Billy Graham Won't Advise Obama, Son Mentions Strong Pro-Abortion Position

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Billy Graham Won't Advise Obama, Son Mentions Strong Pro-Abortion Position

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
November 7, 2008
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Respected Christian preacher Billy Graham has been an advisor and spiritual helper to presidents dating back to President Eisenhower. He is ending that relationship due to his age and health concers.

Meanwhile, Graham's son mentioned Obama's pro-abortion position as a problem.

Graham's health is the main reason for the decision, his son Franklin Graham told the Associated Press.

"My father feels like his time and day for that is over," Franklin Graham said. "But he would certainly like to meet (Obama) and pray with him."

Franklin also expressed concerns about Obama's abortion position -- something he mentioned to the senator during the campaign as a problem.
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Life News (Take with a truckload of salt)

I can understand Graham's health beign at issue. I don't buy the abortion shit because Obama's position on the issue is essentially identical to Bill Clinton's. Franklin Graham may be positioning himself, or there might be other reasons. To understand those other reasons, try to figure out what the difference between Bill Clinton and Barack Obama really is.

[Breeze54]

1. "Graham's health is the main reason for the decision" LMAO! Obama told him

to take a flying leap!! At least I hope he did! :P

Hey Graham? Your rein of supposed influence is OVER!! Ba-bye! :hi:

[trumad]

2. Billy is the guy who supposedly converted W.

That worked out great. :eyes:

[Ian David]

23. No, it was the guy who does "Bathroom conversions" where you flush all your drugs. n/t

[gauguin57]

86. No ... Billy Graham denied W's story about his part in W's conversion!

He said it didn't happen the way W always described it. That was proof positive to me that W's "conversion" was as much a Potemkin Village as that phony-ass ranch of his.

[NashVegas]

3. Was He Asked To?

[JI7]

4. GOOD

[TheCoxwain]

5. Fuck him ......religious bullshit masters should have no role in government

So good riddance to bad rubbish .


This is a change we need

[Political Tiger]

6. "Strong Pro-Abortion Position"

Bull! More religious-Reich LIES! Obama is not "pro-abortion," he is PRO-CHOICE!

[Left Is Write]

84. Thank you. "Pro-abortion" is a right-wing term and not based in reality.

[SoonerPride]

97. The other side has an ANTI-WOMAN position

and that's not an exaggeration.

[JI7]

7. Bill Clinton had the same position on abortion as Obama

and he advised Clinton . not that i care and would probably prefer he not advise Obama.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

16. That's what I was going to post. Clinton is the same. Why did he advise Clinton but not Obama?????

Sounds fishy to me.

[Beacool]

53. Billy also said that he had a soft spot for Hillary and was rooting for her.

He probably would have advised her if she had won the election.

[knixphan]

60. seconded.

[Coexist]

85. my thoughts exactly.

[BeyondGeography]

8. Keee-rist...just go shack up with the fundy party and leave us alone

:eyes:

[AZSlacker]

9. Oh jeez.. I'm just overcome with dissapointment over this.. I think I'll go cut myself

:eyes:

[jaxx]

10. Pretty damned christian of him, isn't it?

[Doughboy71]

11. Graham is a registered Democrat

And 90 years old. Can't his reason be that he wants to retire?

[yardwork]

68. Then why mention abortion at all?

[Clio the Leo]

12. Obama can read and is probably more intelligent than Graham anyway ..

..... he'll be just fine.

[fujiyama]

13. Franklin Graham is a nut case and much more radical than his father

who was not nearly as extreme. He's more in line with Dobson and that ilk.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

17. Do you think this is Franklin putting words into Billy's mouth? Could be.

[Poiuyt]

43. That's the way I read it

It sounds like Billy's son is setting the agenda now

[Hieronymus]

49. Yes, Franklin is a wingnut crazy.

[Sheets of Easter]

96. Absolutely.

I can't believe it took this many responses for someone to see that.

[YDogg]

18. true. i believe franklin graham is set to veer to the far right as soon as his father is gone

[Medusa]

42. I think Franklin Graham is speaking for himself

and is using his father's name---and his reputation--to advance himself. Billy is probably clueless as to what Frankie boy has been saying and atributing to him.

[rebel with a cause]

87. Yeah, I use to have some respect for Billy

but as he got older and his son took over, things were bizarrely different. I could see a big difference in the ministry.

[AllentownJake]

14. My grandfather used to say this about Graham

Jesus preached barefoot and sandals. Graham preaches in nice silk suits.

[tekisui]

15. Good! Who the fuck needs him?

[POAS]

19. As Olbermann said

"Who cares what they say, they are irrelevant now"!

[NotThisTime]

63. Indeed... bye bye now... don't buy the whole pro-abortion thing when he matches Clinton's opinion

[wellst0nev0ter]

20. No, The Real Reason Is That Obama Is Too Jew-Loving (n/t)

[slampoet]

26. Exactly. Graham's anti-semitic ass is not welcome anyway in Obama's admin.

He and Nixon never got enough flack for their white house recording.

[Doctor_J]

21. Obama's pro-abortion?

Has Michelle ever had one? Any of Barack's old girl friends had one (like W's did?)

[genna]

47. Even if that is sarcastic, it is none of our business N/T

Every woman or wife should not have to answer that question! It is a life altering decision that is none of our business.

[emilyg]

58. Mind your own business.

[rucky]

79. Obama's had, like 12, himself.

He had one last Wednesday to celebrate his victory.

I heard it on the internets.

[dascientist]

22. SEPARATION OF "CHURCH"/RELIGION AND STATE PLEASE!!!!

[indie_voter]

33. No kidding. Enough with the public displays of religiosity by elected officials. n/t

[Faygo Kid]

24. This isn't Billy Graham, it's his hate-filled son Franklin making this call.

I'm no fan of Billy Graham, but it's obvious here that he's being played by his son.

How his son turned out is condemnation enough of Billy Graham for me.

[mmonk]

25. Good. Let's go back to our secular beginnings.

[olegramps]

27. Arrogant Assholes!

If I was seeking advice on any matter, especially religious in nature, the last person I would listen to would be any religious leader. Everyone of them is the product of brainwashing that has left them believing that their religion is the true one. These people talk like they had gone on a guided excursion of heaven and are on a first name basis with God Himself when in reality they woke up on this earth not knowing anything more their origin than well trained gorilla.

[susu369]

28. "Respected Christian preacher Billy Graham"

That's a matter of opinion.....

[Ganja Ninja]

95. Noted Anti-Semite is also applicable. n/t

[MattBaggins]

29. Whoopdie dooooo.

Let me put this on the top of my "couldn't care less" list Billy.

[frickaline]

30. That's right Billy, keep those women barefoot and preggers

Oh that's right, you AREN'T the democratically elected president. My mistake. In that case, don't let the door hit you on the way out, you sexist scum.

By the way Billy, how do you have 2 children when you are pro-abortion?

[ej510]

31. Hopefully president Obama will pray privately. If this campaign proved anything it is that you

should attend church in private without cameras.

[gmoney]

32. This is a pre-emptive rejection

Billy saving his pride by rejecting Obama first, rather than waiting by a telephone that never rings.

WTF does Billy Graham have to offer ANY clear-thinking individual?

[sub.theory]

34. Gee, what a loss...

...how will we ever manage without Graham?

:eyes:

[kevinds13]

35. Country First, eh?

:rofl:

[L0oniX]

36. It'sa just religious asscarrots trying to get their names back in the lime light ...fuck them

[ilrslr3]

37. Did he advise Clinton

because Clinton is pro-choice as well?

[Riddler]

38. Screw him. The last thing needed is a "religious" advisor who only represents one religion.

Besides, all the "advising" he did with the criminal Bush went a long way towards having a more tolerant government and healing this country, didn't it.....NOT!

[mbee]

39. Maybe Obama could tell them that we Democrats have

a problem with a party who doesn't support humane treatment of our citizens with healthcare, food, clothing, housing and decent jobs. Also, we have many persons being born every day around the world who ultimately starve to death. We must take a pledge to take care of persons who are born and just not leave them to fend for themselves.

[mitchum]

40. Fuck the Grifting Grahams

Obama doesn't need those mountebanks

[TexasObserver]

41. Billy Graham is still alive?! I thought he died 20 years ago.

Maybe I was fooled by the smell.

Fuck him, fuck his son, and fuck anyone who thinks Billy Graham's opinion matters.

[Mariana]

70. I guess God isn't in such a rush to have him.

[TexasObserver]

90. If everything Billy Graham has said about the judgment is true, he's goin' to hell!!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

44. Oh no say it ain't so. How will I be able to sleep.?

:rofl:

[volstork]

45. When are people going to let go

of this "pro-abortion" BS? Almost no one is "pro-abortion." There are essentially two factions: pro-choice and anti-choice. Abortion could be VASTLY reduced by increased availability of and education about contraception, something that many in the "anti-choice" faction counterintuitively oppose.

[LynnTheDem]

46. WTF is "pro-abortion"????

:eyes:

[HughMoran]

48. Fuck him

Who needs him.

[vanderBeth]

50. Some more good news!

[Lex]

51. Okay, did Obama ask for Graham's advice? Graham has proven himself to be an anti-Semite.

I don't think Obama is seeking such a man's advice.

[AwakeAtLast]

52. And Obama will lead just fine without his advise

I don't think he will miss it.

[WCGreen]

54. That supposes that Obama wanted to speak with Graham...

His son is no better...

[eshfemme]

55. Why does Obama need Billy Graham's advice?

I'm confused. :shrug:

[ecstatic]

56. I don't get those who want a heavy handed approach to such personal issues

I think when it comes to a baby--what's meant to be will be. There are no accidents or random pairings.

[democracy1st]

57. His son is lying his butt off !!

[firedupdem]

59. He's a lying piece of crap. Same position as Clinton..... n/t

[jobycom]

61. That's Billy Graham the anti-Semite and slanderer?

In the taped conversation, Mr Graham said the Jewish "stranglehold" on the media "has got to be broken or this country's going down the drain".

"You believe that?" Nixon replies.

"Yes, sir."

"Oh boy. So do I. I can't ever say that but I believe it," Nixon says.

"If you get elected a second time, then we might be able to do something," Mr Graham replies.

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Billy Graham, same taped conversation: A lot of Jews are great friends of mine. They swarm around me and are friendly to me, because they know that I am friendly to Israel and so forth, but they don't know how I really feel about what they're doing to this country, and I have no power and no way to handle them.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1850077.stm

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Almost as bad, this conversation was reported even before the tapes were declassified, and Graham lied about it for decades, swearing it never happened and calling the man who reported it a liar. Forget who it was, but he died being slandered by Graham.

So Obama has no need of instruction from a hate-filled bigot and liar. That's what he needs to fight, not embrace.

[No Elephants]

64. Wow. I never knew that about Billy Graham. "Spiritual" advisor? Sounds as though he was

encouraging a President to violate the Constitution. How is that spiritual again? Jesus never advocating breaking of secular law. To the contrary, he said, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's."

[busybl]

62. his son is crazy as a bedbug.

[Hekate]

65. I think this part is very true: "My father feels like his time and day for that is over"

As far as I am concerned, this is the nub of it. I think it has nothing to do with racism or anything else-- Rev. Billy Graham is very old and unwell, and is giving up something he has done for about 50 years. He clearly loved being close to power, and loved being a spiritual advisor to the powerful. He became kind of an institution, too.

My comments do not mean I share his worldview, simply that I do not see him as rejecting Barack Obama, but merely acknowledging that his own place on the world stage is over now.

>Graham's health is the main reason for the decision, his son Franklin Graham told
> the Associated Press.
>
> "My father feels like his time and day for that is over," Franklin Graham said.
> "But he would certainly like to meet (Obama) and pray with him."

Hekate

[Cha]

66. Fuck the son..he's a damn

liar.

[Bake]

67. Nice to see all the venom in this thread.

Some people cannot distinguish between Billy Graham and his whack-job son Franklin.

Billy turned 90 last week. He's in failing health, having suffered a fall recently. I think he has Parkinson's also. His beloved wife Ruth is gone. Some of you need to show a little CLASS and back off.

A lot of Christians, including THIS ONE, voted for Obama and have been faithful Democratic voters. You want to throw US out of the party too?

Bake

[TexasObserver]

69. He and his son are both scum bags.

I don't know why you think we should avoid calling rightwing religious hacks names.

Those two sully the name of Jesus with their vile misuse of him and his legacy.

[Bake]

71. Maybe because you don't know what you're talking about.

Name-calling is a poor substitute for intelligent discourse.

Bake

[TexasObserver]

73. I know exactly what I'm talking about. They're both the wolves in sheep's clothing Jesus warned of.

And if you knew what Jesus said, you'd know that.

YOU are slavishly devoted to two men who have shit on everything Jesus stood for.

[Bake]

92. Two men? Show me where I said that.

I said Franklin is a "whack-job." Which he is.

On the other hand, I met Billy Graham back in the 70s, when I was in the seminary. From that meeting, my personal impression is that he was and is an honest, sincere man. Now, I challenge YOU: show ONE - JUST ONE - instance of Billy Graham being involved in a financial sham (e.g., Jim Bakker and Heritage USA). Show me JUST ONE incicdent of Billy Graham being involved in some sexual episode (e.g., Jimmy Swaggart, Ted Haggard, etc. ad infinitum). Has he taken money to finance a lavish lifestyle? Nope. Lives in a middle class home in NC. Never was extravagant, and neither was his wife Ruth.

Billy Graham has preached the gospel to more people than any other person in the history of Christianity. He was never a faith healer pretender. His message has always been a simple one: the love of God in Christ.

Has he been perfect? Hardly. No one is. He would be the first to tell you that he is a sinner saved by the grace of God. Who among us - you included - has never needed forgiveness?

And as for whether I know the words of Jesus, I seriously don't think you want to argue that with me.

Bake

[mitchum]

82. Billy Graham was just a grifter with great stage presence...

his piece of shit son doesn't even have the stage presence

[TexasObserver]

89. I remember seeing Billy Graham and Oral Roberts on TV in the 50s lying for dollars.

Billy Graham is a pompous, arrogant, soulless flim flam man.

And his son is less.

[Bake]

93. Judge not, lest you be judged.

Why all the venom?

Bake

[ddeclue]

72. and I really care what Billy Graham has to say???

:shrug:

who cares?

Why does this ego-maniac think that every President for the last 50 years has needed to kiss his ring?

Bye bye Billy..

[dbackjon]

74. Good. Keep those intolerant creeps as far away from Obama as possible

[dave29]

75. For the record, I stopped advising BIlly Graham years ago

so this is not my fault

[XOKCowboy]

76. So we can't expect the divine hand of (Billy Graham's) God like we have the last 8 years?

It did us soooo much good then. Oh and don't forget about his buddy Nixon.

[Fire1]

77. I didn't know Graham was the designated 'White House minister?'

Rev. T.D. Jakes, would work. I can't think of any others right off hand, but I'm sure there are many.

[SoCalDem]

78. and Obama WEPT...

:rofl:

Imagine his supreme disappointment when he learned that that old Zombie would not be "blessing" his administration:)

[Fire1]

80. LOL!

[AtomicKitten]

81. Graham? Ya, that's a shame.

[Zomby Woof]

83. Truman was right on

Graham tried paying him a visit, and Truman had the WH staff promptly escort him off the grounds. He firmly and correctly believed that Graham was a con artist.

So that is why he worked his snake oil on Eisenhower and on.

[anigbrowl]

88. Good...the less religion teh better

Frankly I think the Obama family should pick a church that suits them and attend it privately. 'white House Prayer Breakfasts' and the like should be consigned to the dustbin of history.

[snake in the grass]

91. Billy Graham Won't Advise Obama...

...and nobody is asking the freak!

[spanone]

94. good...let's keep the separation of church and state for a change