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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 10:30 AM Original message |
Can Obama secure the nomination WITHOUT settling FL.& MI.? |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
1. It was settled when they started out. |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
2. It will be settled--and Obama will be the nominee. |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
3. They are settled. |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Do you think the DNC rules committee is her "minions"? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. some are, some aren't n/t |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. you first |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. She will damge herself irrevockably if she is seen as..... |
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lisa58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
7. It's going to be settled... |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. wanna bet? |
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lisa58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. If it's not settled at the meeting... |
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rock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
8. Yes |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
11. Hillary should get her MI votes - BO should get none there |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. The rules established before the first Iowa vote should not be changed |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. There are possible sanctions for breaking the rules, |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:32 AM Original message |
Go read the original sanctions. |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
25. I have read them |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Today it is to HRC. Yesterday it wasn't. |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #11 |
20. doh! |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. It was a calculated move - not a requirement |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Ah, yes. Calculated to show he understood established rules & procedure |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. What "established rules & procedure" are you speaking about? |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. The one that said only IA, NH, NV, and SC Dem primaries could be held prior to Feb 5. |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Then perhaps you know: How is the penalty determined? |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Here's an article on when and why the FL penalty was made |
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DemVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #11 |
21. I agree. |
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lisa58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #11 |
27. Neither MI nor FL were fair elections |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
52. This MI voters says DONT YOU & HILLARY TRY TO TRICK ME! |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
13. It's not up to the candidates or the DNC or anyone else...... |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
28. That is not correct. Not by a long shot. |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Sorry, but what you posted is exactly what the Charter says and means..... |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. You are mixing the rules governing the GE, for which the constitution plays a part, |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I am not mixing anything. Courts have intervened in primaries because they deal with equal voting.. |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. This subthread started with your incorrect interpretation of the Democratic Party Charter, |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Your dizziness is surely due to your defending the trashing of the voting rights ...... |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Please provide us with the constitutional clause and clarifying court case |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Presidential election primaries have to provide equal access for all voters and in every state. |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. comments below |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. The Fourteenth Amendment happens to be first time the phrase "right to vote"..... |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. A primary is not an election for the choice of electors for any of those offices. |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. "A primary is not an election ....." Yes it is...it is the beginning of the process. |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Your apparent belief that the Democratic Party's goal of inclusive participation |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. The basic Democratic Party Charter IS ALL inclusive. The DNC "rules" violate that total inclusion. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
15. If they aren't seated, this will go to the convention. If they still aren't seated, we have lost the |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I'm sick of being threatened. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Sheesh. No threat, jaxx. Chill. This is a political reality. |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Hillary isn't doing this for MI and FL |
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DemVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Sick of being "threatened?" How are you "threatened?" |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
18. The Mi. and Fl. delegates will get the cheap seats? |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
30. The question is - can Dems win the GE without MI & FL |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. When did Obama say "shut up and vote"? |
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Gore1FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
34. He'd secure it at thsi point with or without them |
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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
35. Yes. n/t |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
42. Yes and she needs to stop with the popular vote meme. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
45. He Can WIn the Nomination, Obviously |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
47. maybe, but he sure as heck won't win the GE. O-ists don't care about that, though. |
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DogPoundPup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Nothing reveals the Clintons' lack of principle so clearly |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
55. I think both compromise solutions suggested by each state are accepted, and the outcome is the same |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. it could be an opportunity for a show of unity among democrats. |
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