I change my mind. I don't think there was anything malicious in Hillary's comments

[Quixote1818]

If she was really sticking around just in case Obama got shot she would NEVER have verbalized it, knowing if he ever did get shot, she would look really bad having said such a thing. Think how she would look now if something did happen to Obama. She would NEVER be given the nomination now, after those words. Had she been hoping for such a terrible thing she would have thought things through and known NEVER to verbalize something that would key people in on what she was planning. No, I think as RFK Jr. said, she tended to associate his death with a campaign that went on into June. It was one of those things that stood out as a marker for a long campaign in her head. She probably realized it was a mistake to have said it right after it came out, even though she had made the same mistake earlier. Sometimes people will say the same stupid thing twice because it fits in with their train of thought. Once you start to make an argument you have made in the past, you can't stop it in time from coming out the same way you said it before.

I still think she has been very selfish in this campaign and has lied about many facts and twisted things around in Karl Rove fashion. I think KO's list of things she had done was spot on, but in this case she just made a stupid gaff. I do think she owes Obama and his family and apology because her words are most certainly going to cause the Obamas to worry.

What she did was right up there with the girl who wore the shirt that looked like it had a bomb attached to it into the airport. Both mistakes will go down in history as two of the biggest fuck-ups known to mankind. But in both cases, neither person meant anyone harm.

[NYCGirl]

1. Well, at the very least, it was monumentally stupid. NT

[bhikkhu]

38. Between worst and least, she still sounds like a sociopath

Without a center, without a compass, without empathy. As if, because she was not strongly corrected the last two times, it is ok to suggest that she should stay in the race because Obama may be assassinated, and then she can still win.

This is the logic of what kind of leader?

[BlueJac]

2. Who cares?

[Quixote1818]

4. Evidently you do since you took the time to read this and post about it. nt

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

28. notice how someone's always apologizing for Hillary or making excuses for her?

That's not presidential.

[LostinVA]

44. The same goes for Obama

:shrug:

[emilyg]

34. You do.

[Bluebear]

40. Building up a post count are you?

[rusty quoin]

3. When I first heard it I thought it was a time thing...

but then I watched KO's special comment, and found out she had said it several times. I just cannot figure out what she is trying to do.

[kid a]

5. poor choice of words, should know not to use "assassinate in June" as we approach June

[Diane R]

6. How to explain all of her surrogates saying she's staying in the race, "in case something happens"?

[Quixote1818]

12. I think part of the reason she was staying in was on the chance of a Macaca moment

but I doubt she was banking on that. I have no idea why she is staying in and causing so much trouble? She is trying to get something at the expense of the party, thats for sure. As I said, I certainly have my problems with other things she has done.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

30. now she has met her own Macaca moment

of her own making.

Actually, this isn't the first such thing, but she has been given
so many free rides and excuses by the media and enablers.

[Swamp Rat]

7. I do.

She is an attorney who has her script well-prepared in advance.

This was cold, and calculated.

The more I see her on video, and the more people defend her, the more I get angry.

[stillcool]

15. The Consummate, Astute, Politicians...

they are known to be, certainly say a lot of things which they later say are mis-remembrances or weren't meant to be offensive. And yet on and on it goes. Scorched earth...I had no idea.

[BenDavid]

8. I have heard her make this reference before..but I think it is a mistake

for people to take offense." Robert Kennedy Jr. the son....Those words should make a difference in this faux outrage by obambi folks....you all did not go apeshit whne HRC said basically the same thing several months ago, nor did the whoremedia take offense to what she said, they and you knew she was making a comparison of how long some campaigns can last...simple as that....but what changed? well for one the whoremedia is so far up obambi's ass they are making big deal over this and you talk about hyprocrisy, there you have it in full view.....


Shalom
Ben David

[movonne]

24. Don't blame Obama for her stupidity ... or the media ...they did the

same thing to Obama over his preacher thing...and you hillary people were all in a faux outrage...I guess what goes around comes around.. and this one is much worst...

[CaptJasHook]

33. Please don't end your posts with Shalom if you don't mean it.

It's insulting

[sandnsea]

9. 2008 is not the same as 1968

There is no reason to compare these two campaigns and I don't care how many Kennedy's say otherwise. Her and her people have been saying Hillary needs to stay in because who knows what might happen. Now that she equates her staying in to an assassination, we have to pretend we don't know what she's been thinking? There is no reason for her to even refer to 1968, elections were completely different then.

"In 1968, only the New Hampshire primary was held before the end of March; in April, there were three primaries; seven in May and four in June. In 1968, a total of 15 states held presidential primaries or caucuses."

http://www.embassymag.ca/html/index.php?display=story&full_path=/2008/january/16/primaries/

[ShortnFiery]

10. None are so blind as those who *will not* see. This is an HISTORIC gaffe. eom

[bunny planet]

11. She was playing the fear card once again. She knows that people are concerned

for Senator Obama's safety,it was not an accident to bring it up. She may not have meant him harm literally but bringing up assasination plays into the fears and attempts to undermine his candidacy through those fears. Once again proving she'll do and say anything. Very stupid, very unfortunate, and I think superdelegates will now have cover to leave her in droves. She just made herself krypotonite.

[ShortnFiery]

13. This is a gaffe of HISTORIC proportions. Given our violent history of ASSASSINATIONS, you just

don't GO THERE. HRC is shameless and it's beyond time that HRC IS FORCED to "take responsibility" of her nasty brand of divisively "hate-bating" politics. :(

[Lone_Star_Dem]

16. I agree it's a historic gaffe. An epic screw up.

The political equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot.

What I want to know is did she really say this three times? I only knew of one other and if I'm not mistaken the Kennedy's took exception to that one. Is that not correct? I could be way off base on this. I'm working from my memory which is much less than perfect.

[ShortnFiery]

19. Yes, I don't have the link but I believe she said it before in an magazine article.

I also believe that KO's comment (Political Videos) addresses this issue.

[Snarkoleptic]

14. You just can't say stuff like this when you have such a big sounding board.

Her remarks are no accident and may incite some mullet-headed dildo to do the unthinkable.
Maybe I'm cynical, but maybe this is part of her demented VP tactic?
If she's dumb enough to make such statements due to 'exhaustion and fatigue', imagine how badly she'll screw up under the crushing pressure of the Presidency.
Deliberate or not, this comment confirms the fact that she's unsuitable for office!

[Frustratedlady]

25. Not the one to answer that 3 a.m. phone call, is she?

[IDemo]

17. This was not about malicious intent or wishes. It was about a lack of judgment

It's embarrassing for me as an Obama supporter to read the "food taster" commentary, along with all of the other ridiculous posts suggesting Hillary actually wishes for an unfortunate "accident" or worse to occur, much less is plotting for such a thing.

But what is genuinely concerning is her lack of judgment in making statements such as her assassinate remark today and her earlier 'obliterate' statement. We have already been subjected to seven years of a president who can't measure his words. An occasional slip of the tongue is human and to be expected. But when words like 'obliterate' and 'assassinate' enter the dialog of a person who wants to sit in the Oval Office, what type of message does that send about how they will handle the 3:00am calls?

[Frank Booth]

18. I agree. It was just a stupid, foot in the mouth comment.

Plus for those here who think she's planning on having Obama "dealt with," she ruined any chance of that since she'd definitely be a suspect now.

[ShortnFiery]

21. A stupid comment said TWICE and "implied" (assassination) repeatedly?

I'm not buying it. She is behaving in a VILE manner ... this is "beyond the pale."

[Frank Booth]

26. I think she has a tin ear. Seriously, she's not a very good politician.

She doesn't relate well to people, and she doesn't understand how people will react to her comments and actions. She's not a master politician like her husband (or Obama for that matter). That's why she lost the nomination after starting with every advantage imaginable.

I think it was an incredibly dumb and insensitive statement on her part, but I don't think it was said with any malice (no more malice than her statements relating to Obama normally carry anyway).

I feel bad for her. It's really tragic to see Hillary in this position. Out of that whole crooked Clinton cabal, I always felt that she was the one with the most integrity. I'm not going to start supporting her because I feel sorry for her, but I would like to see her fade away with her dignity intact, which is looking less and less likely by the day.

[Quixote1818]

LOL!!! "......she'd definitely be a suspect now.

:rofl: Spot on! She would be the dumbest criminal known to mankind!

[msallied]

20. It's not about her "intent!"

It's about her thoughtlessness, it's about her insensitivity, her poor timing, her historical inaccuracies, her effing CRAZINESS and lack of tact.

[gabby garcia]

22. i said it before

it's not about being malicious but more her letting the mask slip as to reveal her innermost blatant and raw desires.


and it's not a pretty picture.

[Starwars Hillary]

23. How could anybody EVER have thought she meant what has been maliciously attributed to her?

If she didn't mean that, which she clearly didn't, it's not a "fuck up". It's a bogus firestorm. This is more about the bias against Clinton than anything else.

Stage 1 = DAMN HER FOR SAYING THAT!

Stage 2 = Okay, she didn't say that, but damn her for making me think that!

Stage 3 = Damn me for thinking that.

[Patchuli]

45. Sorry, no excuse for this 'time' and this slip-up

She's pushed the envelope this time and you simply cannot make her intent behind her ill-chosen thought into something better than it was. She needs to drop out before she makes herself any more detested.

BTW, welcome to DU. I hope you are ready to support the Democratic candidate.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

27. she's not fit to be VP or Pres - her kind of "gaffes" are an embarrassment to our country.

its time to get her out of the public eye. She's an embarrassment.

[TahitiNut]

29. "... she would ... she would ... she would ... She would ... she would ..."

It's not my intention to be snarky. I just have difficulty believing that any of us have the foggiest notion of the mix of motives and appetites and aspirations and values that drive her ... at least to the point of claiming with any degree of confidence that "she would" do any particular thing under various modalities. While I realize that the supporters of any candidate have beliefs and vest TRUST in that candidate, who'd really predict "she would" say what she's said?

After all, we have a record ... where she makes the connection between her decision to continue to campaign and the possibility of some event, up to and including an assassination. Several times. Repeatedly. It's not an accident. It's not a "misspeak."

Understudies often tell an actor to "break a leg" ... but few (hopefully) are serious - or include "get shot."

[KSinTX]

31. So, I get to yell fire in a crowded theater again

As Oliver Wendell Holmes said, "The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent."

[Timberside]

32. the "Train of Thought" excuse doesn't fly for a former first lady, and presidential candidate

Making this subject (assassination) a lead story across the nation, while running against the first black presidential candidate is outrageous.

She knew exactly what she is doing. How many times do you think she cringed at that subject appearing in the news when her husband was the president, or pressing flesh in public venues on the campaign trail. How many times did she have to soothe Chelsea's fears as she grew up hearing of the real danger for her dad. Hillary has lived with secret service protection for a long time. She knows the danger of planting that thought in the mind of some nut out there who might take on the message as a personal mission and try to act on it.

Hillary has been telling the world that Obama is "not ready on day one", not as strong a candidate in the general election versus John McCain, and with the same purpose today she reinforced (for the fourth time according to K.O.) the notion that she may be a safer choice for the party, to make it all the way to the finish... alive. That was her subliminal point. Sadly, in her mind, adding another "fear" to her list of Obama deficiencies was just another legitimate political tactic.

Let's not forget, she is practiced at speaking to the press, an attorney, a presidential candidate, a former first lady, and a U.S. Senator, She was calculated and sure, but crossed a line from which she will not recover.

Just a "train of thought" gaffe. Not a chance in hell. And definitely Malicious!

[Quixote1818]

35. So if it was on purpose then wouldn't she have seen the firestorm coming?

Of course she would. The only way it might have been malicious would be it coming as a freudian slip and not something she meant for everyone to hear. I don't see what she gains from this? Based on the reaction of a lot of people she gains nothing and loses one hell of a lot. Hard for me to believe she did this on purpose.

I agree that she has pulled a lot of crap! I don't care for her at all! But in this case the only logical conclusion is that it was a stupid gaff. Maybe this is her Karma coming back to haunt her?

[bhikkhu]

36. Not malicious - sociopathic

She somehow thought that it was ok to state the obvious - that she would benefit and become the nominee if Obama were assassinated, therefore she should stay in. And this is the sort of leadership she offers the country? She has no idea what leadership is, as she has once again demonstrated.

No center, no compass, no empathy.

[Whisp]

37. she IS malicious. n/t needed.

[Bluebear]

41. Yes, a real murderous psychopath, obviously. RIght?

:crazy:

[Whisp]

43. i was thinking fucking deceitful asshole, but you go where you want. nt

[AuntPatsy]

39. there is absolutely nothing wrong with being able to change ones

mind, it shows good character....

[tyedyeto]

42. Her hand would never be physically be involved.....

but her words and rhetoric are enough tell some Limpballs-type personality to 'go for it' and 'you'll get my utmost support' when it happens.

She knows exactly where and how to push the buttons of those who are more crazed than she is.