That didn't take long, did it? Already we are blaming one group for preventing proigress for others.

[blondeatlast]

Here.

At DU.

A certifiably progressive Democratic website.

It isn't nearly that simple. We are falling for RW media spin.

Let's keep our "media is corrupt/lazy/manipulative" caps on--now more than ever, folks. The story is never as simple as they want you to believe.

It hasn't even been 12 hours yet. Don't let them win.

Thanks,

Mom (I raised you better than that!)

[babylonsister]

1. OK. Now, what are you talking about?

I have no idea. :shrug:

[blondeatlast]

2. African-Americans being responsible for the success of Prop 8.

70% of Whites voted for the measure--but we aren't hearing about that, are we?

[babylonsister]

4. Gotcha, thanks. I'm too happy to have that conversation. How could

anyone with a caring bone in their body vote for Prop. 8?

But I have a stepson and wife who are born again who refused to vote for Obama because of their pro-life stances. So I've got issues everywhere, ones that I will never get reconciled unless they fall out of love with that church.

Sigh. Battles everywhere.

But I'm too happy to have that conversation.

[dbackjon]

5. No you are fucking wrong

Whites voted AGAINST the measures.


Learn to read, moran.

[blondeatlast]

6. That was my point, fellow DUer. apparently nuance escapes you.

70% of Whites voted against it--a far more powerful voting bloc than AA.

But the media isn't telling us that, are they?

[ContinentalOp]

23. Where are you getting your numbers?

In two places on this thread you said that 70% of whites voted for it, and in this post you said 70% of whites voted against it. Neither number appears to be true. It looks like whites voted against it %52-48.

[LostinVA]

8. WTF is your problem???

The poster isn't a "moran" -- they are a GREAT DUer.

[Peregrine Took]

24. The first one to resort to incivility loses the argument - too much emotion -

not enough reason and logic.

[dsc]

15. that is a bald faced lie

If only whites had voted in California it would have gone down.

[ContinentalOp]

21. No, only 48% of whites voted for it. -nt-

[Ozma]

3. I think it's the proposition 8 issue in CA or other bigoted

election questions.

How can someone vote for Obama and vote DOWN rights of gay folks!!

[Ecumenist]

7. Frankly, as an AA woman, I know ALOT of other black folks

and I can truly say that I don't know ANY OF THEM that voted FOR that proposition, including a my best friend and her father a black baptist minister.

[blondeatlast]

10. With 70% of Whites voting for it--it would be easier to spot a White who voted for it

than an AA who did. That's just the simple math, but the media just isn't mentioning that, are they? :mad:

Now is the time to move forward. African American Civil rights came from an enormous, seemingly endless struggle (that sure as hell isn't over by any means); no reason to believe anyone else's will be easy, either.

[ContinentalOp]

22. Uh, yeah they aren't mentioning it because it isn't true. Whites voted AGAINST it. -nt-

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. If only African Americans were 3/5th people, everything would be better.

Yeah, it's like when gays were scapegoated for the 2004 loss.

The good news is it's a great way to identify trolls.

[blondeatlast]

12. Sadly, I'm seeing a lot of Uers I thought were way smarter than this falling for this tripe--

and even starting entire threads about it. :mad:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. I'm only seeing people I've figured were trolls for some time now.

[Liberalatus]

17. I shouldn't laugh

but that was funny on some demented level

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

11. That's what Democrats excel at!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

13. It looks like there was a definite generational aspect to it.

So why aren't DUers blaming old people?

[blondeatlast]

16. Cuz the MSM won't go there. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Sigh...

Hey, neighbor--I just found out I'll be moving to Cologne, Germany in March (still hoping to delay until the kid is out of school for summer).

I really want to meet the locals I haven't yet before I go. Interested in a meetup?

[AtomicKitten]

18. I blame the Mormons that funded the yes-on-8 campaign.

They funded TV commercials that were deceptive and preyed on fear.

[blondeatlast]

19. Funny how we never seem to cast the blame on those that drafted the measures, fund it,

publicize it, and get the signatures to put it on the ballot.

It's always one group of Democrats who are responsible for the defeat of anything (even though it rarely is).

As an Arizonan who saw Proposition 102 pass after we defeated a similar prop in 2004 I share your belief in where the blame lies. Our Prop was defeated in 2004 because folks thought it would allow plural marriage; this year they specifically said "one man/one woman" and the Normons and fundies turned out in droves to vote for it--to McCain's delight. :mad:

Thanks for the sanity.

[DevonRex]

20. And we hesitate to talk about the churches who have such a hold

on segments of the population. Different churches, in different ways, bully and frighten their congregations. Just think about it. Mormons, Catholics, evangelicals, Baptists, and the list goes on and on. That's the root of the problem.

[ecstatic]

25. Thank you for this thread. I logged on to DU to celebrate

Obama and then I saw all the nasty threads trying to blame blacks and hispanics for Prop 8 passing. Blacks are 10% of Cali's electorate, hispanics, 19%... I'm not sure about the Asian percentage, but obviously the vast majority of the voters were white (even if the percentages were lopsided). Not to mention, similar bigoted ballot measures passed in AZ and AR, where blacks did not play a role at all.

I don't understand why some DUers feel the need to try to rile up hate and racial tension here of all places. It's just very disappointing but I see it time and time again around here so I wasn't going to bother to say anything.

[Raineyb]

26. So did I.

Unfortunately, the blame post was the first thing I saw. It's been dominating the conversation ever since. <sigh>

Regards

[SunsetDreams]

27. Very well said Truth Hurts, thank you :)

[blondeatlast]

28. Yup--that point glares at this Zonie who campaigned hard for Obama and against our

own Prop H8 (102).

I'm deep into a thread now started for no other reason than to spread the fallacy that African Americans and Latinos are responsible for Prop H8 passing and it makes me ill that I must on a progressive board.

Ccivil rights belong to all of us or they don't really belong to any of us. Two steps forward but a long, long way to go.