It's amazing to me that everyone who is cutting down Hillary Clinton...

[NaturalHigh]

at every opportunity is outraged at the thought that Clinton voters might not support Obama in the general election.

Yes, it's obvious at this point that Obama is going to be the nominee, but anyone who wants a Democrat as president must surely realize that Clinton voters are going to be needed. If not, then they deserve what they get in the general election.

By the way, for those of us who can't stand either of our two candidates, it might be time for Obama to give us a reason to go to the polls in November rather than saving the gas by staying home.

[Mike Nelson]

1. The dominant "Conservative Media" hates Hillary Clinton

with a passion.

[beezlebum]

24. yeah

that's why they wouldn't give rev wright a rest.
or couldn't resist using osama instead of obama a few times.
and framing debates with softballs for clinton and crap like flag pins for obama.
telecom 1996.

[TahitiNut]

69. It's just not fair.

:nopity:

[SwampG8r]

75. every time hillary shoots herself in the foot

they(clinton enablers) come running with bandages and demand we be nice
no nice
she said it
and by god i know in my heart
she meant it
she needs to go

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

95. clearly she sees assassination as her only hope of getting the office now

but the right wing media is doing everything they can to help her.

[roguevalley]

122. I'm a dem who wanted Edwards but I will vote for obama when he

clinches the nod. No one has to kiss my ass, tiptoe around my tantrum, duck my frying pan or pander to me to get it done. the fucking idiots who think that we have to do the same to Clinton supporters are full of it. You are full of shit. We don't want your sorry ass if you require us to kiss your ass. Take it down the block to McCain's house. Go and fuck off. Everyone else has stepped up. You do too unless there is a truth to the idea some have that women aren't ready for prime time.

[PaulaFarrell]

2. For more years of republican mis-rule

that should be reason enough for anyone

[NaturalHigh]

13. So it's the "ABB" strategy all over again?

Yeah, that worked so well in 2004, didn't it?

Sorry, Obama is going to have to do more than shout "hope!" at every campaign rally to get my vote. I realize that Obama supporters are now of the opinion that the Democratic Party is their exclusive domain and that, as such, they now automatically get every Democratic vote out there, but it's not going to work that way.

[PaulaFarrell]

117. well. who will you vote f or then?

if you're really a democrat, you will vote dem. I have the luxury of being an independent, but i still seem to vote dem all the time. I have to suck it up every election because no one i want to vote for is viable, but you claim to be a dem - i suggest you suck it up too and hope for the best. what else can you reasonably do?

[Iceburg]

132. Some day you will realize that whether or not people hold party affiliations

on election day they are free to exericse their independent thought without fear of reprisal.

That is why in a true democracy secrecy of the vote is held sacred. If you believe in democracy, why would you want to undermine one of the basic principles by demanding that people declare their vote in public?

[PaulaFarrell]

152. what on earth are you talking about?

a few points:

1) it was kind of a rhetorivcal question

2) an anonymous internet board cannot be considered public

3) reprisals? are we in Zimbabwe or something?

4) someday i will realise...hmmm...do you mean someday when I grow and have your wealth of experience, by any chance? please spare me

[NaturalHigh]

166. I honestly don't know at this point who I'll vote for.

It won't make much difference, since Oklahoma is going to go for McCain by a wide margin. More than likely, I'll just leave the vote for president unmarked on my ballot.

[roguevalley]

123. I don't care what you do with your vote.

[thoughtcrime1984]

157. Yeah that's all he does, is shout "hope"

Go vote for whoever, or don't vote at all, we don't care. Just quit bitching about it. I realize there are going to be a lot of selfish babies that'll not vote for the Democratic nominee. There's nothing we can do about it. I doubt anyone will beg for your vote.

[BlooInBloo]

3. Yah... there's not much we can do with people who support the Vulture Waiting In The Wings strategy.

[cbc5g]

4. "it might be time for Obama to give us a reason to go to the polls in November"

After 8 years of Bush.....ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?????????????????!?!?!?!?

[ampad]

31. Fucking loony isn't it

I wouldn't let it get you to you though. There are more Hillary supporters out there IRL who care about what happens to their families and will support the nominee. Those who post this shit on message boards are in the minority even though they would like for you to believe they are the majority. The black mail crap they post is old and kind of funny if you ask me.

[dkf]

5. Please please, Hillary can say or do anything she wants...just please

vote for Obama.

Beg Whine Snivel Grovel.

Happy now? Yeah, I'm sure I just got you to vote for Obama. Wow great job DKF!

[SoFlaJet]

20. fuck them all dkf

if they don't want to vote for the democrat then we don't need them. I will not beg any of them for their support, we'll just have to do without them and if by some chance John McCain ends up AS POTUS then THEY will have themselves to blame when THEIR daughters or granddaughters are forced to have an abortion in some dark alley. Or when THEIR sons or grandsons have to fight in the hundred year war...I know firsthand what war does to a man's psyche-i lost my brother in November at 60, after watch him struggle through a life of PTSD and drug addiction. Fuck them all and fuck their threats.

[beezlebum]

26. right on dkf and soflajet!

:grr:

[SoFlaJet]

33. spoken like a true

ex-hippie like myself

[Auntie Bush]

171. Spoken like a true

asshole.

[dkf]

32. Just proving a point that sniveling and groveling doesn't do anything for these people anyway.

Its a joke.

[SoFlaJet]

39. yea I know, I got it dkf

look, I'm sick and tired of everybody having to walk on eggshells tippy-toeing around an increasingly mentally unstable person. She is losing it,HER medical records should be shown NOT McCain's

[JoFerret]

143. Lack of civility and temper tantrums are so appealing

.

[JoFerret]

144. Oh! go on. Snivel and grovel some more

You know you like doing the sore winner whine.

And it makes such a refreshing change from temper tanties.

[DemVet]

138. Geez, here comes the fear mongering.

:eyes:

[LeFleur1]

158. NO

If this country ends up with McCain it will be because Obama did not appeal to the majority of the Electoral College. Got it?

You actually think you are going to get away with blaming Hillary supporters because you insisted on a weak candidate? Take a little responsibility for a change.

It wouldn't be the first time that the majority of the voters were wrong. Take a look at the last eight years. You know who got Bush into office? Stubborn voters who would not look at the facts.

[4_Legs_Good]

6. Vote absentee!

Then everyone's happy!

David

[glowing]

7. McCain is so much scarier that its not even funny... no matter what someone

says on an anonymous board, please consider that some of my family is in the military.. I'd like to see them home alive... Please consider, I am a woman, I'd like the choice to do what I need to do with my body. Please consider, I'm maxed out.. another tax cut for rich people and corporate conglomerates to send more jobs and money abroad will hurt me and many in my family even more.

Thank you.

[TheZug]

8. So we should mask our outrage to appease sensitive HRC supporters?

That's really amazing. She brings up assassination, and yet it's the Obama supporters who must tread lightly for fear that HRC supporters are not offended.

[cstanleytech]

27. No, you should however remain civil and not be so contemptuous

or rude like so many have on the forum, all it does is drive a wedge between the party which the republicans will exploit.
Now if someone is being disrespectful on the forum towards obama then confront them but just try and remain civil about it as there is no need to sink to the swiftboat level of a republican is there?

[TheZug]

35. For some reason I have a problem with civility when people talk of assassination.

[cstanleytech]

58. You know very well that I was not talking about Hillary

mentioning the assissination of RFK but about the treatment supporters of her on the forum have been recieving however I cannot force people to show people some common curtesy and respect for others they have to mature and learn to do that on their own.

[Auntie Bush]

172. Sorry, but they already have.

Sank to the depths of the bottom of the ocean. They can't go any further down...unless it's all the way to hell.

[oldtime dfl_er]

9. I don't understand

"...it might be time for Obama to give us a reason to go to the polls in November"....whaa? Sometimes I wonder if ANYTHING is enough reason for people who dislike Obama. What kind of reason are you looking for?

[NOLALady]

92. Maybe bleach will do.

[Warren Stupidity]

10. Supreme Court, 4 more years of corrupt venile incompetence

more war, more sabotage of the social security trust fund, more pandering to the religious whackjobs. If you cannot drag your lazy ass down the polls because you just aren't terribly motivated I can't help that, but I do wonder what you are doing here.

Clinton created this latest shitstorm all on her own. If you are angry about that, take it up with Senator Clinton. I sort of thought we were 'Democratic Voters' not 'Obama Voters', or 'Clinton Voters'. But that is just me.

[Joe the Revelator]

11. The Clinton supporters who havn't come over to camp Obama are holidng the party hostage in order for

them to get their asses kissed. Sorry if I'm not playing into this. This isn't about you or your feelings. its about the country. If you don't want to help, we'll register people who do.

[SoFlaJet]

29. fucking-A Wolsh

I have 4 new young Obama democrats in this family alone so go ahead you bastards-LEAVE

[NaturalHigh]

37. It's certainly not about my feelings.

I don't like Clinton or Obama. There are lots of people out there who feel the same way. Ignore them all at your own risk.

My vote won't matter one way or the other since Oklahoma is going to go red in November. However, there are plenty of swing voters in swing states who are turned off by the arrogance of the Obama machine.

[dansolo]

54. So are you looking for Obama to pander to you?

His positions are out there. If you agree with them, vote for him. If you don't, then don't. What else are you looking for?

And please site the examples of "the arrogance of the Obama machine".

[NaturalHigh]

59. I don't need to cite examples.

They are very apparent here on this board.

[FredScuttle]

72. DU does not equal the Obama campaign

n/t

[Joe the Revelator]

82. So you're letting DU influence your vote? Go outside more.

[lastliberalintexas]

177. Damn fucking straight I am

How the heck do you people think that candidates get votes- they pander! And so far, Obama and Clinton have done an abysmal job of pandering to me.

I want to hear about single payer, universal healthcare being implemented. I want promises that the top marginal tax rates and capiatal gains taxes will be increased. I want them to tell me that they will look into Pentagon waste and find out what has happened to the trillions of dollars in taxpayer money that have been unaccounted for in the last 8 years. I want promises that education funding will be increased tenfold while the military budget is slahed. I want to know that our troops are coming home now, before anyone is sent out for their third deployment despite a PTSD diagnosis from his second tour (someone I know). There are plenty of other issues on which I want to be pandered to as well.

It's about damn time someone pandered to me to get my vote, rather than the holier than thou religious conservatives who will vote republican despite the McClurkin fiasco or the hawks who will vote republican despite the pro-IWR vote. Damn straight I want to be pandered to instead of those people, but I guess it's telling that our candidates pander to the conservatives more than to their own freaking base. :eyes:

[cstanleytech]

42. Then in all likelyhood in my opinion you will end up costing

the democrats the election and I really, really dont think I can take 4 more years of Bush via McCain.

[Joe the Revelator]

83. I'll end up costing the democrats?

How do you figure? Get to work registering people.

[cstanleytech]

120. Well, you and others like you to be honest.

And no its not about your trying to recruit more votes, thats perfectly fine its about your apparent disregard of the ones who do support hillary.
You might not think their vote does not matter but their votes might well matter if enough are driven away to either to not vote or even to the extreme of voting for McCain.
In other words the ones you are looking down on might make the difference between a democrat hopefully unseating the republicans from the whitehouse or forcing us to stay in Iraq for another 4+ years.

[L0oniX]

12. Most of the stats point out that many more Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama...

than Obama supporters not vote for Hillary. On the whole, Obama supporters will vote for whoever is the Democratic candidate for president.

[TwilightGardener]

14. Eh, bite me. Tired of people like you.

[JVS]

28. 2nded

[Joe the Revelator]

86. Exactly. PANDER TO ME!!!! Make ME feel important.

Good riddance, we'll keep registering voters.

[RazBerryBeret]

15. And Again....

A lot of us need to get over ourselves here.

It's really not about you, or any supporters, it's not about me...it's about the future of this country, our country.

I want the best possible candidate in the White House come January. the one with the most integrity, honesty and leadership ability. I want open and transparent government, I want a role model for my kids, I want a President I can be proud of, a President who can make foreign diplomacy easy. A President who can restore our standing in the world.

And I don't think we should have to work any "political deals" to make that happen...

[crankychatter]

16. why is it they always whine about unity right after kicking you in the nuts?

amazing

[cliffordu]

17. Yet another Hillary Blogger Talking point post.

Another conference call come in??

Hillary's not your mom. We're not kicking your sister. She's another failed politician, and in that regard she is absolutely equal with every other second rater out there. Be proud. She did this to herself.

[jgraz]

18. If the Democratic nominee against John McCain needs to give you a reason to go to the polls...

maybe you're in the wrong party?

[NaturalHigh]

167. The party doesn't own my vote.

Neither does Obama.

[Mz Pip]

19. Personally, I don't make my

decisions on who I vote for based on the most virulent posts on anonymous message boards.

Nor am I going to waste my time begging and pleading with anonymous posters on message boards to vote for a particular candidate.

Anyone who needs strokes from people they don't know to justify voting for a candidate needs more than I am willing to provide.

[Saturday]

21. BO supporters prefer to dismiss 17 million Democrats as not important. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

34. No, we've given up on the ones demanding to be courted back to the party.

If you don't know where your loyalties are you are a hopeless case.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

56. Sorry to be the one to break this to you

But there is not 17 million Hillary supporters who won't vote for Obama, most of her supporters will vote for the nominee come the general election. To even make such a claim on behalf of so many people is very arrogant by you

[Carolina]

148. the arrogance

of Hillary is matched only be some of the Hillbots who claim to speak for all women, for so many millions of voters, for Democrats...

Sheesh, these people never cease to amaze me.

[Iceburg]

161. Latest polls say that 25 to 30% of Hillary's supporters will not vote for Obama

You do the math.

[salbi]

101. Why do you care what supporters on DU think? Vote for the candidate!

[totodeinhere]

140. Are Clinton supporters so immature that if their candidate loses they are going to pick up their...

toys and go home? What does it say about some Clinton supporters that they would have that attitude? Edwards supporters didn't do that. Richardson supporters didn't do that. I makes me really wonder about the true character of some Clinton supporters.

[TexasObserver]

22. Again with the "Obama needs to kiss my ass to get my vote!"

No, you need to grow up and vote consistent with what you allege to be your principles. If you have to be convinced not to vote for McCain, or convinced it matters, you're too big a baby to be voting.

[thewiseguy]

25. We never hear enough of it. They feel as if they are extra special.

[saracat]

30. Because they are. Obama can't win without them deal with it.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

43. Your self esteem must be in the shitter if you need to wield this to prove your importance.

I feel sorry for you.

[thewiseguy]

51. You said you were going away after Obama won NC.

Why am I suppose to listen to someone who can not keep her word?

[NaturalHigh]

60. A lot of them can't see that for some reason.

[Inuca]

64. But can YOU see that

we can ALL lose if you and others continue to think like this? It's a logical disconnect I simply cannot understand.

[NaturalHigh]

68. Yes, I can see how we all lose with McCain...

I'm just waiting for Obama to tell us how we "win" with him.

[Inuca]

94. And

assume for a moment that he does not, not to your satisfaction. Then what? Will you stay at home? Vote for McCain? Vote for Nader? Unless you live in a 150% (not a typo!) safely blue state, all these options are almost identical.

[saracat]

114. My state will vote for mccain no matter what. it makes NO difference if I stay home, but I won't.

I will vote down ticket where we have a chance.
Whoops. Didn't mean to answer.

[Carolina]

147. well if Hillary would do the

right thing graciously rather than be a petulant spoiler maybe he could universally focus on the GE and you would see how we win with him.

[Inuca]

61. "Obama can't win"

= "McCain WILL win"

Forget the past for a monet at least. At the point where we are now, can YOU deal with this alternative, saracat? I really do not think you can, and I think/hope that most people that are not Obama supporters will in the end, once the nomination is 100% settled, come to understand this. WHether we like it or not, we live in a 2 party system, there will be only two viable alternatives, out of which one is unacceptable. It is a very simple equation, which soon will have nothing to do anymore with whether you like Obama a lot, are indifferent, or actually dislike him. McCain gets scarier by the day, he simply CANNOT be an option, and neither for most of us should be staying at home.

[martymar64]

100. So hilbots can insult all they want, but obama supporters have to kiss ass?

Glad to see your delusions haven't diminished.
If you'd rather vote McCain than Obama, Elizabeth would be ashamed of you.
Welcome to Nader country. Make sure you enlist your kids for McCain's hundred year war. He'll need the cannon fodder.

[ampad]

23. It's amazing to me

That grown people would allow the internets to influence who they would vote for in a very important election. It is also amazing to me to see the hypocrisy coming from the Hillary supporters side. Maybe Obama supporters don't think you would support him anyways the way some of you went after every single thing the man said, even things that didn't even come out of his mouth: Bitter-gate, Rev Wright, sweetie gate, typical white person gate, finger gate, snub gate, did I miss any? I guess we are suppose to bow at your feet now and not say a single word about Hillary even though all the gates listed were plastered all over DU for months? Especially Wright-gate. Whatever, you will do what you want to as you are adults. I don't really need to kiss your ass or cover up my outrage of Hillary because of you and I will not. Obama got no benefit of the doubt during all those gates listed above from the Hillary camp and most of her supporters were more than willing to egg the shit on. I really don't care about your e-feelings. I know two Hillary supporters in real life who think that what Hillary said was inappropriate and they will vote for Obama in the GE but of course they don't allow scuffles on message boards to shape their view of the candidates. That is because they got families to worry about, you know children and all. McCain is more of a concern to them than their e-feeling being crushed.

[onehandle]

36. No thinking allowed at Democratic Underground.

Only comments like, "He sucks" or "She sucks" or "Go away" or "Welcome to ignore" are allowed.

DU = FR.

[NaturalHigh]

41. "Welcome to Ignore" is my personal favorite...

along with the poetic "so onto ignore you go!" somebody hit me with a few months ago.

[iconicgnom]

38. If you say you're a Dem or progressive that can't think of a reason to ...

to go to the polls in November, then I say you're sadly mistaken. I mean, about being a Dem or progressive. Whatever political stripe you believe you are, if the past 8 yrs of Republican rule hasn't given you a reason to make the small effort to vote against a continuation of it then you're either a Republican at heart or not all there.

[NaturalHigh]

45. When Obama bothers to explain how he will make anything better..

I'll be happy to listen. Shouting "hope!" really doesn't help gas or food prices any.

[dorktv]

126. I think maybe the OP simply wants to vote for someone instead of

against someone. Too much of the last campaign was anyone but Bush.

[NaturalHigh]

165. Exactly!

"ABB" didn't work in 2004, and it won't work in 2008.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

40. Give you a reason to go to the polls?

Here's one. Supreme Court.

Why do you feel the need to be coddled in order to vote?

[NaturalHigh]

48. Gas prices, food prices, stagnating wages, Iraq war...

Any word on those? I'm tired of the Supreme Court boogeyman. We heard it all through 2004, and we got four more years of Bush.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

84. Seems like you are intelligent enough that you can do your own research.

Get on it. Stop waiting for someone to hold your hand.

[cornermouse]

44. Indeed.

It cost me almost $40 to put slightly more than 10 gallons in my car this morning. Tell me again why we aren't impeaching that disgusting person in the White House and his partner in crime? I think I need to hear the explanation again.

[NaturalHigh]

47. How will Obama bring the gas prices down?

I'm anxious to hear his plan.

[cornermouse]

53. I don't know how or if Obama will bring down the price of gas.

I filled my car up this morning, started thinking about the gas that I would use getting to the polling place to vote for someone that doesn't support hardly any of my positions and who does support others that I strongly disapprove of, and want to know why impeachment proceedings have not been begun against Bush and Cheney.

[NaturalHigh]

57. My opinion why impeachment proceedings have not begun:

Our Congress (Democrat and Republican alike) has been largely spineless. If Cheney says jump, they start hopping. If Bush says jump, they generally smile while doing it.

[cornermouse]

66. It's depressing.

[Downtown Hound]

46. With no due respect intended

what exactly is the point of these kinds of posts? Are you just looking for people to come and kiss your ass to get you to vote for Obama? Guess what? If eight years of war, debt, poverty, and misery isn't reason enough for you, then vote for someone else and bye bye. I'm convinced we can win without you, and I'm really, really sick of all the foot dragging and whining by the Clinton camp. You make it all about you, just like Hillary herself does.

Either get on board or go somewhere else. Your candidate wore out her welcome months ago and has been nothing but an obstacle to real change in this country and a neocon enabler. If you choose to follow in her footsteps, that's regrettable, but it's your choice. This is a web site for Democrats, and he's our nominee. Make your choice, support Obama or go somewhere else. In other words, put up or shut up. Because I really don't give a fuck what you Clinton folks do anymore. The party may actually be better off without you. Your inablilty to see through Clinton's lies and toxicity has seriously left me wondering about your judgment.

[NaturalHigh]

52. "Either get on board or go somewhere else."

Typical of the Obama machine mentality. By the way, Mrs. Clinton is not "my candidate." My candidate dropped out a long time ago, and I have said many times that I would never vote for Clinton. I would like for someone to give me a legitimate reason to vote for Obama, though. So far, he hasn't deigned to explain just how he is going to make things better for this country.

[Downtown Hound]

67. You know what? Find your own damn reason to vote for him,

or don't. That's what I'm saying. Why do you need others to do your research and thinking for you? Go and look up his plans, his policies, his ideas, and make up your own mind. But stop boring everybody with tales of how he's not perfect enough for you. I've heard this shit before back in 2000 when it was done by a bunch of Nader supporters, and look at what we got. Obama wasn't my first pick either, but he's our nominee now so make up your own mind and quit asking others to do it for you. We've got a fish named McCain to fry, either help us do it or shut the fuck up. God gave you a brain and independent thought. Now go use them and make a choice.

[NaturalHigh]

74. You're right. God gave me a brain, and it tells me not to trust someone...

whose entire campaign is built around shouting "hope!" without citing any specifics.

[Downtown Hound]

80. Since you're too lazy to do a simple Google search

Here:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/technology/

Just one page full of Obama specifics regarding technology. This whole "no specifics" line is a bunch of bullshit. Obama has many plans. It's just that you'd rather not do the research and instead moan on an internet board. We are literally fighting for our future here friend. This is the time to go balls to the wall out and defeat this right wing madness, not sit around asking for somebody to hold your hand to and convince you to do something that should really be a no-brainer. Now I'm done with you. As I said before, the battle now is with McCain. Either get on board or get the fuck out of the way.

[Kierkegaard]

81. If that is as much as you know about Obama's campaign, you

are either incapable or unwilling to learn. The information is there, I'm betting you just want to hold on to ignorance so you can keep spouting garbage as you have above.

[pnwmom]

119. Sorry, but he's not the nominee.

He's 99% likely to be the nominee, but he doesn't have the required number of pledged delegates and until then, he is smart enough to recognize that he's not the nominee.

And the powers-that-be at DU have also made it clear that HRC's supporters are still welcome here. They haven't shut down the debate yet, even though you and other Obama supporters have been trying to do so for months.

[Downtown Hound]

129. He's not the nominee...he's not the nominee...he's not the nominee

Say it enough times and maybe, oh hell, it still isn't going to make it true. He's is the nominee, accept it and deal.

As far as I'm concerned all Clinton supporters are welcome here as long as they eventually throw their support behind Obama as the nominee. If our roles were reversed and I decided to never vote for Clinton, the last thing I'd ever do is ask you Hillary supporters to pander to me to get me to vote for her. You see if I was to do that, I'd probably have enough self-consciousness to realize that I was being incredibly selfish. I'd be under the false impression that my rather small group of obssively fanatical Hillary supporters on DU are the key to the election and they absolutely need me. Then I'd get them to try and kiss my ass as much as possible because ultimately, it's all about me. It's not about the millions of Iraqi dead and maimed or the future of the planet or our tumbling economy. My feelings have been hurt, and that's what really matters. Fortunately I'm not doing anything like that, but the OP here is.


Even now in the face of certain defeat, you're still trying to throw as many hurdles in our path as you can. How about fighting some Republicans for a change instead of tearing down our candidate? If you absolutely can't do that because you simply can't get behind Obama, then please leave these kinds of self-indulgent me me me posts behind.

[Carolina]

149. excellent post

but watch some Hillbot down thread accuse you of speaking for Obama or his campaign, and ergo that's all the more reason not to vote.

What idiots!

[OwnedByFerrets]

49. IF McSame doesn't give you enough reason to

go to the polls in November and vote for THE democratic nominee, you are beyond hope or help. Vote for McSame and you risk (a very high risk in my mind) millions more dead in the middle east when Iran is invaded or attacked. I don't want that on my conscious.

[union_maid]

50. Obama supporters, by and large, are not his teammates

This is a very silly premise. This is not a team sport. Obama supporters, whether they were for him from the start or got on board as the race narrowed, are supporting him because of policy. I would have assumed that the same was true for those who chose Clinton. In the larger scheme of things there are two visions for this country and they are championed by the Democratic and Republican parties respectively. There are differences from one candidate to another but those are tiny compared to the chasm between the philosophies of the two parties. In the primaries we can vote on policy, qualifications, personality, loyalty or just good looks. We
can all feel free to vote for our most ideal, perfect candidate if he or she is still running when our primary comes around. Even Mike Gravel. No harm, no foul.

Yes, I'm very well aware that we all have the complete and inalienable right to vote for whomever we choose in November. That doesn't change the fact that in November we vote on the future of the country. We vote for life or death for some. We vote for reproductive freedom. We vote for the economic direction of the country. In November, it's serious and not a time for personal peeves.

[Life Long Dem]

55. I have no say in what your going to do.

Either you care about the Democratic party or you don't. Which are Hillary supporters?

[hokies4ever]

62. I don't fear your fear-mongering tactics

and threatening to withhold your vote falls into that low-class category.

[CaptJasHook]

63. I draw a distinction between Hillary, irrational Hillaryis44 supporters and

the majority of peaceful, progressive, Democratic Hillary supporters.
Apparently you cannot make that distinction and must threaten the Democratic candidate again with your non-voting inaction.

Get over yourself and your bitterness.

[NaturalHigh]

65. Well, after all, I am one of those bitter, gun-toting, white guys.

Obama has done such a great job of uniting the party, hasn't he?

[CaptJasHook]

71. Don't blame Obama on that one. Hillary drove in the wedge

And Obama has done will with us White guys in the west and those in the Midwest. I guess you fail to appreciate the new voters he has drawn to the party or how much he has energized the Progressive base.

You have been played.

[NaturalHigh]

77. I'm here in the midwest.

In my area, I guess I must have missed all those "new voters" Obama has brought into the party. So far, I have yet to find anyone who says that he or she will vote for Obama.

[CaptJasHook]

79. Okay....

There were 630,000 in Indiana
646,000 in Wisconsin
979,000 in Ohio
1,302,000 in Illinois

I don't know how to calculate the Caucus states in the Midwest.

Either you are being Obtuse or you need to get out of your basement.

[Carolina]

150. excellent post

facts, damn facts... Hillbots can't handle truth and facts.

[martymar64]

104. Maybe you need to look beyond your pals in the Aryan Brotherhood

[NaturalHigh]

159. It's amusing to see people like you...

show themselves for the jackasses that they are by making such ignorant comments.

[martymar64]

103. Bitter, gun-toting, huh?

Maybe the Secret Service needs to have a visit and a talk with you. What do you think, Sirhan? Should they be concerned?

[NaturalHigh]

160. Sirhan?

You really are eaten up with dumbass, aren't you?

[Downtown Hound]

153. Put your gun down and pick up a book

Learn more, shoot less. March in protests, commit civil disobedience, write, sing songs, do more to make yourself a better human being and less time blowing holes in things. I'm sorry if that seems to girly for you or some bullshit like that. But instead of us pandering to you and your gun-toting, individual freedom loving ways (which is really just another way of saying that I'm too afraid to stand up to a segment of the population that has historically been responsible for racism, lynchings, ignorance, and willingly made themselves cannon fodder for our nation's illegal wars out of some false sense of patriotism) how about you step out of the shooting range and join us in making this a country where everybody didn't feel like they needed a gun for protection?

You wanted somebody to give you a reason to vote for Obama, then there it is.

[NaturalHigh]

169. In case you don't recognize sarcasm when you see it...

my post was basically a slam on Obama's ill-chosen words several weeks ago. I haven't shot a gun in years. However, I am pretty fond of individual freedoms. You seem to imply that's a bad thing.

As for giving me a reason to vote for Obama, your rambling didn't quite get there.

[Orsino]

70. Anyone whose vote is swayed by the immaturity of a few DUers' posts...

...was not going to be a great asset to a campaign, anyway, and I'm frankly suspicious of those claiming otherwise. I won't excuse the behavior of the lunatic fringe of either candidate's followers on this board, but it shouldn't be allowed to influence the important decision every voter has coming up.

[iamjoy]

73. Shame On You!

Have you visited Obama's website and read through his Blueprint for Change?

Obama wants to provide a national health insurance plan we can purchase. No one would be required to do so, but people would have the option of buying a plan like the one available to federal employees.
(McCain wants to let the market sort it out - bad news for people with preexisting conditions)

Obama wants to expand the earned income tax credit.

He wants to guarantee workers paid sick days.

These are only a few things. How sad that you are too lazy to go look. How sad that people choose to the easy way of attacking you or trying to scare you rather than bringing up some of Obama's goals and ideas.

[cornermouse]

91. I never ever look for the truth on any candidate's website.

Cause it just ain't gonna be there.

1. National health insurance plan that we can purchase is no solution. A true national healthcare plan would be built in and would not give the insurance companies even more cash for less actual care. In actual fact, there is not much difference between this and McCain's plan.

2. No real opinion on earned income tax credit but I believe he's said something about tax cuts and this is not the time to give out more tax cuts.

3. Most workers already get paid sick days even in non-union companies.

[iamjoy]

111. You're Wrong

There is a big difference between Obama's health plan and McCain's.

McCain's plan would allow health insurance companies to discriminate based on age and health status. Obama's would not. According to the AARP, Obama's and H. Clinton's plan are a lot more alike than either of them are to McCain's plan.
http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourhealth/discoveries/articles/candidates_diverge_on_health_care_plans.html

Obama's tax cuts, like H. Clinton's, would be targeted to lower and middle income workers. You know, the people who are struggling to fill their gas tanks and buy groceries. They both want to let Bush's tax cuts on the ultra wealthy expire. Check out ontheissues.com

According to ACORN, about half of all food service and retail workers have no paid sick time. I suppose that makes you technically correct when you say "most already get paid sick days." But it still leaves out a lot of hard working people. http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=10968&no_cache=1&tx_eeblog=0&tx_eeblog=402

Obama and H Clinton aren't that different on policy, certainly they have more in common with each other than either of them has with McCain. McCain has more in common with Bush than with either Obama or H. Clinton.

If you can't get H Clinton, Obama is a good second, solid second choice.

[cornermouse]

113. Obama's healthplan is not extensive enough.

And the idea of allowing insurance companies to profit even more is just dumb. They need to be cut out of the equation.

We're in deep deep trouble thanks to Bush and Cheney. No one should get be getting tax cuts right now and the wealthy should be immediately returned to their former level of taxation. As a nation we can't afford to hand out any more tax cuts.

I worked in food service for several years and even I got some paid vacation time here in the heart of red state country; not as much as I get now but I still got some.

Obama thinks school choice could be a viable option and should be considered. I disagree vehemently on that.

[iamjoy]

118. Obama's Healthplan

Is better than what we have now and stands a chance of passing - not a great one, but better than H. Clinton's would. To be honest, I like H. Clinton's better because its goal is to cover everyone. But, if that is removed from the equation, and the choices are - continue to have 47 million (or more) uninsured or get insurance for most of those people.

You are never going to find a perfect candidate who agrees with you on every issue and who has all the perfect plans. You pick the candidate who is closer to your ideology and who you overall feel would be better for the country.

[Terran]

76. If you can't think of 20 reasons to go to the polls in November

ON YOUR OWN, then I doubt very much that you are either a Democrat or a progressive. Get a fucking clue.

[NaturalHigh]

78. I can think of exactly ONE reason to go to the polls in November:

the races besides president.

[emilyg]

87. My motivation, too.

[cottonseed]

85. No one "deserves" McCain.

If Hillary supporters really want to get back at Obama supporters, maybe they should work to dismantle the congressional majority and just write in Gingrich while they're at it.

[Darth_Kitten]

88. This is only too right on.

n/t

[LaurenG]

89. You'll vote for him if you want to otherwise, what can we do?

Obama hasn't done anything other than have a personality people don't like, from what I can tell. If people don't like him then how is he going to change that.

[martymar64]

105. They just want him to die somehow

Then their queen can run unopposed. Time to check for any Colombians on her staff.

[NOLALady]

90. Maybe its McCain who should give voters a reason

to go to the polls in November. Another Republican presidency and we'll have to stay home from work to save gas, or walk.

[sellitman]

93. If you need a reason to get to the polls in November

then kindly leave DU.

You have no clue.

Take your vote and enjoy 4 more years of bush.

[NaturalHigh]

164. I don't really think it's up to you whether or not I stay at DU.

If the mods want to kick me off this board for not proclaiming undying love and loyalty for our nominee, that's up to them.

[KSinTX]

96. Natural, why can't you stand either candidate?

What are your specific reasons?

[shadowknows69]

97. John McCain

That's your reason to go to the polls.

[jsmirman]

98. Please tell me a little bit about your life and what you care about

so I can tell you whether or not you would be a fucking idiot for not supporting Obama in November. Maybe his election instead of McCain is not better for you.

But, uh, seeing as this is Democratic Underground, that would be quite a surprise.

[jsmirman]

106. well? Because you're either 1) not a democrat or 2) a massive baby

which one is it?

[NaturalHigh]

176. I care about the economy and getting out of this stupid war.

[salbi]

99. You won't vote for Obama because you don't like his supporters?

[John Q. Citizen]

102. Since many Clinton voters aren't Democrats, is it any wonder they might not vote Democratic?

I think you should probably stay home and let McCain be elected.

You probably have your reasons why you would like that. In fact, I'm sure you have your reasons. And kissing your ass isn't going to change those reasons you have.

[SoCalDem]

107. So, let's see if I have this right...

hillary & her minions are okay with the fact that she's repeatedly "suggested" that she could win if someone "kills the real candidate.. the one who's winning", and WE're supposed to kiss her ass and the asses of her cadre of followers, because she's ruined her own campaign with bad money-management, miscalculations and foot-in-mouth episodes?

Do what y'all want.. stay home, vote for Mccain, vote for Obama..whatever..

if your consciences can really be okay with her antics, maybe Obama is NOT ever going to be your candidate..He's for positive things..not assassination of character OR person.

[stillcool]

108. Why is it up to anyone..

to "give you a reason to go to the polls"? Jeez..if you don't want to vote..stay home.

[Occam Bandage]

109. It's amazing to me that Team Clinton is acting like nobody has ever attacked a candidate

in the primaries--and that they haven't given as good as they've gotten.

[Barrymores Ghost]

110. Sick to Death of Hillary Supporters who feel something is OWED to them...

...get on board the Democratic train before it leaves the station, or get left behind. It's that simple.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6111215&mesg_id=6111215

[ecdab]

112. And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you

- ask what you can do for your country.

My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

JFK January 20th, 1961

Please take note of his words, you seem to have forgotten.

[EFerrari]

115. Isn't casting your vote in an informed way your responsibility? n/t

[zulchzulu]

116. If "Clinton voters" aren't going to vote for the Democratic nominee in the GE, they can...

...go fuck themselves.

We'll have more than enough new voters to make up for their turncoat asses.

[Exilednight]

121. Reasons to vote for Obama:

4,000 plus dead in Iraq.

A forgotten war in Afghanistan.

Tens of thousands seriously injured and maimed.

100 - 1000 years of war with McCain.

[kid a]

124. To Quote Maddie Mccall: "No one gives a shit about DU and the anti-Clinton excrement that's posted

"No one gives a shit about DU and the anti-Clinton excrement that's posted here except for the couple hundred people who dwell in this forum."

What happens on DU, stays on DU.

[smiley_glad_hands]

125. Actually, we don't need the 40% that will never vote for a person of color.

Further, they need to be marginalized, not empowered. They are part of the problem not the solution. Go vote mcsame already.

[VotesForWomen]

131. if 40% of dems 'will never vote for a person of color,' what would that percentage be among repugs/i

repugs/indies? much more than 40%, one would have to say, so how exactly is O going to win the GE? if you think he has a chance in hell of winning the GE, then you know your claims that everybody who doesn't vote for him is a racist is bullshit.

[smiley_glad_hands]

174. Not necessarily dems, just hill supporters. eom

[Catherina]

127. Yawn. Bush/McCain fundraisers being canceled for lack of interest

and you want us to pander to the Old Guard.

Get over yourselves.

[sudopod]

128. What the hell do you want?

A book entitled History of the 21st Century for Dummies?

What?

[VotesForWomen]

130. don't you know, the golden boy is entitled to your vote. nt

[Major Hogwash]

134. Well, the "golden boy" beat Hillary in the primaries, and that's just politics.

That's the difference between Obama and Hillary. Obama is the nominee, and Hillary is the loser.

[NaturalHigh]

162. That's definitely the attitude that his supporters have.

The PARTY owns your vote + WE control the PARTY = WE OWN YOUR VOTE

The arrogance of the Obama machine doesn't really surprise me anymore, but it does disgust me.

[Major Hogwash]

133. I'm not that worried about the Clinton supporters on this forum, they don't represent real Hillary

supporters. There is no doubt a few of them actually are, but the rest are just saying they are because they have nothing left to say.

Since Edwards endorsed Obama justa few weeks ago, it is clear that anyone that opposes Obama at this point clearly doesn't understand politics or the ramifications of acting out on political forums.

To be blunt, these few people are just acting out on this forum because they can.

[Perry Logan]

135. Obama supporters would make lousy chess players. They don't look even look a single move ahead.

[Honeycombe8]

136. If you go to his website & research his views, listen to his speeches on issues....

those are the reasons to vote for him.

I don't know why Hillary supporters wouldn't support Obama when he wins the nomination, assuming he does. He has played fair. He has won fair and square. He didn't pull any shenigans, criticize Hillary personally. He has simply fought the good fight, while staying for the most part above the fray. He has done some negative campaigning, but not much.

And he did all this while also dealing with his personal Rev. Wright, Ayres, Michelle, and other problems.

Obama supporters have more of an issue with the Clinton camp because of things they have directly done or said. Until very recently, it looked to a lot of people that her game plan was to damage Obama, once she realized she couldn't win the nomination. That's how bad it got on the Clintons' part. The ref. to she and McCain being more qualified to be Prez than Obama. That she has the "hard working white working class vote." (I guess all those minority blue collar workers don't work hard. Plus, she doesn't have the white vote, as we all know.) That his win in S.C. didn't mean anything because even another black man years ago won S.C., so big deal. Changing their stance on the LasVegas special caucus sites for the casino workers (they pushed for it, then when Obama got the union's endorsement, they threatened to sue over the special caucus sites. But the Clintons won those sites, so no lawsuit.) They changed their position on the FL and MI primaries, which disadvantaged the lesser known candidates big time. She even imitated his speeches....a personal attack. And on and on.

[demokatgurrl]

137. Good lord, aren't the polls close enough to WALK to?? n/t

[JoFerret]

139. The death of common sense

And then there's the factor that DU has grown so that self monitoring for civility no longer happens.

[Carolina]

141. Frankly, I am not outraged at anything the Clinton

supporters do any more. They follow the lead of their feckless leader.

Fortunately, however, I think we only hear the most vociferous of them who will spitefully vote against their own interests in the GE. Where I live most are true Democrats will support the nominee.

[ClassWarrior]

142. What's amazing is that some so-called Dems will support a personality...

...over our Democratic values.

NGU.

[Meshuga]

145. I must add that anyone who base their vote in November

based on the behavior of online supporters rather than the candidate need to grow the hell up and learn to control his/her emotions.

[kitfalbo]

146. um.

What reason Would you find acceptable, you don't like the SCOTUS or POTUS arguments since we can't say Obama will give you $1000 dollars (outside of his tax plan) there really is no pleasing you.

[mystieus]

151. Its her own fault she ran a divisive campaign after South Carolina.

And a lot of her supporters failed into it not realizing.. so here we are bickering about a primary that's already over by the delegate count, which is how we pick a nominee.. no if or buts.

Its time to come together.

[Elidor]

154. Riiiiiight

Because the reasons to vote are not painfully obvious to you after eight years of Bush: you need Obama to spell them out for you. Riiiiiight.

[totodeinhere]

155. Obama shouldn't need to "give (you) a reason to go to the polls in November."

If you are a good American you should fulfill your civic duty to go to the polls and vote. You already have a reason to go. Obama doesn't need to give you one.

[Blue_In_AK]

156. The main reason that I can think of to go to the polls

even if you're not an Obama fan is the Supreme Court. The next president will be making appointments, no doubt, and McCain has made it clear that he likes the Roberts/Alito mold. Surely, Obama could do better than that.

[Moochy]

163. Dont get high on your own supply

Do you know how justices are appointed to the Supreme Court?

[NaturalHigh]

168. Yes, and I'm sick of hearing about the Supreme Court boogeyman.

I'd like specifics about the economy and the war. All the ABB team preached about in 2004 was the Supreme Court, and look how well that worked.

[quaker bill]

170. You get to pick!

You are owed nothing. No one has to give you any reason to vote and even if you don't, one of the candidates will win. Participation in democracy is a freedom we have, if we choose to use it.

If you don't choose to participate, others will make the decision for you. Someone will end up in the Whitehouse regardless of whether you go to the polls.

The very notion that you are owed anything in this process is both arrogant and flatly absurd. No one owed me anything when Dean lost in 2004, and trust me I got no consolation prize. Get over yourself importance and choose to make a difference, or alternately, step aside to make room for those who will.

There will be one and only one viable option to avoid 4 more years of this crap on the ballot come November. This is the way it always is. You get to pick and no one else is responsible for your choice.

[Raine]

173. You have to look at who is best for your own interests

and weigh it out, old man McCain or Obama, vote for your interests. Anyone who doesn't vote for what is best for them and allows other things to influence them it's beyond me to give you a reason. :shrug:

Edit: corrected typo

[NaturalHigh]

175. Good response.

In November, I will vote (or not vote) based on my own interests. As it stands right now, I'm not sure how I will vote.