Our flag has 50 stars for 50 states....They all count....

[suston96]

That flag was changed to 50 stars when Hawaii and Alaska became states.

But now with Florida and Michigan not counted we will need to go back to the 48 state flag.

[SoonerPride]

1. yawn.

I like tuna fish sammiches

[ErinBerin84]

2. all states count

Does this include caucus states?

[jenmito]

13. No. But it DOES include Puerto Rico.

:rofl:

[Kittycat]

15. NO - quit asking

[KansasVoter]

3. So the GOP does not love this country???? Stupid logic......

The GOP has a nominee and I don;t see any GOP people whining about all states not counting. You are desperate!

[Bright Eyes]

4. Nobody is buying it anymore.

Clinton wants those states counted only because she needs them to be viable.

You know it, I know it, and the whole damn world knows it!

[TheWraith]

16. She's not even viable WITH those states!

Even if both Florida and the Soviet Michigan elections were seated as is, Clinton STILL LOSES. At this point, it's just to try and undermine Obama's legitimacy.

[suston96]

52. So why not count them? And end this. I don't want to go buy a new flag.

[Catch22Dem]

5. Someone hold a mirror under that argument's nose

Talk about dead!

[kdpeters]

6. How many states counted when you wanted it over by Feb 5th?

[jenmito]

7. Then how do you explain THIS quote?:

"So from my perspective, you get up every day and you get out there and you make your case and you reach as many people as possible. That's what I intend to do, so I'm in it for the long run. It's not a very long run. It'll be over by February 5th."-Hillary Clinton

[high density]

8. Well where is the flag with two or three stars?

Because that's the country Clinton is whining for at the moment. We might want to put a star on there for PR as well, because we all know how important they are in the November election.

[JVS]

9. There are 26 letters in the alphabet and it isn't recited starting with M and F

[FredScuttle]

10. Hey Jim, what do you think about the OP?

[high density]

14. lol

I think if Krasinski ever makes a dumb move and leaves "The Office," Sudeikis would be an excellent replacement.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

25. I'd like to add

[gmudem]

32. Funny pic

But that's not the real Jim BTW. I'm an Office fanatic so I have to point that out. :)

[yardwork]

11. Memo to Hillary: Pound sand.

[Benhurst]

12. All sixty states should count.

[JimGinPA]

17. So You Want To Punish The 48 States That Followed The Rules?

Not penalizing FL & MI for breaking party rules sets a bad precident.

[calimary]

39. BRAVO!!!! Hey, here in California, we moved our primary, too. But We. Followed. The. RULES.

Why couldn't they? Ego? They thought it was unfair to them? How about the California primary formerly being one of the last (it used to be held in June)? We're bigger than Michigan and Florida, and because our population is so much bigger (along with our electoral college votes and our Congressional delegation), WE stand to be far more directly and intensely impacted by ANYTHING that's decided in Washington - and we played by the rules.

It IS unfair to the other 48 states - especially those that moved their primaries up - only as far as early February. And if we solve this problem so that, after willfully breaking the rules, Florida and Michigan still get seated fully and completely (as though nothing had happened), what will that say to other states in four years - figuring that they, too, can flout the rules and there will be no consequences?

I mean, haven't we had just about enough of the no-consequences part? Haven't we just about ridden that one straight down into Hell?

I apologize. I'll probably get flamed. But I have no sympathy for these people. They knew, up front, what would happen. The rules and the consequences for breaking them were clearly spelled out. (I have learned much about this from our own DUer madfloridian.) And they went ahead anyway. What's to be made of that? Does that make ANY difference at all?

[Jazzgirl]

61. You go gurlfriend!

[sandnsea]

18. Until Hillary can't win with the delegates

of those 50 states - then it's time for a mutiny and for Hillary's super posse to rule.

[PM7nj]

19. Except caucus states!

You forgot! They don't count!

[Hansel]

21. And small states. eom

[JVS]

22. And states that are "Black loaded" as one DUer has called some states

[QueenOfCalifornia]

33. !!!

:shrug:

[against all enemies]

20. Good - I liked that flag better.

[2rth2pwr]

23. Obama supporters don't even support his position on this.

[TahitiNut]

41. "It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything." (Hillary Clinton)

:nopity:

[2rth2pwr]

43. She was wrong.

[TahitiNut]

51. She's a self-serving, unprincipled hypocrite.

Plain and simple. :shrug:

[RiverStone]

24. They will count, after they pay the penality for breaking the rules....

Expect something like a delegate count cut in half - and they are damn lucky to get that after telling Howard Dean and the DNC to F-Off.

[GoldieAZ49]

26. 57 states according to Obama, not counting Alaska and Hawaii

I wonder what he considers those states to be?

Will he update the flag?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

[SoonerPride]

28. If that's all you got, you should really quit trying.

Really.

That was weak.

[GoldieAZ49]

45. Obama's statement, Obama is weak

if that is all he's got, he should really quit trying

[Blondbostonian]

34. Will you support the Democratic Nominee?

[SoonerPride]

35. I'd like to know that as well.

I smell pizza.

[RichardRay]

27. Another silly post...

are you and MethuenProgressive having some sort of a contest?

[DemGa]

29. Somehow they've turned counting all the states into an attack on Clinton

Bizarro-Obama world.

[TahitiNut]

42. "It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything." (Hillary Clinton)

:nopity:

[GarbagemanLB]

46. ANY RESPONSE, HILLARY SUPPORTERS?

[KSinTX]

30. In Clinton's own words

As the only top tier Democrat remaining on Michigan ballot, Clinton is all but guaranteed to win the state's primary. Michigan is tentatively slated to send 156 delegates to the 2008 Democratic National Convention, but national party officials have threatened to take away those delegates if the state persists in holding its primary on Jan. 15.

"It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything," Clinton said Thursday during an interview on New Hampshire Public Radio's call-in program, "The Exchange." "But I just personally did not want to set up a situation where the Republicans are going to be campaigning between now and whenever, and then after the nomination, we have to go in and repair the damage to be ready to win Michigan in 2008."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/11/AR2007101100859_pf.html

[DemGa]

37. Does this quote of Clinton's create the rules?

I was not aware of this fact. Are you pointing out actual rules or opinion of a viewpoint?

[KSinTX]

44. The OP wasn't about rules

if it was, it wouldn't have stated that "now with Florida and Michigan not counted we will need to go back to the 48 state flag". Hence an opinion piece, thus an opinion on an opinion.

[Clear Blue Sky]

31. Then why were the rules for MI and FL changed? Why did the candidates agree to those changes?

[dbmk]

40. Technically thats two issues you cover with your question

1) The DNC stripped them of their delegates for timing violations.

2) The candidates then signed a pledge not campaign there.

The candidates were not involved in metering out the punishment.
(If anything, Hillary prob had the most high profile backers among the ones that took the decision.)

[Clear Blue Sky]

53. Hillary presumed she would have enough delegates that this issue wouldn't matter.

So then it's the DNC's issue to figure out.

[breakaleg]

36. It your outrage was legit, this post would have been made months ago when the decision to strip

those states of their delegates was made.

[mkultra]

38. The only one that cant count is Hillary.

[milkyway]

47. Caucus states don't count.

[cornermouse]

48. You probably want to make that 48 partial stars.

As we've seen recently, men may be created equal but women still have a long way to go.

[THUNDER HANDS]

49. good...the 48 state flag is more symetrical anyway

;)

[quakerboy]

50. They all count

Unless you talk to Hillary's campaign. If we go by H=her, we would have to have a 35 star flag. Or, depending on when you asked, a 33 star flag, given her previous statements on FL and MI.

This is not a game that anyone wins.

[Vinca]

54. I agree. It's such a shame Hillary signed the agreement

that disenfranchised the voters of Florida and Michigan. Don't you think?

[yourguide]

55. talk to the dem leaders in FL and MI, they disenfranchised themselves.

[zulchzulu]

56. Heck, all murderers should be released too...

Who needs to follow rules anyway? I mean, if you don't follow the rules, you shouldn't be punished, right?

:sarcasm:

[Terri S]

57. Can you point me to your post back in Sept of 2007 where you experessed this?

Then you can point me to the same thought from Hillary Clinton back then. All I seem to find is her pledge to honor the DNC rules. I must say I'm truly touched to see such concern for my vote suddenly. :sarcasm:

[Fox Mulder]

58. All states count if they don't break the rules.

Or did you forget that?

[cottonseed]

59. They had the right to follow the primary rules.

They didn't.

[suston96]

60. But, but...the DNC rules violate the Democratic Party Charter -

- ALL members of the democratic Party must be guaranteed full and equal access to the nominating process.

Just as Congress and state legislatures cannot make any laws that violate their constitutions, so also the DNC cannot make rules violative of the Democratic Party Charter.

[Crunchy Frog]

62. Yes they count, but that doesn't mean that they have the right

to break the agreed upon rules in the primaries.

[tabasco]

63. H. Clinton, Dec. 30, 2007: "It'll be over by February 5th."

This must be a new found cause for Hillary.

Back then, she didn't give a shit about anyone who voted after February 5th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saBU6ux0hsQ

[anonymous171]

64. Well Hillary discounts all the caucus states, so take those off.

[Johnny__Motown]

65. I VOTED IN MICHIGAN STOP EXPLOITING MY VOTE FOR POLITICAL GAIN

We all knew ahead of time that there were no delegates at stake



Many people did not vote because they knew there were no delegates at stake.


What about them? You are trying to disenfranchise all of them.


Just deal with the fact that your cheating lying unelectable candidate lost and get on with your meaningless little life

[azmouse]

66. This is really, really boring.

HRC lost.

It's time to get behind Obama for President now and work on defeating McBush.