If Obama was a white candidate in the same position this race would be OVER!!!!

[bigdarryl]

I say it right now all this talk about he doesn't have the nomination wrapped up is because he is black. The man is 61 delegates short of getting the nomination by the rules of the party and the media and Clinton people act as if she can still get the nomination she gets all this sympathy only because her last name is Clinton. If Obama were white the race would be over in my opinion. Thats my observation of this primary

[muntrv]

1. I agree. Geraldine Ferraro is full of crap.

[xchrom]

2. if hill was a guy -- you wouldn't whine about her staying in. nt

[krawhitham]

5. want to bet

[xchrom]

11. do i think you'ld tell the truth? nt

[cliffordu]

23. She'd have been gone beofore Pa. If she were a man.

[xchrom]

32. she has all the votes she needs to stay right where she is and to keep going.

they'll send you a telegram when you get to make decisions for other people, btw.

[cliffordu]

36. If you close your eyes real tight and wish REAL HARD,

she might have a chance, too.

The nomination was hers to lose. She has. Get over it.

[xchrom]

45. she's not my candidate -- and you don't get to tell her what to do -- get over it. nt

[Johnny__Motown]

12. Not true, I got banned for going after Edwards for staying in to long. I have been much easier on

Hillary and I started calling for her to leave once she lost Wisconsin



The writing has been on the wall for quite a while, you need only read it.

[xchrom]

15. you didn't get banned from here, huh? -- hill has all the votes that

any candidate needs to stay right where she is.

[RaleighNCDUer]

28. She has all the votes she needs

to not have enough to win.

It's over. Take a nap. We'll wake you up for the GE.

[xchrom]

35. she has all the votes she needs to stay and fight it out -- and that's

all you need to know.

[RaleighNCDUer]

37. Fight what out?

There is no rational way to figure how she could possibly win the nomination. And if she's shooting for the #2 slot, she's really going about it the wrong way - I can just hear her saying "Senator Obama just doesn't have the experience and judgement to be President - and I would be proud to serve in his administration."

No fucking way.

[xchrom]

44. and you don't get to tell her what to do.

she has garnered a ton of votes -- and that's all the info she needs to keep going.

[Occam Bandage]

60. "All the X she needs to keep going" is a meaningless statement.

There's no threshold. She could "keep fighting" and "take it to the convention" with only one delegate, if she wanted to. That's pretty much what Ron Paul is doing, after all.

[xchrom]

62. but she has way, way more than one vote -- so it's not meaningless to her. nt

[RaleighNCDUer]

71. #2 ALWAYS garners a ton of votes.

#2 still loses.

That's the way democracy works. Don't like democracy? Become a republican.

[Johnny__Motown]

29. Yes. I got banned from here... this is a different screen name

[Occam Bandage]

57. I wouldn't go around mentioning that. It's explicitly against the DU rules to create new accounts

after being tombstoned.

[Raine]

16. If Hill was a guy she would've been

forced out long ago, just the way Edwards was.

[xchrom]

19. hill has all the votes she needs to stay and keep right on going.

edwards -- my candidate -- didn't show much on any richter scale.

[emilyg]

24. Nobody forced Edwards out

he wasn't getting votes.

[Bread and Circus]

38. Bullshit, if she were male she would have been kicked to the curb like Dean was

after his 3rd place showing in Iowa.

Hillary has survived on female allegiance and her husband's clout (not to mention his 100million+).

[xchrom]

46. she has all the votes she needs to keep going --

must be tough for you to feel so impotent.

[Bread and Circus]

67. You are just being stupid for saying something like that. I hope you are proud of yourself.

[xchrom]

69. i might be stupid -- but i'm smarter than you.

now, your mommy is calling you up from your basement -- she's made a p-nut butter sammy for you -- oh and a nice glass of milk.

you can warm your keyboard up again AFTER you've washed your hands.

musn't get mommy's p-nut butter on the key board.

[casus belli]

52. Actually, to be honest...I'd be much less patient. n/t

[Occam Bandage]

56. Bullshit. I believed Edwards needed to drop from the minute Iowa was called for Obama.

[LSK]

61. what does her sex have to do with her being a lobbyist loving warmonger???

:shrug:

[goletian]

72. you dont know what youre talking about. after 2 disastrous bush terms what hillary is doing is

inexcusable. regardless of sex. thats nothing but "feminist" chicken little bullshit. youre delusional.

[Darth_Kitten]

3. Oh, bull...........

If he were a female, he wouldn't have gotten this far.

[Johnny__Motown]

9. self delete, linked to wrong post

[Cant trust em]

14. My haven't you been the busy bee since February 1.

I guess that's right around the time that I started posting a lot too, so I must have assumed that you were a long timer too.

[krawhitham]

4. I anyone but Hillary had lost 13 contests in a row it would be over

[RazBerryBeret]

6. I think you are 100% correct.

and IMO....Hillary's name and sex have advanced her position.
I know I'll get flamed for this, but she can stand in front of a crowd and talk about how great it is to be a woman--how great it would be to have a woman President.
Obama can NOT rally his troops by saying it is time for a black man to be President.

[emilyg]

27. His wife can.

[Max_powers94]

7. I agree....better yet If Obama was losing they would have ended the race in Feb

[Evergreen Emerald]

8. So, I cannot remember the rules.

Is this only racist when a Clinton supporter says it?

[instantkarma]

10. Obama is a white candidate.

Barack Obama is just as much a "white" man as he is a "black" man. He is a white candidate and also a black candidate.

[bigdarryl]

17. BULL!!!!! he is mixed with black and in this society that means he's BLACK plain and simple

[instantkarma]

22. I prefer to think of him as an American.

You're talking about perception and I'm talking about biology.

[Unvanguard]

55. If you're "talking about biology", why are you talking about "race" at all?

Biologically, "black" as it exists in our society makes little sense.

[Cant trust em]

Except that he isn't perceived as a white candidate.

[patrice]

26. Thank You!! nt

[Poll_Blind]

13. I disagree. Wouldn't matter if he were ANY shade. Clinton's megalomania sees no...

...color, just opponents. The color and gender of their opponent determines how, for instance, they scorch the earth, but they're still going to scorch it.

PB

[Double T]

18. BO can't beat mccain in a GE. BO can't beat HRC in a GE.

BO isn't going ANYWHERE, except back to the Senate. Black, white or ANY OTHER color doesn't matter; BO has NOT got what it takes to be President. BO lacks a BELIEVABILITY FACTOR!

[emilyg]

30. You are right.

[RaleighNCDUer]

33. Have you changed you name, or are you a sockpuppet?

I KNOW I've see someone else with your exact same profile. Can't remember who, just that he was annoying and delusional too.

[Double T]

39. There are plenty of minion followers that will think and march lockstep.......

for your reading and commenting enjoyment. If YOU can't stand the REALITY of the latest NATIONAL POLLS, then I'm certain YOU won't like the outcome of the GE if your candidate is nominated. If I annoy YOU, tough! Delusion is believing that the guy that can NOT, can. Name is the SAME; next time don't forget IT!

[polmaven]

41. Do you check EVERYONE'S profile?

:shrug:

[RaleighNCDUer]

43. Nope, just the annoying ones.

I like to see who has how few posts for how many years, or how many posts in how few months. It helps me keep perspective, separating the trolls from the serious Democrats.

[VotesForWomen]

76. correct. nt

[IndianaJones]

20. sense when does whites control the democrat party? nt.

[Labors of Hercules]

21. actually...

he is 48 delegates away. This will be done in a week.

[bigdarryl]

25. Another example is all the media hype about Obama can't get the working whites is because he's black

Kerry and Bill Clinton didn't carry the so-called working whites either but there were no constant polling of them because they were not black like Obama.

[patrice]

31. True. nt

[IsItJustMe]

34. I think there is some truth to that arguement.

[Zodiak]

40. I completely disagree with the OP

Obama would be right where he is now if he were pure-blooded caucasian...wishing like hell he could scrape her scorched-earth ass off.

I think this whole fiasco is more of a function of Hillary's blind ambition than Obama's blackness.

[NC_Nurse]

42. I think it has more to do with the Clintons pulling strings in the party. They

still have power and are using every manipulation they can to change the reality that it's over.

[Toucano]

47. Don't think so.

I think you're underestimating the enthusiasm of Clinton's supporters.

Over 16 million people have voted for her.

[AtomicKitten]

48. Sadly I think there may be an element of that.

:(

[Beacool]

49. Wrong, if he was white he wouldn't even be running this year.

The party leaders would have told him to sit his butt back down in the senate and work on acquiring some actual experience before seeking the brass ring. This guy has gotten where he is thanks to the media drooling over him, they only started asking the tough questions after the Rev. Wright controversy became public. Who doubts that if he had been properly vetted he wouldn't have been defeated by Feb. 5th?

[question everything]

50. Right. Any other candidate, especially a woman coming out of barely two years

in the Senate would have been laughed out of the race before even starting.

The party leaders - mostly Ted Kennedy - loathed Bill Clinton who achieved what no other Democrat, including Kennedy, has: being elected and re-elected for the first time since FDR.

An unknown "Bubba" who came and took over Washington. Under whose administration the huge deficit was replaced with a surplus, and income increased across all economic levels. Who nominated two - OK, moderate - Supreme Court Justices that allow us to even dream on restoring the balance to the Supreme Court.

Ted Kennedy and Daschle cannot stomach this, never could. So they went in search of the un-Clinton candidate. Any candidate, and with their luck, they found a charismatic, articulate semi African American who is not Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, who has no track record - negative or positive - who has been careful not to say anything specific so that all of his supporters, especially young, inexperienced voters can project on him what they hope and who, if they actually show up in November, will be the first to be disappointed when they realize that no one can be everything to everyone.

[Beacool]

53. Exactly!!

The party is split in two and Obama is the tool of the left: Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi, etc. They not only propped Obama, but also bashed the Clintons in the process.

What they forget is that the country is not LW nor RW, the majority of people describe themselves as moderates. That is the reason why Bill Clinton was the only Democrat to be reelected since FDR.

[eridani]

59. Thanks for accepting the Repuke definition of "moderate"

Not. Anyone who trashes "the left" has no place on a Dem board.

[VotesForWomen]

77. yep, but nobody's allowed to say that. nt

[dsc]

51. Yeah we have never had virtually eliminated candidates stay in until the end

We didn't have Gary Hart stay in in 1984, we didn't have Jesse Jackson stay in in 1988, we didn't have Gerry Brown stay in in 1992, no none of that ever happened.

[truebluecollar]

54. And if Hillary were a man

he would have taken one for the team and done right thing like a stand-up guy.

[Orangepeel]

58. I don't know. I think it'd be over if he was running against anyone whose last name wasn't Clinton.

Personally, i think that's the issue. She went into the race with a lot of good will among Democrats and very high familiarity. Superdelegates are hanging back because they feel they owe bill and/or are scarred of retribution.

There's a reason many people assumed she was inevitable at the start and it's a testament to the strength of Obama's campaign that he beat her.

[rucky]

63. That's one of Hillary's cases for electability, isn't it?

Hard working white folks and all.

[MethuenProgressive]

64. I agree with your "If Obama were white the race would be over in my opinion."

He'd still just be a nobody junior Senator from nowhere.
But his history, his story, and the uniqueness of his candidacy,
are all a very large part of his appeal. It's dishonest to claim it is not.

[Doityourself]

65. And to that I say...Thank God for Obama...his uniqueness is a good thing..no more Clintons & Bushes!

[frickaline]

66. sorry but no.

Don't belittle this with the race card. Plenty of other primaries have gone until the convention. Hillary has every right to do what she's doing. It won't change the outcome. If she wants to break the bank on a fruitless cause that's her choice and her freedom.

[politicasista]

68. Mike Baisden and his callers said the exact same thing a couple weeks ago n/t

[suston96]

70. If Obama was a white candidate......he wouldn't be in this race.....he said so himself.....

Mr. Obama has pointedly acknowledged that he benefits from his race, noting last year that a new white senator from Illinois would hardly have stirred comparable interest or intrigue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/24/washington/24obama.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&adxnnlx=1205900977-7qz2FINroV037CY44ibn8w

[VotesForWomen]

75. he would have out before it even started. but we're not allowed to say that. nt

[Raine]

73. I agree

I think if he was Edwards it would've been declared over months ago and she'd be out.

[VotesForWomen]

74. it would have been over for Obama a long time ago, cuz he would have been out of the race in january

and by the way the "anybody who doesn't support O is a racist" card is noted.

[Vinca]

78. If Hillary's last name was Smith, the race would have been over

after 11 consecutive losses.