Politics_Guy25
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Thu May-29-08 01:12 PM
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Senator Obama should agree to a full seating of MI/FL as is |
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With the caveat that MI must be seated 69-59 as top Michigan democrats suggest. Sure, the magic number would then rise to 2,209 but I used the MI/FL scenarios at demconwatch. He's at 2082 right now with just 33 of Michigan's uncommitted. Give him 26 more Michigan delegates plus the 22 delegates he's likely to win in PR plus the 10 in Montana and plus the 9 in South Dakota, he gets up to 2160. He'll then need just 50 more superdelegates out of 224 to win the nomination, which shouldn't be too much of a problem. BTW, I get Senator Clinton up to about 2,015 delegates on June 3 using this full seating scenario. She'll then need 194 of 224 superdelegates to endorse her to win the nomination.
Not going to happen my friends.
Now, as far as the principle of it, sure I have issues with states who broke the rules being seated in full. I, however, look at the benefits of taking away Senator Clinton's most valuable talking points about "enfrachising" MI/FL as far outweighing intramural primary struggles. She'll no longer have a leg to stand on and she can't claim that anything was stolen from her.
Would she protest Obama getting 59 delegates from MI? I don't doubt it but I don't think any reasonable person would agree with her protests and MI's own democratic party would abandon her in that case.
Seat MI/FL exactly as is using MI's top democrats' suggestion. It will make Senator Clinton go away. She will still trail Senator Obama by 140 delegates. And. It. Just. Doesn't. Matter.
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Thu May-29-08 01:18 PM
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1. I totally agree, but it's not up to him. |
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The DNC has spoken and I don't think he can do anything about it.
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Politics_Guy25
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Thu May-29-08 01:22 PM
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2. I don't even get why she is so freaked about MI/FL |
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because she still can't win even with them.
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Thu May-29-08 02:46 PM
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9. popular vote/electability argument. |
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I know, it doesn't go by popular vote, but that's her case.
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Thu May-29-08 01:22 PM
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3. The DNC is going to punish FL/MI so that there isn't worse chaos in 2012. |
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They will be penalized by losing half their delegates.
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Thu May-29-08 01:23 PM
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4. The DNC rules don't allow for a full seating. Did you want to change the rules mid election? |
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The DNC's lawyers have already stated that the least they can penalize Michigan is 50%.
The least.
Its not up to Obama.
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Thu May-29-08 01:25 PM
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5. Your screen name is about one of the most ironic things I've ever seen on this board. |
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I mean, dripping with irony.
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Politics_Guy25
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Thu May-29-08 01:29 PM
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The point is taking away a cause celebre' of Senator Clinton's. I am looking at this from the pure politics of it. Not principle. Not's what right and wrong. Not 2012. I'm looking at what is the scenario most likely to end this primary next week with the party fully united around Senator Obama, the presumptive nominee.
If she loses even with MI/FL, she can't say to her supporters "I would have been the nominee if only your votes had been counted."
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Thu May-29-08 02:07 PM
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If they do that she will then lay claim to popular votes that go with them and use that as a basis to take this to the credentials committee. She will also use that as a psychological wedge.
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Thu May-29-08 02:20 PM
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The 'as is' = no delegates
Everything else is a negotiation.
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