Why would Obama want to REVERSE his own Foreign Policy emphases with a Clinton SOS appointment??

[Sensitivity]

Someone in the Obama circle seems to keep pushing for disaster.

Hillary's pernicious denigration of Obama's competence and credibility during the primaries hold the seed of distraction and destruction for the Obama Presidency. As SOS her posture re the war, re the Arab Israeli, and Iran would really neutralize the goodwill and opportunities for real change that Obama's election has created in the world.

Don't believe it will happen. Barack is usually able of make the tough decisions. But it is certainly curious how this is happening and being leaked.

Jacob Heilbrunn in Huff post says what I am thinking.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-heilbrunn/obamas-team-of-rivals_b_143816.html

But would it be good for American foreign policy? Would it be consistent with the kind of change Obama promised on the campaign trail? Clinton's record is markedly different than Obama's. She supported the Iraq War. In 2006, she supported legalizing the torture of an individual who knows about an "imminent threat" to millions of American, but backpedaled on the idea in September 2007. In April 2008, she said the U.S. could "totally obliterate" Iran if it threatened Israel with nuclear weapons. In essence, she decided to run as a foreign policy hawk for president, figuring that she couldn't run the risk of appearing "soft" on foreign policy. Clinton represents, or has represented, what I would call the Lieberman wing of the party -- Democratic neocons based at places like the Progressive Policy Institute and the Democratic Leadership Council. They don't believe the Iraq War was itself a mistake, but that it was simply conducted ineptly by the Bush administration

[onehandle]

1. Obama is DOOMED!

Yeah, right.

[HeraldSquare212]

2. She'd have no credibility in the Middle East

[blueclown]

4. Umm... ok.

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

And Colin Powell and Condi Rice did?

[HeraldSquare212]

6. What's the point, that she's the same as them? Is that a recommendation?

[Sensitivity]

5. Maybe she sends Bill as her envoy.

[HeraldSquare212]

8. I don't want him messing about in foreign policy.We've seen what he'll do overseas for donations

to his initiative. I don't think we want those interests getting mixed up with American foreign policy.

[blueclown]

11. Could you please stop repeating right wing talking points? n/t

[HeraldSquare212]

12. Could you please stop portraying the truth as a right-wing talking point?

After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?pagewanted=print

[Skwmom]

28. To label the truth as right-wing is ridiculous.

[Lex]

3. Well, for one thing, she'd be implementing HIS FOREIGN POLICY, not hers.

nt

[Sensitivity]

7. Be Clear: Cabinet position make sence. But not SOS with policy positions so different

[cali]

9. say what?

you are making absolutely no sense. try using proper English.

[Sensitivity]

24. Obama and Clinton SHARE position on Healthcare and Energy, NOT on Foreign policy

where Hillary pointedly criticized him and his campaign question her credentials.

[cali]

26. that is campaign stuff. Hillary also blasted him on healthcare

and they share far more vis a vis foreign policy than that which they don't share. sorry about that.

[Sensitivity]

29. The both said their Healthcare positons were very close.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

10. Finally the voice of reason. If Obama feels that he has to go above and beyond

'paying back' the Clintons, I think he has done so, but to his and our own detriment.

I am very upset over the possibility that Clinton could be the next SoS. Rachel was so correct. No one denigrated Obama more than she and her husband. They also seem to have a disdain for Obama's support of diplomacy. First, he wants DLCer LIEberman to stay and keep his position. Now, he's stacked his entire advisory and cabinet with DLCers, which are Clinton folks. These are Democratic neocons and I'm not sure why he's doing this. Yes, they are competent. Yes, they are qualified. But many of these people are neocons, pro-corporate hacks.

[WI_DEM]

15. if that were the case he would have appointed her VP

[napi21]

16. I think you're overlooking a very important point.

The people in an administration follow the directions and intentions of the PRESIDENT!

[Sensitivity]

17. Are you saying the Rummy and Powell followed the same policy emphases??

[Occam Bandage]

19. The Bush White House was exceptional in the extent to which

the President did not control anything.

[WI_DEM]

13. Excuse me, but the president runs the administration, even fp, not the sos.

At least a strong president does.

[Sensitivity]

14. LEAKS IS NOT THE OBAMA WAY!! What's going on with that??

[Occam Bandage]

18. OBAMA DOES NOT UNDERSTAND TEH POLITICS!

IF ONLY HE RED MORE HUFFPO HE WOLD UNDERSTAND WAT HE NEEDS TO DO

[Sensitivity]

20. Purpose of this BS is what???

[Occam Bandage]

35. To mock you as ill-informed. I thought that was obvious.

:shrug:

[Sensitivity]

37. Thank you for clarifying O GREAT INFORMED ONE.

[Occam Bandage]

38. Most welcome. nt

[Trajan]

21. So this is the 'gnashing of teeth' we so often read about ....

WHERE O'WHERE is that 'I Got This!' picture when you need it ?

Here is a clue: Hillary Clinton is a very popular figure; not only in the Democratic party, but in the entire American electorate ....

I find these posts of yours to be counterproductive and cannibalistic ....

But hey ... It's a free country .... Hack away ....

[Sensitivity]

23. No. The leaking and the MSM spin is distorting and HARMFUL game

[OHdem10]

22. Why would Hillary give up her power to be subservient to another?

This is the Media playing games.

Sure they met. I am sure Obama values Hillary's opinions.

[Sensitivity]

40. Agree, someone is playing games

[MasonJar]

25. I am so sick of DUers putting down the Clintons. I can guarantee

they both did more to get Obama elected than any of you did, especially Hillary.

[Sensitivity]

27. Seeing differences of opinion is NOT "putting down." HILLARY IS GREAT (so is Bill)

but she did talk of "obliterating" a major portion of the worlds Muslim population.

[Beacool]

32. She said it in response to a reporter's question

and it was only if Iran attacked Israel first.

[SeaLyons]

30. Amen!!!! n/t

[Beacool]

31. Shhhhh, it goes against the mantra on the LW blogs:

Bash the Clintons and bash them often.

I'm sooooooo tired of the BS on these boards.

Personally, I would prefer that Hillary stay in the senate. Why would she want to be in a job that is subjected to the whims of the president? In the senate she has more power and can express her thoughts freely.

:eyes:

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34. I don't know

But if I was Obama I wouldn't want HRC anywhere near my presidency. The things she said and I believe actually MEANT during the campaign about him and about foreign polity-well I don't get it.

To me, it looks like he has no new ideas-it's all the 1990's again. Apparently there are NO younger smart fresh people out there in the world-only Obama himself. Let's recycle everyone from the past.Yes, they have experience-but what has that experience ever got us? War. Check. Health care. Nah. And as we know the Clintons were SUCH a force against Bush. But as everyone on DU well tell you-Obama is smart and wonderful and magic-and who are we to differ-even though we thought he was promising something NEW and that's WHY we voted for him. I don't like Hillary and her opinions on foreign policy-yes that's why many of us choose Obama over her.

[AtomicKitten]

36. IMO this is a faux leak being taken out for a spin.

Besides, Clinton's inappropriate, blustery "obliterate Iran" comment should disqualify her from consideration for SoS.

[Sensitivity]

39. Obama does not leak. Obviously some folk playing games for some reason I don't know

[NYCGirl]

41. Al Giordano of The Field agrees (as do I):

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/freak-show-behind-clinton-secretary-state-rumors

No, it was not (Andrea) Mitchell that first floated this Hindenburg balloon. It was former Clinton White House aide (and reliable media spinner for all agendas Clinton) George Stephanopoulos on who first dropped HRC's name for Foggy Bottom last week. ABC's Jake Tapper reminds:

George Stephanopoulos reported Clinton's name being in the mix last week on Good Morning America

The whole thing is a media freak show being served up by members of the Clinton factions in the Democratic party and obliged by a national media (some of them also Clinton noisemakers) in search of a story. The speculation is not because Senator Clinton wants the job, but because her people so desperately want to muddy the waters and throw up a roadblock to either New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson or Massachusetts Senator John Kerry - two of the leading contenders - serving in the post, whom they consider turncoats for having endorsed Obama vs. Clinton earlier this year.

After Richardson backed Obama, Clinton advisor James Carville called him a "Judas."

[Sensitivity]

42. David Ignatius on 1600 just stated the same: Hillary could diminish the "Obama Effect" in world