This hysteria over Hillary's comment is quite absurd

[kwassa]

and typical of discussion here on the extremes of both camps.

Outrage is so much fun.

This is a minor incident in a long campaign where little real news happens, so media and this place focus on the minute and scream about it.

So, when is the next minor incident we can scream about? We have candidates on the road talking 18 hours a day, and in all that talk, they occasionally misstate something.

Big fucking deal. It happens. It is not a symbol of something bigger, when either one of them do it. It is inevitable. They are humans under great stress, and demanding schedules, and every so often they screw up.

I wish that either you or I could do as well as Obama or Hillary.

[John Q. Citizen]

1. She made the same "misstatement" 3 separate times. You can call that a "misstatement" if you like.

I just call 'em like I see 'em.

She's scum.

But go ahead and make excuses if you like. You owe her that at least.

[SoCalDem]

42. McAwful says it EVERY f'ing time he sees a camera & microphone

they're "dogwhistling" this message to wackos in TV-land.. maybe her beloved Appalachiacs will "help her out" on this one.. Maybe that's one reason Obama was not all that eager to "put himself out there" in redneck-Central..

she's said it or something just like it SEVERAL TIMES..

she WANTS it to happen..

[travelingtypist]

63. Bingo. Exactly. That's what Terry said.

They can win only if something "extraordinary" happens to Obama.

Come on, Hillbots. Get real, will you?

[Starwars Hillary]

45. Her "misstatements" before actually clarify the emphasis of JUNE

as in the primary going late. Which is a totally scum observation, this going to June thing.

[roguevalley]

66. its only hysterical if you have no conscience. David Kennedy got

to see his father assassinated on teevee just like us. he eventually died as well. for her to use that family for political gain is beyond the pale and so is the OP.

[Webster Green]

2. Hillary remaining in the race is quite absurd..

WTF?!

[BlueJac]

3. And so are you

[AtomicKitten]

4. shame on you for pissing on the gravity of this outrageous reference to assassination

:puke:

[kwassa]

5. Pissing on gravity? sounds messy.

Outrage is fun, isn't it?

[AtomicKitten]

13. It disgusts me reading your bullshit on a Democratic message board.

Eff you. Sincerely.

[kwassa]

22. Why?

I've voted Democratic in every election for the past 38 years.

What's your issue?

[RazBerryBeret]

6. if you think this is no big deal,

check out any news/political website tonight...
it's on almost every home page.

[kwassa]

7. so what? What else do they have to do? They have to fill space, don't they?

How many months did the media talk about Monica Lewinsky?

It is stupid, it what it is.

[RazBerryBeret]

15. hey you're right!

put your blinders back on and go on about your business...

[dchill]

16. Was Monica Lewinsky staying around in case...

somebody got shot? I didn't know that!

[highprincipleswork]

64. No serious political candidate can mention "assassination"

It should be obvious that no serious political candidate can bring up the idea of "assassination". To the less stable out there, it is practically an endorsement of the idea.

The candidate Clinton is clearly unhinged and not suitable for public office, if that is how she is going to talk. No amount of half-apologies or even full, sincere apologies are enough. The damage has been done.

She has shown herself to be clearly unfit for office, several times. It's just that this time it's absolutely unspeakable and unthinkable. She should take it back, get out of the race, and do everything she can to make sure that Barack Obama is elected in November. Only in that way can she lay claim to a legacy which I'm sure she hopes for. All the spoiled fruit she is creating by her current actions will not fund the Democratic Party or her future career in politics. If she's not careful, she will become a pariah for the ages.

[ccharles000]

11. If that were true than...

Rev.Wright and Bittergate are big deals. Just because the media is talking about it does not make it important.

[RazBerryBeret]

14. ok, but you can't just sweep it under the rug

like it never happened.
and bitter-gate was a little different than assassination-gate.

[ccharles000]

19. I agree what she said should not be swept under the rug.

But I hardly think she wants Obama killed.

[RazBerryBeret]

75. I don't think she wants him killed.

I think she said it multiple times because there have been reports that people weren't voting for him because they were afraid he would be assassinated (makes no sense to me, but...) (if you google voters afraid obama will be assassinated you will get lots of reading material) she was trying to plant that seed of doubt (to voters and more importantly to SuperDelegates) that maybe I shouldn't vote for the black man, maybe he ISN'T the strongest candidate, maybe something bad will happen....you have to remember she is a lawyer above all else. This wasn't a slip..

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

24. I wonder who pushed those?

:freak:

[ccharles000]

47. ,,,

I understand that Hillary pushed the bitter and elite thing. But I will strongly defend her when it come to what she said yesterday.

[slinkerwink]

8. it's not hysteria when we have the first African-American black presidential candidate

[4_Legs_Good]

9. Okay, isn't it possible, that she was just remembering RFK because of the date?

I know it was a stupid thing to say and I agree with the OP, but the only reason I know that the 1968 primary went on so long is because RFK was killed in California after the primary, and it still wasn't a done deal, and since California (until this year) had a very late primary, I know off the top of my head that the 1968 primary went long.

And while this is more serious, IMO, than Sweetie-gate, I don't think it's all that it's been made up to be.

OTOH, anything that gets her out now before she destroys our chances in November is good in my book.

David

[sandnsea]

21. Johnson didn't even withdraw until March 31

"In 1968, only the New Hampshire primary was held before the end of March; in April, there were three primaries; seven in May and four in June. In 1968, a total of 15 states held presidential primaries or caucuses."

http://www.embassymag.ca/html/index.php?display=story&full_path=/2008/january/16/primaries/

There is absolutely NO reason to refer to 1968, none at all.

[anigbrowl]

25. This is the third or fourth time she's thrown this out.

I suspect it was focus-group tested. It wasn't a spontaneous or inadvertent remark.

[Bicoastal]

10. Well, all I know is that Hillary is not one to forgive politicians for misspeaking.

Remember 2006?

Among the Democrats joining the chorus critical of Kerry's comment was potential 2008 presidential rival New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, who, while stopping short of demanding an apology, called Kerry's comments "inappropriate."

"I think we have to look forward here we don't need to be refighting the 2004 election as much as President Bush would like that to happen," Clinton told reporters at an event for military families in New York. "What Senator Kerry said was inappropriate and I believe we can't let it divert us from looking at the issues that are at stake in our country."

Remember, she was one of those Senators whose seats were up for grabs in 2006.

I am starting to realize this RFK comment for what it was, a horrible, horrible gaffe. But If she thinks her fellow Dems will come rushing to her side, because of her history of being loyal and magnanimous to those in a similar position, she has another think coming.

Bonus question: if she's the one with all the experience and the ability to stand up to the media, why are she and her husband making all the gaffes? Not confidence-inspiring in any way/

[kwassa]

18. Hillary is an opportunist, so is Obama, so is McCain .... that is politics

it is mostly spin, and little substance.

[Bicoastal]

26. Well, this "spin" is about to topple the spin MASTERS.

I don't fully approve of it. But I WON'T forgive her for her comments on "hardworking whites," the other day, which to me, was far more toxic, and nearly received a free pass from the media (who took up the meme.) That was inexcusable. This was just a horrible mistake.

Sadly, they are truly about to reap what they sow...

[sandnsea]

12. Being under sniper fire really takes its toll n/t

[Swamp Rat]

17. "Big fucking deal?!?"

What were you doing on June 6th, 1968?

[dchill]

20. I bet I know...

kwassa was wondering what the "big deal" was - and mocking everyone's outrage. Just guessing.

[kwassa]

28. I was being shocked by Robert Kennedy's assasination.

What were you doing?

That was a very big deal.

This is no deal at all, just people willfully misinterpreting Clinton's statement, which was clumsy.

Watching people getting upset over THIS is pretty amusing, actually.

[Swamp Rat]

31. You say that then say, "WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL?!?"

Nothing more I can say to you.

[kwassa]

33. I'm not surprised .

[anigbrowl]

23. Hillary always seems to 'misspeak' in contexts where she has time to prepare.

Sniper fire was offered up most famously in a prepared speech on defense matters. Today's remarks took place during an editorial board meeting. These are not events where she is being peppered with questions and flashbulbs, but carefully controlled situations which she has time to prepare.

[Cha]

27. Prissy pants posts like yours are

a dime a dozen..get off your fucking soap box.

[kwassa]

29. Prissy pants? I like that!

Nothing like those substantive criticisms!

[CaptJasHook]

30. Have you been asleep? This is just another straw on the camel.

She has been playing dirty politics for months now. This just happens to be more over the top then most.

What you are really seeing is extreme Hillary fatigue and frustration. That is human, too.

[kwassa]

32. Her politics are not particularly dirty, in what is a dirty business

[ClassWarrior]

34. No, she only invokes political murder. Child's play!

NGU.

[kwassa]

35. oh, go read what she actually said, and parse it out.

can't be that hard, can it?

[ClassWarrior]

41. She didn't use the word "assassination?" And why do you have to try to insult me?

NGU.

[kwassa]

44. but why did she use the word "assasination"?

she was invoking a time frame for comparison, badly, not suggesting that Obama would be assassinated.

[ClassWarrior]

50. I didn't say she did. I said she invoked political murder.

"Invoke" means to suggest, to bring up, to raise the spectre of. Go read what "assassinate" actually means and parse it out...

as·sas·si·nate / əˈsæsəˌneɪt/ – verb (used with object), -nat·ed, -nat·ing.
1. to kill suddenly or secretively, esp. a politically prominent person; murder premeditatedly and treacherously.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assassinate

NGU.

[kwassa]

53. So? She invoked. Like I said before ....

BFD.

[CaptJasHook]

65. What she did suggest was that she was staying in the

race just in case Obama is assassinated. Just like her shills have said they are waiting for Obama to make a fatal (not as in deathly) error in judgement or that something bad would be found out about him.

She is like a vulture. And a crass one at that.

Besides that, her analogies were wrong.

[kwassa]

71. she didn't suggest any such thing. That is the falsehood.

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right?" she continued. "We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California."

Now, how does this suggest Obama will be assassinated? It doesn't. It also doesn't suggest, in any way, that she is staying in the race because he might be assassinated. Neither of these ideas is in any comments that she has made here.

It just isn't there. These ideas are, in fact, inventions.

Why does she say it? As a time reference, but it comes out badly. She is indicating that historically many candidates are still campaigning in June.

[CaptJasHook]

72. Okay, believe what you will.

I certainly hope you are right. Perhaps she was just being an political idiot, or just tired and stressed as some have claimed.

Perhaps she was just setting us all up so she could make fun of us.

Fact is, she has lost. I will rest content with that tonight.

[CaptJasHook]

37. LOL, you totally have me on that one.

But she sure as hell better be ready for payback.

[ShortnFiery]

36. With this last DARK and calculated comment, the Clintons have lost their last shred of dignity.

:nuke:

[ampad]

38. Did you post something similar

During bittergate, unfortunate baby gate or sweetie gate? I'm just wondering.

[kwassa]

46. No, but I should have, because they are also trivial.

[razors edge]

39. No politician I could ever support would ever pull that shit.

The terrible situation she implied is an obvious threat we all hope this nation has moved beyond, not something to be thrown about in a flippant quip to justify her continued campaign.

This was no gaff, it was calculated, polled, and presented to the American people for political gain.

[redstate_democrat]

40. "cling to their guns..." what did Hillry do with that? She painted him an elitist and partnered up

with McCain on that meme. She couldn't realize how that was a "minor incident", could she? She tried to ride that into the WH, by pushing that in Pennsylvania and placing it in the minds of rural voters that Obama hated them. Now, she says something about the man's LIFE and we are supposed to just get over it? Yeah, right. Not in her wildest fucking dreams will this go away. Her candidacy is over. She would be well served to think about remaining in the senate.

[kwassa]

49. People will forget about this inside of a week.

I predict.

[redstate_democrat]

51. Sure they will.

:eyes:

[msallied]

54. You hope, but I doubt it. I seriously doubt it.

She will be done in a week.

[kwassa]

57. Hillary has been pronounced dead so many times that it is kinda funny.

[msallied]

59. This is a lethal blow. Mark my words. Some things simply cannot be swept under the rug.

We were already in the death rattle of her campaign. This was merely an injection of morphine to speed things along.

[kwassa]

60. oh please, this is pure trivia.

[jbm]

43. great post..thanks for the moment of sanity..n/t

.

[mystieus]

48. She was tired. It was late. She says a lot of words.

[Gore1FL]

52. This isn't minor. This is outrageous

It wasn't someone who the candidate knew. It was the candidate.

If you don't think this is going to reverberate for the next few days and reappear any time she attempts to run for office again, think again. Today Clinton committed political suicide.

[kwassa]

55. A week, tops. Then, no one will remember. Or, no one will care.

[msallied]

58. Keep telling yourself that. Assuage your guilt at defending this nutjob however you need to.

Cognitive dissonance is such a bitch, I bet.

[kwassa]

61. I only hear sweet harmony,

[Gore1FL]

67. Pastor gate lasted for weeks and still pops up

That rhetoric doesn't rise to this, nor was it spoken by a candidate. This haunts her forever. See if it doesn;t come up in her 2012 Senate race.

[kwassa]

68. Wright was much more inflammatory, intentionally, than this minor thing.

this has no legs.

[Gore1FL]

70. See also Thomas Becket....

[kwassa]

73. what office is he running for?

[Gore1FL]

74. None He doesn't live in any state.

words have power. People with authority need to realize this. Whether or not King Henry II meant for the outcome achieved, he said the words to spark the event.

If you cannot see the seriousness of today's comments, I am not going to try to convince you. The bottom line is enough people do. This will haunt her for a long long time. It will likely be noted in her biographies as the moment her political career vanished.

[NaturalHigh]

56. I agree completely...

and I qualify that by saying that I can't stand Hillary. Most people displaying (or feigning) outrage over her comments are just looking for a reason to bash Mrs. Clinton, as if there weren't plenty of legitimate reasons already.

[LibertyorDeath]

62. "a minor incident"

It sounds like you know next to shit about American political history.

It also sounds like you are just this side of retarded.

More than likely it's both.

[kwassa]

69. That is a substantive response.

[OneBlueSky]

76. many of us who were around in 1968 are profoundly offended . . .

by Hillary's comments, be they intentional or inadvertent . . . and being inadvertent is almost as bad as being intentional when the person uttering them is a seasoned Democratic politician who WAS around in 1968 and who knows all too well the pain of that summer -- pain that is still quite real when we're reminded of it . . .

to even mention it in the heat of a campaign that already has major sexist and racist undertones (overtones?) is either despicable or immeasurably stupid . . .

and it doesn't even matter which -- just as long as she goes away . ..

[ShortnFiery]

77. "We all remember that Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in JUNE." It's VILE.

:grr: :nuke: