. you are sad. you are a tool. if he dies, what then? You will defend

anything that sack of crap does. good luck with your conscience. and these pity parties? they are sad too.

[LibraLiz1973]

45. He's NOT GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCKING STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!

[Medusa]

55. Oh, so the Hill fans are psychic now too. Not only can they read

Hillary's minds they can also tell us what is going to happen next. I guess they must not be reading their tea leaves carefully: the race is over for her and for you. End-of-the-line sister. And I for one will not shed a tear when the door hits her in the ass. Reality's a bitch.

[odelisk8]

143. NOOOOOO

he's not going to die...I mean, political assassination and racism don't EXIST in this country...typical salon-liberal horsecr*p...if hillary is too DUMB to know what would happen from saying this than she is too DUMB to be president...

period.

I can't believe people are actually DEFENDING this! Well, you know, Hillary has to stay in, I mean, WHAT IF THE FIRST BLACK CANDIDATE TO THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WERE ASSASSINATED!?

You know, maybe she's right. What if someone were to take a shot at Hillary? I mean, what if someone were to put a BULLET in her SKULL and KILL HER? I think we need to think about that. I guess Edwards should jump back in. And what about Edwards? Well, bring back Dodd...no need to worry about anyone shooting him...I mean, who would want to kill Chris Dodd? Hillary, well sure, that's believable...

Pure idiocy.

[JoFerret]

57. Your attitude is

very silly.
(putting it extremely mildly)

[JoFerret]

157. Gosh. Your fantasy life is alive and well

Stop dwelling on fauxtrage death porn.

[bluerum]

176. sack-o-crap?! Nice.

[LostinVA]

17. *yawn*

This place is like Lord of the Flies on acid. It's sad really, because I always liked DU.

[LibraLiz1973]

23. I swear- it's UN-FUCKIN-BELIEVABLE.

Why are Skinner & Co. letting them get away with this?
I'm series?!!!..!!

[LostinVA]

25. I have no clue, but I fear DU will never recover

[LibraLiz1973]

31. I stay away for days at a time and come back thinking... maybe, this time.

And it's fucking worse.

[Medusa]

56. Only because your candidate keeps saying shitty things

that she should, but refuses, to apologize for.

[JVS]

106. That's because her candidate is shitty

[LibraLiz1973]

111. Hillary is not my candidate. I was an Edwards supporter

and like my sig says, I will vote for WHOEVER is the nominee in Nov.
Obviously that is going to be Barack- so I'll be voting for him.

[jjr5]

142. Can you please stop swearing?

I'm starting to think that what Hillary Clinton is saying about her "uneducated," white, working-class voters is true.

[madmom]

149. What about the Obama supporters down thread? Is their swearing ok because they are

SUPPOSED to be educated? If the kind of talk upsets you, you probably won't be here long.

[jjr5]

165. Well, maybe I can ask the same question of those

who would pose this question to me: is this kind of language appropriate or pleasant to read? Here's my answer, at least: no, it isn't. I wasn't trying to introduce a double standard, but the person to whom I replied used obscenities in almost every post to up to that point. She did kind of sound uneducated.

[madmom]

178. Since when did swearing become something attributed to education level? I've....

seen/heard extreme profanity come from mouths of all walks of life. Remember the old adage "ignore it, it will go away" that's a whole lot better than trying to change someone to your idea of what is appropriate or pleasant. If some one wants to swear, that's their prerogative, if you don't want to hear/read it that's your prerogative, but to tell some one not to do it because you find it unpleasant, not so much!

[jjr5]

183. I'm not even going to argue this issue

I don't like swearing, its grating and makes people look idiotic, especially when they are trying not to look idiotic when they're saying it. Of all times, use proper English!

[madmom]

184. Well I guess I don't judge people because of their grammar, there's far more important things

to look at.

[Seabiscuit]

119. Indeed, DU has been irreparably damaged by the lunatic fringe which has taken over

they asylum, all with the blessings of the admin and mods.

It will never be the same and its rep will never recover from this permanent tarnishing.

[DrBlix]

126. We're talking assasination here

Assasination of one of our own like Hillary or not she is after all a dem. Save your hatred and steam for the real enemy 100 years war ole man McCain. I'm an Edwards voter and the dem that gets the nomination I will vote for but you have joined in the MEDIA assasination of Hillary's character. Like her or not you must admit they are tearing her to pieces.
.
Why is that do you think?
.
I'll tell you why. From the begining the reps. have feared Hillary and set out to demoralize her at every turn. For some strange reason they think they can beat Obama and prefer him to fighting Hillary.
.
They may be right with of course the help of the Media but my bets are on a dem winning, the reps have gone to far in destroying this country and people have had just about enough.
.
STOP attacking and eating your own don't help the media defeat the dems.....

[JoFerret]

160. So dwelling in the land of fauxtrage porn

Stop thinking and feeling what the media want you think and feel.
Stop getting that thrill up your leg that comes with self-righteousness.

[Seabiscuit]

174. Are you talking to me?

I'm not attacking Hillary. I'm talking about the lunatic fringe at DU that is leveling all their ugly attacks at Hillary.

[jjr5]

146. I agree that things have gotten a little ugly here,

but Clinton has supplied her own ammunition. No one would want to say anything against a fellow democrat, but the things that SHE has been saying and doing are inexcusable. Notice, that people only say bad things about things she has actually done, things Hillary has said herself - from her own mouth.

Also notice how there is no Obama bashing at DU really - because he hasn't said anything offensive.

Clinton is bashing her own image, and although people are vicious, I think it is only because they are surprised by what she is saying.

[eagertolearn]

163. Hey- Right on the mark. I keep asking for the list of things that make Obama

such a terrible person but no one responds. Hillary Clinton has been sinking herself and it is sad to see her scratching at the air. Actually if she had just stayed clean without the smears to Obama I think she would have done a lot better. Her campaign management was bad and got her going in the wrong direction. I really thought she could have been a very good president but we are so tired of our current administrations lies that when she started her insinuations and lies she lost many of us.

[jjr5]

169. Exactly.

It's sad, but oh so true.

[sallyseven]

173. You are right. I go over to Political discussion not

Primaries. The are a lot saner. I think the Freepers took over this discussion venue. It is vile.

[Carolina]

97. you mean serious?!!!..!!

BTW, it's called free speech and you Shrillbots, like your feckless leader, want to shut it down. How Bushy of you.

Thank God the mods are true progressives.

[Seabiscuit]

118. All I can imagine

is that they're all pro-Obama.

At least Skinner himself mentioned he was in a thread he started.

[odelisk8]

145. Because

defending this is absurd. That's why.

[BlueStater]

48. Perfect comparison

I couldn't have phrased it better. These guys are completly oblivious to how insane they sound.

[DLnyc]

60. Best comment ever.

Meanwhile, Obama gave a very interesting speech on the Americas today. Anyone catch it?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x136736

(But it's 32:17, which is about 32:16 longer than the typical attention span around here.)

[DemVet]

96. Apologize to Obama? There is no need to.

[Carolina]

94. Hillary evokes disgust because she

is disgusting

[LostinVA]

124. Another breathtaking message of unity

:puke:

[tekisui]

2. Obama is proabably ashamed that Hillary would say she is still in it

and reference a June assassination.

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[AllentownJake]

4. Shame on us

Blah Blah Blah

Shame on you for defending her today.

[Occam Bandage]

5. Crying the victim because your candidate stuck her foot in her mouth up to her kneecap?

[LibraLiz1973]

26. Umm, if she was my candidate, I would be a lot more pissed off than I am.

As a member of DU, I am most angry to see how you bullies have chased other valuable members of this community away with your vile bullshit & I am saying something about it.

[Occam Bandage]

34. If you see only one side acting up, you're in the other camp, whether you claim to be or not.

Goes for whoever you think is wrong.

[Jed Dilligan]

7. Um

It isn't what Obama needs to win. He already won.

It's a visceral reaction against things she does and the people who defend them.

There is no war, no conspiracy. Hillary and her supporters bring it on themselves.

[skooooo]

8. not getting many recs??

[LibraLiz1973]

20. LOL- Of course not.

Don't think for a minute I didn't already know that going in.
The Hillary supporters here have mostly been chased away- I'm actually surprised
that there isn't a MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner at the top of the GDP page.

Pathetic.

[LWolf]

185. Nope. Only 122.

:rofl:

[Renaissance Man]

9. Give me a fuckin' break!

DESTROY EVERYONE was their mantra- and many of you seem to have borrowed it. I think Barack Obama would be ASHAMED of what you are doing in his name.

Yeah, he would be offended that we would be incensed that someone would even mention the assassination of Robert Kennedy and alluding to that as the reason why she's still campaigning against him in the same sentence.

Yeah, he would be offended that she would piss us off by making these statements on the same week as his frickin' BROTHER just was diagnosed with a potentially fatal brain tumor.

Pull your head out of your ass. The fact that YOU'RE OFFENDED by Obama's supporters and not by statements made by Hillary is laughable.

[LibraLiz1973]

29. I'd be offended if what your trying to say Hillary said was at all accurate.

But, it isn't.

[Adelante]

10. Clinton supporters are just as UGLY

They just never admit it.

[Arkansas Granny]

33. Please provide something to back up that accusation. I've been in GD-P on a regular

basis for the last few months and I have yet to see anyone call Obama any of the offensive names that have been used daily against Clinton and her supporters. You feel that any criticism of your candidate is serious bashing and unfair, but you consider the filth and lies that you heap on Clinton is fully deserved because you have cast her to be such a despicable person. Any statement she makes gets twisted, taken out of context or completely misquoted so you can sit around and wail and gnash your teeth about how horrible she is. Her supporters who won't jump on the Obama bandwagon are bullied and goaded to the point that most of them don't even bother posting here anymore. There has been ugliness on both sides, to be sure, but please don't try to convince me that Clinton supporters have been "just as ugly" cause that dog just don't hunt.

[Adelante]

54. First you will have to prove this

"offensive names that have been used daily against Clinton and her supporters"

What offensive names have I used daily (or ever) against Clinton and her supporters?

"the filth and lies that you heap on Clinton"

What filth and lies have I heaped on Clinton?

[murielm99]

139. "Prove it. Nyah nyah."

More childish taunts. If you can read, you can prove it to yourself.

Look at nearly every thread in GDP and look at the filth against Clinton that gets enough recs to be on the first page.

[Adelante]

156. You obviously have a reading deficiency yourself

Because your response to my post is not relevant to what I said.

"If you can read" is not a childish taunt. Okayyy.

[murielm99]

166. Your post is just more of the same.

"Not ME! I never said anything naughty! Try to prove that I did!"

I can't tell you how many times I have seen Obamabots post that.

"It's all the other kids, Mom! Honest!"

[Adelante]

182. You are free to believe what you seem so desperately needing to believe

I don't care. It's a bit interesting how you are behaving in the very way you object to in the behavior of Obama supporters. But it only brings me to my original point: Clinton supporters do not admit to their own bad behavior ever. I have never called Clinton supporters anything but Clinton supporters and yet there you are with "Obamabots."

But you know what? Go fuck yourself. There, I gave you something to cry about. :cry:

[Marrah_G]

168. How about this? "The BIG DAWG should have dumped that skank decades ago."

[JVS]

37. A lot of them seem to be really fucked in the head.

[Carolina]

98. indeed... they are just like the vile Clintons

[whatchamacallit]

11. She fucking declared war on herself

She deserves every bit of what she gets.

[SlipperySlope]

12. The war isn't on her SUPPORTERS, the war is on HER

[Arkansas Granny]

36. Her supporters certainly haven't been spared in that combat. You must not

do much reading here, or you would realize that.

[SlipperySlope]

39. I see that...

Innocent people get hurt or killed in war.

Hillary's supporters are the collateral damage in this war.

That doesn't mean that they themselves are the target.

People are taking out their frustration at HER on THEM, which isn't right.

[Arkansas Granny]

43. When other posters call me a racist, I am the target, not collateral damage.

When posters question my sanity for supporting the candidate of my choice, I am the target, not collateral damage.

[hfojvt]

77. are they calling you racist?

Or are they calling some Hillary supporters racists?

Are they questioning your sanity? Or are they questioning the sanity of Hillary supporters in general?

You sound kinda paranoid. Do you think Obama supporters have not been called cultists? Do you think there have not been daily threads for the last three months (at least it seems that way) calling out the behaviour of Obama supporters as a group? When other posters, five or six of them maybe, call you names, you see that as a reason to condemn all Obama supporters on DU?

If somebody posts an opinion that you don't like, or you strongly take issue with, you always have the option of disagreeing. Prove them wrong. If they say Hillary supporters must be insane, give them some sane arguments for supporting Hillary. There have certainly been threads claiming that Hillary haters are sexists, and I have argued with those people.

[Arkansas Granny]

85. I do not suffer from paranoia. I am quite capable of differentiating

a personal statement and a collective statement.

[cornermouse]

86. They're not sane any more, Granny.

No sane person lives in this kind of garbage. I'm leaving for a while. You might want to consider it too.

[Carolina]

100. and why should they be since

Shrillbots and Bushies have so much in common

[JoFerret]

158. Oh really?

Here's a challenge for you - to test your assertion.

Write some very thoughtful and reasonable pro-Hillary posts.
No need to light blue touch paper.

Stand well back.

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[JVS]

18. The Hillbots are treated 10 times better than the Dean supporters were and this sanctimonious...

bullshit is tiresome.

[murielm99]

140. That is complete nonsense.

I was here then. There is no comparison to the way Dean supporters were "treated." And you accuse Clinton supporters of being delusional.

[JVS]

144. I didn't see weeks of threads on how much Dean supporters' asses needed to be kissed before the GE

[murielm99]

150. Weak.

[JVS]

152. I'll take that as a "true, but I have no rebuttal"

[murielm99]

162. You can take it as being so full of kool-aid that you can't hear

anything except the sound of sloshing.

[ProSense]

19. Poor self-pitying you

Good grief.

Maybe I'll start a thread blaming DU for being unable to handle criticism of a candidate for president.

[LibraLiz1973]

24. Yes, I'm really self pitying.

Since I'm not a Hillary supporter.

I'm a fucking supporter of DEMOCRATS and the bullshit you guys are pulling is NOT democratic.

[ProSense]

42. I don't care who you support, your OP was about HRC supporters. It's whining. n/t

[Medusa]

58. Nice try spinning there

no wonder you're a Hill fan. But sorry to say your posts here tonight, all defending Hillary, reveal who you're for.

[Carolina]

101. oh quit with the political correctness

Calling that woman out on her despicable words and despicable campaign is DEMOCRATIC, and if it offends her supporters and those who claim otherwise, TOO FUCKING BAD.

It's free speech and this ain't no theater.

[Straight Shooter]

38. Don't forget your links!

Must have links, lots and lots of blue lines. Enough to induce a seizure sometimes.

[murielm99]

141. You have to have several little gray boxes, too.

[cliffordu]

21. Kumbya....thanks for sharing...Kumbya

[BlooInBloo]

27. Are you sure it's not a JIHAD LYNCHING HOLOCAUST?

You sick fucks.

[Tatiana]

28. There is no war on HRC supporters.

There is a lot of emotion and outrage being expressed over defending in any way, shape or form the indefensible comments Hillary made that even she had to immediately apologize for. Even the right-wing lunatics who have gleefully defended her every move refused to step out and defend her on this one.

Yet we log onto this site and see DEMOCRATS defending RFK'S assassination as a reason why Hillary should stay in the race?

Hillary realized she crossed a line. Obama's official statement called her labeled her comments "unfortunate." He was much too kind, but apparently there are some here that think her comments were "perfectly correct."

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. Awww, poor baby.

:nopity:

[CaptJasHook]

32. "If you can't stand the heat...."

I put my gloves on for weeks, talked about unity while Hillaryis44 and their trolls plied their foul trade on DU GD/P. I waited for Hillary to change her rhetoric.... we all did. Waited for her to stop helping McCain and start helping the Democratic party. Instead she has continued her selfish, abhorrent behavior. And her hardcore defenders have continues their pig-headedness as well.

I was an idiot to put the gloves on. If you are asking for civility, then I admire your patience and compassion, it is greater than that of Hillary. If you are saying these things in defense of her actions, then I would suggest you reexamine your commitment to Progressive and/or Democratic values.

[Carolina]

102. great post

and abhorent is a perfect word to describe Hillary.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

35. Give me a fucking break...Hill screws the pooch and Obama supports are to blame...

Maybe if Hill's supporters here weren't so bat-shit crazy that they try to defend the utter vile coming from the queen's mouth we might not get so upset.

[populistdriven]

41. /PLONK

[slinkerwink]

44. I think it's fucking disgusting you're defending her reprehensible statement

[JVS]

46. Don't worry Slink. She supported Biden and has no dog in this fight, despite the constant whining..

about the Obama camp.

[LibraLiz1973]

47. Um, when did I support Biden?????

[JVS]

64. Oh, I'm sorry. I've confused you with one of the numerous shitheads who claims neutrality because..

they say "my candidate was ______, so don't call me a Hillary supporter." Someone had said Biden recently, I must have gotten them mixed up with you.

So let me get my story straight for future reference. Who was it that you wanted to get the nomination?

[LibraLiz1973]

113. Edwards

[ampad]

151. It says so much about Hillary

When some of them "pretend" to not support her. :rofl:

[Generator]

49. I doubt anyone here as bad as it gets

as ever hoped for her death as a WAY TO WIN. As Will Pitt says, case fucking closed.

[CaptJasHook]

50. I started Kucinich, then Edwards

Back in January, I watched Hillary supporters go on the attack calling Obama supporters Cult members, Kool Aid drinkers, Obamatons, etc.. At that time the worst that could be said about Obama supporters was that they were often immature posters and had lame comebacks. You Hillary supporters should have been ashamed of your belittlement.

You are full of crap if you think your hands are clean of this mess. Instead of isolating Obama supporters and crying foul why don't Hillary people take their fair share of the blame.

Hypocrisy is worse.

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[Major Hogwash]

52. Undoubtedly, Hillary is the worst presidential candidate evah!!

Evah!!!!!!

Worse than George Wallace!!

[SwampG8r]

68. she would have made a good wallace VP

[BlueStater]

53. I've got your back

I agree with what you're saying. Don't let some of the assholes here get you down.

[iconicgnom]

59. mommy mommy! they're picking on me!

snivel snivel.

Meanwhile, in the real world, Obama and McCain are confronting each other 1-on-1 and the GE is ON.

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[RBInMaine]

62. No. We are "attacking" her awful TACTICS in this primary campaign. We generally value the Clintons

and voted for them and have supported them in the past. I voted for Bill twice. But, what she has done in this campaign, all her negativity, has really upset us. Yes, we need Bill and Hillary out there campaigning for Obama, but she also needs to make some amends on her side to heal the party for victory in November.

[iconicgnom]

63. Let's try to reason this thru'

Since the beginning of this race assassination has been a deep, stem level worry for everyone backing a "change" message - a worry proportional to how that "change" message is strong. We know the forces aligned against any deep intent to "change". More than is usual in US politics, Obama's background tends to verify his message of "change" - in spite of all the dirt digging rejoiners. More than is usual in US politics, Obama's message is strong.

So Assassination is a deep level *fear*, for damn good reason given a history that even HRC cites, and the topic should be treated with utmost respect. The possibility of assassination should not, ever, be posited as reason for staying in a primary race, as if it were some kind of *bonus point* scored by the one who stays in vs. those like Edwards, Kucinch, etc., who bow out gracefully when the numbers no longer add up.

Either Hillary is acting on the basis of well thought out reason, as befitting one aspiring to the office of POTUS, or not. But, however one looks at it, the *reasoning* of Hillary's statement is twisted. So, out of respect or whatever, we suppose otherwise, that this was a "gaffe". That she "misspoke" and there was no actual logic, no reasoning based in real world strategy, behind it. But then, and I know how Hillary's supporters now despise Keith Olberman, but nevertheless his journalism is well-researched and KO explained how this "gaffe" has been repeated in various wordings several times. So by that argument, that HRC's statement was a "gaffe", we're led to conclude that HRC doesn't have the capacity to understand this kind of nuance, as fundamental as it is.

The next question is, why doesn't she understand the importance of this kind of nuance? It fits a pattern, e.g. her failure to understand the nuance of the term "obliterate" when referring to another country -- moreover, when referring to that other country in a context entirely defined by insane warmongering hypotheses advanced by an (in name only "opposing") administration that has been proven, time after time, to lie thru' its teeth about this exact thing.

However one can analyze it, it isn't good. Yet at this period of history it's absolutely critical that we get this kind of thing right, for once. This's much more important than that a <insert race or sex or religion or etc. here> get elected. In fact, at this point of history we have to come together as one, not as this faction or that of progressives, but as one people who aspire to realize the potential that *all* the struggles for equality over the past century or two have bestowed on us.

[Joe the Revelator]

65. You do realize that this isn't a game, and that it isn't about you...right?

[ShortnFiery]

66. The Clintons have played WEDGE politics since 1989 ... and have not received much press on it.

No amount of "feigned indignation" or "victimhood" threads can detract from the fact that what HRC said was VILE.

UN-LINCOLN: Clintons tear Country apart (as they lynch Obama)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5oMw2mC7EE

Toni Morrison's essay, "Clinton as the first black president," (New Yorker, October 1998) was her defense--some would say, 'her rationalization'--of clinton vs. his impeachment.

Morrison's argument reduces to this: bill clinton, who is "blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children's lifetime.--fter all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness," is being lynched for not knowing his place.

The irony, of course, is that this is precisely what the clintons are doing to Obama....

And they are doing it to amass more power, and to hell with their party and the country.

All Americans of good will must reject these two dangerous self-serving miscreants, completely and absolutely.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

67. It's a veritable frenzy of foaming-at-the-mouth hatred.

K&R

[ShortnFiery]

69. Oh get over yourselves. No amount of "feigned indignation" can detract from HRC's vile statements.

:(

[SaveOurDemocracy]

72. I see one of my ignored mouth-foamers replied ...

Whoever you might be ... move along.

[ShortnFiery]

75. I can always depend on an complement from some HRC adorers. Your heroine would be proud

of your vicious nature.

May Peace Be With You. :hug: :hi:

[5thGenDemocrat]

70. That's cool

But, you gotta understand -- I don't give a good goddamn what you think. Go vote for McCrazy if you don't like it. Lucretia Rodham Borgia is headed for the trash bin of history where she belongs (probably by Tuesday) -- along with Silky Bill the Pimp. He had his eight years of lining his pockets, molesting interns and selling out American workers through NAFTA and he is now a total irrelevancy. I owe neither of them jack shit.
John
This ain't a popularity contest and we aren't ever going to meet face-to-face. My fight isn't with her supporters (though I'm ready to go nose-to-nose if you are) -- my fight is with History Clinton, so choke on it.

[Lena inRI]

153. Bwahahahahahaha. . .ya said it all, 5thGenDemocrat. . .

. . .and your passion behind the words I share.

These Hillary fanatics and rightwing moles. . .probably both posting on this thread. . .can rant all they want while we confidently put our money and HOPES on Barack to win in November EASILY against McGramps.

In fact, Barack's victorious struggle over Hillary is the worst of this whole election process and what's left to do against McGramps is all downhill.

As far as I'm concerned, the Obama Hope train can pull out and leave this bad baggage behind in the station.

Hillary needed Barack more than Barack needs Hillary. . .then or now.

:hi: :kick: :hi: :kick: :hi:

[hfojvt]

71. which lies are being made up?

I have been working for many of the last seven hours. I know there is an RFK firestorm on DU. Is DU much worse than what Olbermann said? Mark Shields was kinda spitting fire on PBS too. He said "Hillary needs to be held accountable" for those remarks.

I am sure it has been over-the-top here though. Hyperbole is our stock in trade after all.

[HuffleClaw]

73. it has become really crazy lately too, i call it desperation on the part of the obama supporters

who have finally realize he is simply not going to win the GE and that they've been duped by a republican-owned media into supporting an unelectable candidate AND that they've let themselves divide the democratic party to a point that even if hillary does manage to get nominated even she probably won't win now because of them. basically, its one colossal case of buyers remorse!

[ShortnFiery]

74. Wow, you know that once Obama is named the Nominee, perhaps you can work to rid yourself

of using that pernicious psychological defense mechanism termed "projection."

Best wishes. :hi:

[5thGenDemocrat]

78. Yeah, you're right, genius

I voted for Carter twice, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry -- all of whom turned out to be unelectable. I'm going to vote for Obama and take my chances. But I'll vote Socialist before I vote for Lucretia Rodham Borgia.
John
Plus, I notice that you're a Canadian. Why don't you concern yourself with matters up there in America Junior and stop acting like you have any relevancy? Nobody gives a shit what you have to say about our internal affairs -- you don't get a vote, so mind your own goddamned business.

[HuffleClaw]

136. ah, the fabled courtesy of the obama supporter!

i'm so impressed

[Douglas Carpenter]

87. Rasmussen Markets data gives Sen. Obama a 62.9% chance of winning in November

Rasmussen Markets data gives Sen. Obama a 62.9% chance of winning in November

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead. Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 62.9% chance of winning in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

"Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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Average of National Polls:

Obama 47.8/McCain 43.1 = Obama + 4.7

Clinton 46.0/McCain 44.5 = Clinton + 1.5

The general election polls averages the latest polls from Gallup Tracking, Rasmussen Tracking, Quinnipiac,ABC News/Wash Post, Democracy Corp, LA Times/Bloomberg, IDBB/TIPP, Battleground

links:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_clinton-224.html

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Gallup: Key Clinton voters are shifting to Obama




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Rasmussen Markets data gives Sen. Obama a 62.9% chance of winning in November

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead. Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 62.9% chance of winning in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

"Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

[HuffleClaw]

137. well, it would be nice if that ends up to be true

but i suspect that once the media has finished with obama he wouldn't be able to win an election if his opponent was a week-old ham sandwich. he's almost certainly gonna be 'deanified'.

[Carolina]

103. no, the desperation is on the part of Shrillary

Knowing it's over and knowing she's lost, channeled her wish that maybe Obama will be assassinated.

She couldn't have been more transparent and her supporters have shown their true inner darkness as well to support such a remark.

Obama supporters are not duped but Shrillary's have clearly consumed some powerful Kool-aid

[Hugabear]

76. PLEASE LEAVE HILLARY ALONE!

I don't care what crazy shit she says! She is DESTINED to be our next president, how DARE anyone stand in her way! Hillary can say any goddamned thing she wants, and you fucking Obama-tards just better shut the hell up and take it!

:sarcasm:

[Enrique]

79. people are in a frenzy

what's going to happen when the primary is over? McCain is much less fun to hate.

[Binka]

81. What Is Going To Happen Is Your Shit Wont Be Tolerated

Sorry Enrique you picked the wrong horse. Boo Hoo you fool. Stop with the "hate" meme the contest is won on merits. Your candidate failed, no hate just the facts Enrique. You watch too much TV. Read something it might waken your mind.

[mtnester]

89. That's going to be a real problem for you isn't it? n/t

[Binka]

90. no

[Enrique]

92. I'm excited about Obama's candidacy

I'm not letting the Hillary haters spoil that.

[Enrique]

91. she failed

also people hate her. They say "I hate her."

[VotesForWomen]

80. the O-nuts have become completely unhinged. they're foaming at the mouth with hate for HRC.

[shadowknows69]

108. That's because she's a vile person and worthy of nothing but contempt.

[cboy4]

82. Ka-Chink.

Here comes another recommend.

[Name removed]

83. Deleted message

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[Carolina]

104. love your post!!

you speak the truth but as we all know, Shrillbots can't handle the truth. In fact, after all the lies their feckless leader has spewed, they can't even recognize the truth.

They are all spin, all lies, all indignation ALL THE TIME all for Shrillary. Yet the funny thing is she doesn't give a rip about them because she's is a narcissistic sociopath.

[JVS]

107. Except for a very few, they're bunch of puds. Even the very few aren't what they used to be.

[Alexander]

84. WAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

:nopity:

[Douglas Carpenter]

88. I support Sen. Obama now. But I have to agree some of the stuff is waaaaaaay over the top!

And I do not think it is helpful. And I am certain Sen. Obama would not condone it.

[Lady-Damai]

93. In his name?

Is someone physically forcing you to read anti-Clinton posts? If not.. harden the fuck up! Not everyone in life is going to like you or agree with you.

When did Barack Obama elect ME as his spokesperson?! Did any of my posts say APPROVED BY BARACK OBAMA?! I only speak for myself and my views. I have no problem listening to ppls different opinions. If your views are shitty.... YOU will be told so.

[Carolina]

105. touche!

great post, so true.

[dcindian]

95. I find Hillary's war on Democrats ugly

I find internet postings by anonymous people amusing.

[Orsino]

99. Last time I checked, the ugliness was on both sides.

Childish bickering, though, is hardly a "war," whether or not feelings are hurt.

[Maineman]

171. Among supporters, yes. However,...

between the two candidates, Hillary has been the ugliest by a wide margin. Barack's defenders shoot back, then Hillary's supporters get angry and ugly. The ugliness does seem to begin with the Clintons, or with someone's supporters, not with Mr. Obama. Sure he replies to attacks. Otherwise, he treats people like adults, as someone recently pointed out.

Hillary is leading her supporters off a cliff, and much of the Dem party is in danger of going over with them.

[Spider Jerusalem]

109. There isn't a 'war on HRC supporters'.

A lot of people have a problem with CLINTON herself; if you choose to defend her behaviour (some of which, it has to be said, approaches indefensible), or to defend her increasingly absurd and desperate rationalisations for clinging to the delusion that she has a snowball's chance in hell of becoming the Democratic nominee, then you should be prepared to actually do so.

And personally, I think that anyone who continues to support a candidate who's attempted to play the politics of class warfare ('elitist!') and racial division ('hard-working white people!') within the Democratic Party should be ashamed of themselves. And I think that the comparison to Bush supporters in 2000 is far more apt for the dead-end supporters of a losing candidate who refuse to face the reality that any situation in which she gains the nomination will be a very destructive one for the party. But that's just me.

[Unbowed]

110. Hey, Hillary Clinton herself says, "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen."

The "poor me" meme is getting tiresome.

[DemGa]

112. After the smear campaign from Obama you think he would be ashamed?

He's positively grinning from this news. They've called Hillary a liar and attacked her character throughout this campaign.

You got it right - but you are WAY off on Obama.

[Barack_America]

116. 'I don't think she's hoping for some tragic catastrophic event to intervene'

That was Axelrod's (and the campaign's) statement.

It seems that you are once again confusing the Obama campaign with the media.

[DemGa]

121. No, I haven't confused anything

I mentioned the smear campaign from Obama and his campaign - Axelrod's comment does not negate this fact. If anything it's an attempt to make the Obama campaign look "above it all" after the constant assaults on Clinton's character.

[Barack_America]

123. Please provide me a picture...

Of where he is smiling today because he's so happy that Hillary has damaged herself.

Or are you just making assumptions?

I would think the man might just be happy to be in beautiful Puerto Rico today. But I guess everything has to be due to Hillary somehow.

[DemGa]

125. A natural inference backed by facts

A campaign focused on destruction of Clinton's character, and I would not infer the Obama team is further pleased? The "picture" is clear and straightforward.

[Maineman]

175. Clinton's character (integrity, etc) is a problem, and I am not

associated with the Obama campaign.

[Barack_America]

114. I honestly feel for them.

Well, at least the decent ones.

It must be terrible to have the rug yanked out of you like this.

[bigtree]

115. good to see you got some support on this

thanks for sticking your neck out.

[OzarkDem]

117. Some probably are Bush supporters from 2000

and the rest think that toxic, Chicago-style dirty politics will somehow yield them good leadership. It never does.

[Geek_Girl]

120. The war on HC supporters is so bad they all left

I'm an Obama supporter and I find myself having to defend her just to give a rational perspective.

:shrug:

[weezy2736]

122. I stay away. I fancy that after Bosnia and yesterday, anyone that could still call her a viable,...

much less POTUS-worthy candidate simply has a different moral composure than I, and it's one that I do not wish to associate with.

My friend shot himself in the foot once while hunting, and he was smart enough not to do it again. We are still friends.

Hillary's has been unloading an automatic riffle on laevum dextrum pedem et, pausing only to reload. We are not friends.

[natrat]

179. her bullshit with the colombia free trade agreement is over the top like most of her deal

[cbc5g]

127. NO WAY

I won't forget the RW trash and burn campaign Hillary ran against Obama. If you think we will forgive Hillary for comments after she went on Fox News complaining about gaffes Obama made you are WRONG. This is what she gets for the kind of campaign she ran.

[tbyg52]

128. Yep - one set of rules for "us" and another set for "them"

Where have I seen that before......?

[fortyfeetunder]

129. It's not an attack, it's collective outrage.

Hillary's mouth got herself in trouble. Period.

[mzmolly]

130. I would first want a disclaimer that DU's HRC supporters are not supporting

a lying criminal conman with access to YOUTUBE.

There are many great people who suppport HRC, friends and family among them, but there is a sick splinter group willing do to anything to take down a good man and anyone who supports him. For these supporters, I have NO sympathy.

I do make a distinction, however between this small group and the majority of good people who support HRC.

I'll be glad when the primary is over, I think Hillary will be an excellent advocate for Obama. ;) However, I think Hillary needs to stop hanging her hat on the hope for tragedy hook if she's to maintain any respect among voters.

I look forward to our party coming together to defeat McCain this fall.

Peace

[RiverStone]

131. Your reaction is just as big a "reaction"

Granted, there is a lot of froth spewing out - but also realize LibraLiz1973 that we are talking about an election that could mean the difference between world peace and world war. Lots is at stake. Obama = world peace///McSame = world war.

Somewhere in the middle is a peaceful solution - but it won't come from DUers. It must come from party leaders who have the courage to help an old friend (in Hillary) to see how far she has fallen from grace.

If she is not helped or lead out soon, it will get even uglier.

Ya know, world peace and all.

[Butch350]

132. I think it's disgusting...

...and just think, she brought it all down on herself!

[smiley_glad_hands]

133. Poor poor Hill supporters, their only hope is an assasination. eom

[olkaz]

134. It's actually Operation GD:P Freedom.

As in, we're about to be free from the trolls.

[earth mom]

135. Even RFK Jr. said Hillary was referring to a June timeline. This entire thing is ridiculous

and totally out of control.

To the Obamabots EVERY FUCKING THING IS ABOUT RACE.

But the O-bots are seriously deranged if they think that's reality or that people of other races-like whites-even think the way they do for even a god damned minute!!!

NEWSFLASH YA'LL: EVERYTHING IS NOT ABOUT RACE!!!!!

Hell, a year ago before all this crap started, I would have LOVED Oprah to run for president.

Now I don't because she's the one who brought this Obama insanity to the masses.

I don't like Obama for many reasons and my list has only grown since I've seen the insane bullshit around DU.

The Obamabots around here need either a reality check or they need some psychological help.

Because with each passing day they are proving that they are complete whack jobs! :crazy:

[odelisk8]

147. Race?

No. It's about politics. And Hillary throwing that out there is BAD politics. So, you see, in politics, when you do something DUMB...your political rivals EXPLOIT it, to DESTROY you...

not into blood sport? GET OUT OF THE POLITICAL ARENA!

how long before we hear about Rev. Wright again...???

tough luck, Hillary, we BEAT you...deal.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

154. well stated!

:toast:

[RTBerry]

138. 87th Rec

We're approaching the century mark. Didn't know there were that many sane folk left here.

[MNBrewer]

148. I had nothing but the utmost respect for Hillary and Bill Clinton

until they supported the Defense of Marriage Act. I could only think of two explanations.

1. they truly believe that homosexuals aren't worthy of the SAME treatment by the government as heterosexuals or 2. they cynically pretend that they don't believe that homosexuals are worthy of the SAME treatment by the government as heterosexuals and sold out their values and a loyal constituency.

Either way, that was the beginning of the end for my trust of any Democrat who doesn't fully support equality, including Hillary.

[windoe]

155. I am concerned about unity of the Democratic party

-the discourse has become derailed. Many people have been wounded and it is important to envision ourselves past this point.
I have expressed my opinions with all sides in mind, not wishing to harm but to increase understanding. Hopefully I have done this.

[Buzz Clik]

159. I'll k&r this piece of shit.

Why not.

[azmouse]

161. When the 'Obamabot' insults stop maybe some unity can occur.

Til then, screw the HRC supporters. Let them start policing their own.

[TexanIndian]

164. BO is setting himself up for a failure

And all his nut job supporters are lining up behind him like lemmings.

BO and the bueurocrats in the Democratic party want Hillary to disappear completely from the presidential elections. Nevermind that she has won close to 1800 delegates and roughly half the popular vote (give or take a few). She should have quit when the top brass in DNC came against her. How dare she stick around and show everyone that they are making a mistake.

I am convinced that this will make her a stronger contender for 2012. There, I said it folks. Forget 2008 - we may have a blow out success in the Congress and the Senate, but Pennsylvania Avenue has to wait four more years...

[azmouse]

172. Wow! You're really wanting unity among the candidates supporters, aren't you?

Actually, I think you're completely delusional... just like your 'goddess of peace'.
She will NEVER be President and she'll be lucky to keep her Senate seat.

[lilyannerose]

167. OH, WAH!

[Deja Q]

170. You're probably right.

Still, the posts where people go on about "I AM LEAVING, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH" are typically known for snide responses because the sappy maudlin drama factor goes beyond the bar of tolerance.

[keelake]

177. What is the matter with you people???

So look, I know I’m a newbie here, and typically just lurk, but I can’t take this anymore. What is wrong with you people? I feel like I’m listing to an argument b/t my toddlers. I’ll admit I’m young, have yet to turn ‘cynic’ (others refer to it as experience), and still have that ‘save the world’ mentality, but one thing I can say about myself is that I don’t have my primary blinders on. I’m so sick of this manufactured crap. Geez, people get over yourselves. There is shit happening in this country that is bigger than all of us. I love my country much more than I will ever love either of these candidates or my party, and for that I would do anything in my power to make sure that John McCain isn’t my next president. Perhaps it’s time that we stop tearing each other down, and make this happen-be it Obama or Clinton. My toddlers are counting on this.

BTW, I’ll add that I admire the passion I see on DU, just wish we could perhaps direct it into something a little more useful and productive.

[MethuenProgressive]

180. k&r # 120!

wtg, LiberalLiz!

[chknltl]

181. I believe that the war on the SUPPORTERS of both Senators is ugly

Frankly, as an Obama supporter I have no problem with debating with the Clinton supporters when we stick to the issues facing Democrats, our country and our world. It is when I am called names or treated condescendingly that I get defensive. I have no doubts that most of my fellow DUers, regardless of who they support feel the same way. The ugliness grows out of this lack of respect for each other imo. Much of this is caused by trolls looking to stir shit up but there is no question some of it is being stirred up by disrespectful DUers. A further aspect of this issue stems from DUers with skin far too thin to be hanging out in the GD-P. They might try ghosting through instead in order to see how others roll with the bumps and bruises which everyone gets here.

I'll KnR this thread, not because I agree with the OP but because I feel that the OP is partially right. The UGLINESS is on both sides, I have no doubt that we Obama supporters feel that the majority of that ugliness comes out of the Clinton camp and it is easy to see that the Clinton camp feels that the majority of that ugliness comes out of our camp. The bottom line is that there is ugliness and our fellow DUers with thicker skin are handling it better than our fellow DUers who are not so thick-skinned.

[TheFarseer]

186. Yes, it's ugly

but probably alot less ugly than the attacks against Obama if Hillary supporters were the majority her. Just look at her supporters on pro-Hillary sites.