Simple question: Will Palin be a threat in 2012?

[ecstatic]

If for no other reason but her gender?

[BlueManDude]

1. She's a threat to the GOP.

[yurbud]

5. you beat me to it. Demographics are working against GOP. the angry white man shtick

isn't going to get them very far anymore.

[BlueManDude]

30. that's why they are trying to permanently cripple her - not that she doesn't deserve it.

[BlooInBloo]

2. Sarah *who*?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

3. I answered I don't know. If they repackage her like they did Reagan then maybe.

It all depends in what shape the country is by then. She's definately got the lunatic vote locked up.

[ecstatic]

14. hmm on cspan a caller said in 2016 she might be able to

snag it. I think it would take at least 8 years for most people to forget about her blunders.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

31. Which is fucking frightening. One thing though and I don't mean it in a sexist way

(but a lot of her followers are sexist pricks) is that in 8 years her looks which is the biggest thing she's got going will not be the same. I don't mean she won't be agood looking older woman but she won't have the same youthful look that gave everyone from Rich Lowry to Bill Kristol hard ons.

[TwilightGardener]

4. She's a joke now, and the saner heads of the GOP are trying to kill this baby in the cradle, so

to speak.

[Auggie]

7. Agree. People know she's a fraud.

[yurbud]

9. If they kill the darling of their slavering mob, they are left with the votes of hedge fund managers

kind of like the DLC, a group with a lot of money but few actual voters who like them.

[TwilightGardener]

21. Well, they're going to have to decide whether to become a more moderate

party that places SOME value on intelligence and education and tolerance, or devolve even further into Limbaugh/Hannity/Dobson world. Will be interesting to watch.

[Auggie]

24. Excellent point. Plus, their core will be 4 to 12 years older than what

voted for chimp or McCain. Maybe they'll grow up.

They'll lose a lot of their conservative seniors too.

[yurbud]

41. as moderates, they will have little ground to stand on

[saigon68]

69. The Limbaugh/Hannity/Dobson world

Is basically hell on earth
If you are not a right wing NUT JOB

[frickaline]

6. People have short memories

If she is reinvented and doesn't say anything ridiculously stupid, maybe. Certainly an uphill battle for her in any case.

[Auggie]

10. Bet you at this very moment there are repuke think tanks hashing out

viable repuke candidates for 2012 -- and Palin isn't on the list.

[saltpoint]

60. I agree. I don't see the GOP power brokers turning to someone

who doesn't know the countries involved in the NAFTA agreement.

Or who doesn't care enough to look it up.

[colonel odis]

17. i agree. she can reinvent herself. she can study up on things. if she comes back

prepared and having learned from her mistakes, she could be a formidable force in the GOP's 2012 battle.

however, crazy will out.

[dissemination]

51. and she is fighting back on this latest attack. I expect

she will come out strong.


we will see.

[blueclown]

8. Yes.

But our job is to make sure she is discredited even more over the next 4 years so her credibility is literally zero.

[Historic NY]

11. only to polar bears & wolves

[mdkilkenny]

63. agreed

[saltpoint]

12. If the fundie nutbags coalesce behind Palin, they get what they pay for.

She's a disaster.

Even to the fundies.

Huckabee or Romney or several others would have been sturdier picks for McCain, but he went with Caribou Barbie and the wheels just came off.

The fundamentalist Christians cannot on one hand claim adherence with Christ's directive that the hungry be fed and the naked be clothed while on the other hand support a woman with a $150,000-plus monthly clothing budget.

[treestar]

13. No and I wish people would see that idea is absurd and quit

promoting it.

Phailin does not have what it takes, especially to overcome having been on a losing ticket. Further, she is so obviously responsible for the repuke loss that the repuke party will want to have nothing to do with her. Four years is a while. New idiots will loom on the horizon. They'll probably try to find a black one.

[blm]

15. No. The BIG money people will not allow their agenda in her hands. If Bush wasn't GHWBush's

son, they wouldn't have allowed or trusted HIM in that spot, either.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

16. Other:

[Kelvin Mace]

18. Here's the scenario:

The two contenders in 2012 will be Romney and Palin. No matter who wins, the GOP loses.

Pro-business conservatives will back Romney, sit out Plain. Evangelicals will never vote for a Mormon, will sit out Romney.

Democratic landslide on par with Reagan's.

[Freddie Stubbs]

23. Don't forget about Bobby Jindal

But 2012 is a long time away. Few people at this time in 2004 would have predicted an Obama presidency in 2009.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

34. Jindal won't toss his hat in if it looks like a losing effort.

If Obama does his job and gets us on the right track, he'll be untouchable in 2012. Jindal's not dumb. He'll wait til 2016.

[Kelvin Mace]

38. Jindal isn't as religously insane as Palin

and he isn't a "hot" woman that gets redneck men aroused.

[WinkyDink]

19. We should all live so long. Who cares about her??

[WhollyHeretic]

20. She is a real threat to splinter the GOP. That's why some are trying to discredit her.

She isn't the only reason they would splinter but she is sure a good rally point for the religious fucknuts

[saltpoint]

22. Palin will be forced to walk the plank so the rest of the pirates

can pretend it wasn't their fault.

Rather than undergo a very necessry self-examination, I think Republicans will take the easy way out and blame Sarah Palin as the root of their difficulties instead of being tough and brave and acknowledging her as the symptom of their difficulties.

A Sarah Palin rises in the first place because her Party is inherently sick and twisted.

[Rockholm]

25. Palin Who? She is already a has-been.

[nyc 4 Biden]

26. I hope so.

It will be best for us if she becomes a mainstay of the GOP's future.

[Sinistrous]

27. Amen to that.

Another Palin candidacy will ensure the swan dive of the GOP into total irrelevancy.

That creature is as useless to humanity as anyone else on earth.

[LoKnLoD]

28. She will be..

She will be Queen of Alaska after it secedes.

[theboss]

29. I want everyone to imagine Palin in a debate with Gingrich or Giuliani or Romney

She has never been through a tough primary on a national stage. She's never had to deal with the political assasins that work for the top candidates.

The Dems treated her with kid gloves and let the media do the job on her. Biden was afraid to say anything cross to her in their one debate.

The Republicans won't feel that way when Iowa starts.

[Occam Bandage]

32. Look at the concerted Republican effort to destroy her. That is not something that is done

to rising stars.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

33. She'll run, but she's no threat. (nt)

[Donald Ian Rankin]

35. I think it unlikely.

She will be able to energise the conservative base, but not to reach out to anyone else. I doubt the GOP will pick her, and I doubt she'll be a threat even if they do.

Also - although I feel awful for pointing it out - I think it not improbable that her eldest daughter will be a single mother by then, which will probably hurt her even with her base.

Still, an awful lot can happen in four years, so I wouldn't rule it out.

[rasputin1952]

36. She's already seen as a liability...

Nothing to worry about in this instance.

[Two Sheds]

37. To Whom?

She's no threat to be elected President.
The only threat she presents is to the GOP. If nominated, she will complete the task of turning them into a one region/one race/one gender party.

[torgos_pizza]

39. I strongly encourage Republicans to vote for Palin in 2012

And to assert that America is a 'Christian Nation'.

The reason is simple- drive the Republicans to the radical right wing, they will NOT regain power.
They will be seen as an irrational party filled with mentally ill people, unfit to lead.

Only if the moderate Republicans reclaim the party and drive out the loony Christian fringe, could the Republicans regain the presidency- which is why we should support the dominance of the Christian right within the Republican Party.

[adigal]

40. I pray she is their nominee!!! Easy victory for Obama! n/t

[Catchawave]

42. I voted yes because of the polls....

Remember Rasmussen who did predict Obama's win?

Let 2012 begin :silly:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2012/69_of_gop_voters_say_palin_helped_mccain

:hi:

[saltpoint]

43. I could see a Romney-Huckabee fight for the nom, or the same two

forging an alliance to close off funding sources to Palin.

Palin is up north and far away, and god knows, incredibly stupid.

Romne and Huck made lots of pals on the fried chicken circuit, and have many more IOUs from county Republicans.

I think that's to their distinct advantage going into 2012 over Palin.

[Alcibiades]

44. She won't win the nomination

Lest anyone forget, the only reason she was on the ticket was because she was selected by McCain in a fit of some sort. If that hadn't happened, no one would have ever heard of her. She torpedoed McCain's already sinking ship.

No way she can win the nomination.

[JPettus]

45. Let's be serious

If things don't go well or at least significantly better in the next four years....
If the Republican Noise Machine can significantly blame those events on the Democrats...
If we have another significant security lapse in the next four years....

Then the Repukes have a chance, and that includes the one person so far that gets the religious bigot vote energized, whether the GOP likes it or not.

[zulchzulu]

46. Sarah Palin is Kathleen Harris 2.0

Both will have been under the bus for some time.

[Sancho]

47. She will be a threat to the local wildlife in Alaska!

If you are a bear, wolf, or moose: look out!

[saltpoint]

48. Palin is ambitious but so is Romney. So is Huckabee.

So is Jindal.

Those 4 names come to mind at first pass, but there are likely others.

Michael Bloomberg, IMO, is one of those others.

I don't think a case can be made that Bloomberg's chances are less than Palin's. The fat-cat corporate GOP power brokers are likely a lot more enthused about a Bloomberg candidacy than about a Palin candidacy.

Bloomberg speaks their language -- the language of cash registers and banks' conference rooms.

Palin is a product of beauty pageants who may or may not whip up the fundies. These 2 wings of the Republican Party have never really, truly been friends, and IMO they are less likely to be friends from this point forward.

Point being, if Bloomberg is added to the equation, Palin's star dims a bit more.

[Dappleganger]

49. No, I don't think so.

By that time the Republicans will have figured out that she is an old face and too stupid to run.

/s/

[Canuckistanian]

50. No. There WILL be some scandals

Egomaniacs like Palin just can't help themselves.

It's tragic, really.

[pipi_k]

59. That's what I think too

Four years is a long time, politically speaking

Who knows what manner of mischief she could get into?

And like you said...she just won't be able to help it.

I'm not worried by her...

[DailyGrind51]

52. Only to polar bears and wolves!

[saltpoint]

53. And at some point, this woman would have to hold a serious press conference

and not these cakewalks at FOX News.

A team of top-level GOP fixers worked with her this fall and obviously it had no effect whatsoever.

Note also that the remedy for her stupidity was allopathic -- a team of people assigned to "educate her" and bring her up to speed -- and notably, not a goal she chose for herself initially before she became governor and even AFTER she was named to the ticket.

She was by all counts categorically disinterested in learning one damn thing that might have made her more competitive and more formidable as a political figure.

I don't like Mike Huckabee very much at all. But at least the fool can read and will make associative conclusions about actual facts.

There's not a lick of that in Gov. Palin.

[No Elephants]

54. Possibly. The base still love her. She can use these 4 years to prepare. All the stuff that came

out about her this time will be a yawn. She'll know to cut down the negativity. Her IQ will not be any higher, but she may learn how to disguise that.

My bottom line, though, is that I am hoping that both Obama and Congress do so well on getting us out of Bush's ditch and winning over voters that he will be re-elected easily. That is what I would rather pray for.

Why do you ask?

[galaxy21]

55. I think she's tainted now

The Africa thing will follow her around for the rest of her career.

[saltpoint]

56. In this morning's New York TIMES, Nicholas Kristof

gives us Obama's election win as a triumph of the intellectual after 8 years of anti-intellectual leadership under Bush et al.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/09/opinion/09kristof.html?_r=1&em&oref=slogin

Kristof cites John Kennedy as our last intellectual president, as the last president who assertively and publicly valued expansive minds as public officials.

The stem cell debate in our country is a pretty good example of why the Kennedy/Obama models are superior to the Bush model, and if that is so -- if it is so in the world marketplace and in the world library of ideas -- then Sarah Palin will face an uphill climb to the Republican nomination in 2012.

I think Obama's first term will be as well-run and as successful as his campaign for the White House, and so any Republican automatically faces a steep climb.

I think stupid Republicans face an even steeper climb than that, and that demographic would certainly include Sarah Palin.

[Mark E. Smith]

57. The loon faction of the GOP will nominate her in 2012

... guaranteeing Barack Obama's re-election.

[Bluenorthwest]

58. Best insurance against Palin

may be donations to the Democratic Party of Alaska, as well as to all Demcratic candidates in Alaska as the need arises.

[saltpoint]

61. I think Romney will run and run hard because it is likely his last shot

at the job.

Huck could outmaneuver him, but Jindal is just too creepy for the Puke base and Palin is just not up to Romney's white-hot ambition, IMO.

I don't think a successful President Obama has much to worry about in any of the potential GOP nominees.

[Overseas]

62. She was already a threat to the Democratic candidate's life in 2008.

According to the Secret Service, death threats against Obama increased after her rallies stirred up the GOP hate troops, so she's definitely already been a threat.

Who knows what else the GOP aka Republican Party will be doing in the next four years to stir up hatred and build up the Christian Taliban vote.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

64. Too much baggage (no pun intended regarding Todd's 13 designer suitcases

full of silk underpants). Palin already has a ton of things that opponents can pick on and she'll probably accumulate even more in the next four years. And if she runs for the Presidency as opposed to the Vice Presidency, she will become a much bigger target.

I think the Republicans will find another less-examined religio-fascist dunce to run, whether male or female. It's not like there's a shortage. They have them growing on trees.

[saltpoint]

65. If Obama is as successful as I think he will be in his first term, the GOP

will be forced to try to unseat an unseatable sitting president. Obama would have the incumbent's natural advantage plus the momentum of his successes.

In which case the Pukes could run almost anybody and still not win.

But Palin would have to unofficially relocate to the lower 48 states to mount a competitive bid for the GOP nomination. You'd see her at chicken dinners and fish fries in Des Moines and Cedar Falls, plus the obligatory Young Republicans rallies in Iowa City.

But Huckabee, a Protestant minister, is going to be a formidable opponent to Palin. They'll have to compete for a lot of the same votes in the conservative "values" churches.

If Palin can't raise more money than Huckabee for the Iowa caucus, if she is shown to be vacuous versus his pastor's credentials on their common faith, and if she can't match his residual organization that propelled him to a win in January of 08, I think she's cooked right out of the gate.

[Rocknrule]

66. I propose we require her to take grades K-12 over again

before letting her run for any office

She can be Billy Madison's twin sister

[Imagevision]

67. By the time theGOP get thru with her she'll be lucky to keep her Govenor job...

[regnaD kciN]

68. Yes...but a threat to which party?

:shrug:

[mvd]

70. A threat to their party, yes

LOL

[Dr Fate]

71. We should all constantly pretend that we are TERRIFIED of her. n/t

n/t