Okay, are there going to be only conservative Dems and Repubs in Obama's staff and cabinet?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

Maybe I'm not looking and missed all the liberals. If that's it, please smack me awake and point them out to me.

[mwei924]

1. The President and Vice President are pretty liberal.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

2. Yep, and the cast of thousands are all conservative. Nice. nt

[mwei924]

5. Only two cabinet positions are even being floated right now.. SoS and AG.

[Jennicut]

3. So you know Obama's full cabinet? Cause I kinda missed the annoucements.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

8. Of course not, but of all the names "floated" I have yet to hear of someone who isn't conservative

either as Dem or a Repub

[FrenchieCat]

4. Can you list those that you do have? The conservatives you are mentioning?

Thanks!

[NMDemDist2]

6. Obama's no Kucinich

if you thought he was, you didn't read his website......

[Sarah Ibarruri]

9. I read it, but I had no idea he was going to only consider right winger Dems and Repubs nt

[FrenchieCat]

10. Like who?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

12. Like the cast of Clinton people, who were all right wing Dems nt

[Jennicut]

15. Sorry but that is not true. Many were moderates and some were considered and looked down

upon as too liberal. I remember the time quite well, I was only in high school but followed the transition pretty closely.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

17. If I had wanted moderate-to-right wing, I'd have voted for Hillary Clinton. nt

[snake in the grass]

51. and if you really wanted progressive...

...you would have voted for Kucinich. We have what we have now so deal with it. Obama is going to be better than McCain by several orders of magnitude and those were the only two choices we had.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

62. Oh so you're saying both Obama and Hillary Clinton are the same then? nt

[snake in the grass]

69. No.

I'm saying if the Democratic Party wanted a true progressive they would have fought for Kucinich. Instead, he was ridiculed as the little elf by people from both sides. Unfortunately the U.S. isn't evolved enough for him.

As far as Clinton and Obama are concerned, there is hardly a difference in their voting record. Granted, their approach towards realization is different, but make no mistake about this; they are both power players. However, this conversation is useless now. Obama will be POTUS and it is up to us to hold his feet to the fire. Too many people tend to sit back after such an epic election and assume everything will be fine. That's not going to work this time and you know the old saying about assuming something, right?

[FrenchieCat]

23. That's pretty vague.

Do you have a list of this cast?
What's conservative to you, may be moderate to another. :shrug:

[Jennicut]

13. Um, Hillary is not a conservative dem. Her voting record is moderate

Rahm Emmanuel is not a blue dog dem either. Where are you getting your info? Or is anyone to the right of D.K. "too conservative"?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

16. The DLC is hardly lib. If I had wanted someone who voted in a fiscally right wing fashion....

I'd have voted Republican

[BzaDem]

53. All that means is that you aren't getting what you want. This is not a hard concept. n/t

[Sarah Ibarruri]

61. Huh? No. I merely said that if I had wanted the DLC, I'd have voted differently. Look.....

I'm just mostly angry about Bush, but I'm not happy about the DLC. The DLC is the reason that pig, Lieberman is still chairing at all.

[PFunk]

7. IF this is going to be the case then he's going to lose the dems progressive base quickly

And eventually turn turn them into his oposition-which will not help things in 2010. We dems aren't repugs that will go lock-step with the party like trained mice.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

11. I agree. Obama's base are NOT right wing Dems or Repubs

We canvassed, got out there, took time off to do this, and we are not right wing Dems. Or Repubs.

[BzaDem]

54. Oh, you will eventually come around.

The whole "progressives will vote for Nader to spite Gore" thing was tried in 2000. In the end, after thousands of dead soldiers in Iraq and thousands of dead citizens at the hands of incompetence during Katrina, Nader's share of the vote was approximately cut in 10 between 2000 and 2008. Most Nader voters regret voting for him back then. It might take a few terms of a right-wing Congress before you regret your own actions in 2010, but that time will eventually come. It's just a quesiton of what the consequences of that temporary stupidity bring to the nation.

[phleshdef]

60. LOL, yea the Dem progressive base will turn around and vote for the Repubs...

Get a grip.

[meow mix]

14. its bs

this is not going well

[Sarah Ibarruri]

18. :( nt

[Jennicut]

22. OMG...how old are some of you guys? Do you know anything about politics?

I am 32. I saw Clinton mess up his transition with cronies and inexperienced people. I saw him miscalculate several policy positions and watched the 1994 Rethug Revolution take over after the midterms. Obama had better have experienced people in or I would be pissed at him. I don't care who he gets so long as they carry out his agenda, which is called being a leader.

[meow mix]

26. whats wrong with wanting to be included in this "unity"

all were asking is to be let in too, with everyone else... wtf?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

29. I know that no one I met at my campaign headquarters was conservative....

... and I'm in a right wing area of the country. That's all I know. None of us wanted Hillary Clinton because her husband had been a right wing Democrat.

[Jennicut]

32. LOL...I voted for Obama in the primaries too but Bill Cinton got his ass handed to him by Sam Nunn

a conservative Dem over the gays in the military issue. His stimulus plan was knocked down by conservative Dems in congress, like Max Baucus and Richard Shelby. Clinton was a moderate, through and through.

[Mojorabbit]

46. I am 52 and have followed politics for a long time

and I am hoping for a good balance of experience and fresh highly qualified people. So far I am not impressed but the process has only just started.

[BlooInBloo]

19. Let me know when he gets someone to the left of his moderate self.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

20. Yep, wake me up when he picks a lib. nt

[BlooInBloo]

24. I'm not really all that distressed about it, though. I have confidence in both...

his intentions and his ability. So the only conclusion I can draw is that I just don't know what he has in mind - what his overall plan is.

And that's ok - there are a lot of things I don't know.

But I agree that here at the beginning it looks odd for 2 roads going to radically different places, but which nevertheless start out with an identical first step.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

31. Well, all I can say is that some of us who campaigned for him were shocked that he's looking through

right wing Dems and not at any liberal Dems. It's pretty shocking given that so many of the volunteers who got him there, are liberals, not right wing Dems.

[BlooInBloo]

33. (shrug) I addressed that. But yes, I can definitely see how one would worry about that.

[mwei924]

21. A lot of prominent and experience Democrats happen to be moderate..

..and have ties to the Clinton Administration in some form or another. That's just the way things are. Obama's not just gonna hire all liberals even if they don't have the qualifications. The Clinton admin. was a response to the post-Reagan shift. It'll take time before the country can move in the other direction.

[BlooInBloo]

28. I don't think anybody but you is talking about a cabinet of ALL liberals...

Caricaturing makes you look dishonest.

[mwei924]

30. But Hillary, Emanuel, etc. aren't conservative either. So the title of this thread is misleading.

My guess is that Obama will have a largely moderate Dem cabinet.

[BlooInBloo]

34. They're all more conservative than he is. That's enough for the OPs point to be made...

You're just quibbling.

[mwei924]

36. I didn't realize the spectrum of politics used Obama as the center point.

[BlooInBloo]

37. You should have. It's only been posted here like 10 brazillion times.....

EDIT: Image obtained as the #1 hit on the world's most trivial google image search:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=obama+clinton+kucinich+political+spectrum&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

[mwei924]

38. By that chart, Obama would also be right-wing. Only Nader and Kucinich. are on the left.

I'd actually like to hear more names who would actually be qualified for top positions.

[BlooInBloo]

39. (facepalm) Those are only presidential candidates, genius.

EDIT: Typo.

[mwei924]

40. Who else do you have in mind, who might actually be qualified for SoS or AG?

[BlooInBloo]

41. What's an antiderivative of gamma(x)?

All interesting questions, all irrelevant to the topic at hand.

[mwei924]

42. Why is it irrelevant? If you're unhappy with the current choices, you gotta give some alternatives.

You can't pick no one for these positions.

[BlooInBloo]

43. Absolute bullshit. I have no idea what 346556 *3465475 is, but I know it's not -2...

The idea that it's not possible to know a *wrong* answer unless you know the *right* answer is a fine expression of American stupidity.

[mwei924]

44. That made no sense but whatever.

No one gives a shit what 346556 * 3465475 is but SoS and AG need to be filled by somebody. Unless you know some imaginary super liberal who has all the qualifications for the job, then it's probably gonna end up going to well-qualified moderates.

[BlooInBloo]

45. lolol! 'Nuff said.

[BzaDem]

55. Usually, people who whine but can't come up with their own solutions are ignored.

You can come up with a ridiculous math analogy to say otherwise, but it doesn't change the fact that such people are often ignored by the decisionmakers in society.

[Berry Cool]

52. Yeah, it's a way tilted chart. It was obviously drawn up in a way

that if you're not Karl Marx, you're considered to be some flavor or other of a right winger. Please.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

66. The last thing I want is to find that once again, we're a middle-to-right wing party nt

[scheming daemons]

25. Eric Holder, Rahm Emanuel, and Hillary Clinton are NOT conservative...

are you nuts?

[Jennicut]

27. I need a drink. Some of them have lost their minds. Hillary a blue dog? Wake me up when its over.

[demwing]

35. Clinton is a die hard DLCer...

does that make her conservative?

Well, that all depends on who you're comparing her to.

[WhiteTara]

47. the PE is NOT a liberal

and he says he's not.

[Dr Fate]

48. And he is not a Republican either- yet he is open to appointing them.

My guess is he is open to appointing Liberals as well...stay tuned...

[stillcool]

49. My crystal ball says yes.

but my ouija board says no.

[Egnever]

50. Just to piss you off of course

[mmonk]

56. Yes. Isn't that the way this party works?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

65. To do what? Strive to be right wing? nt

[wyldwolf]

57. who does he have so far?

:shrug:

[treestar]

58. Go to freeperville or any right wing publication

And you will feel much better. In fact, they are not only the most liberal people in the country, they are socialists, marxists, and even communists, like our PE!

:rofl:

It's all relative. I used to make a point of reading the RW publications to know their arguments and I always felt much better than when I limited myself to right wing publications. When I read their side, I learned how the left had taken over this country and how it owned the press completely!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

63. You know why that doesn't work for me? Because in the U.S.....

liberal is actually centrist, and conservative is right wing extremist.

We've already seen what right wing extremist is all about. I don't even want to sniff its air anymore. It's destroyed our country, and I do include the DLC in there. It aided and abeted the right wing.

[Freddie Stubbs]

59. You are confusing the term 'moderate' with the term 'conservative'

[Sarah Ibarruri]

64. No. I'm equating the DLC with Republicans. nt

[CreekDog]

68. on a board full of liberals, you can only get two recommends for your ignorant OP?

does that give you a hint as to whether you are wrong or not?

and Dascle and Emanuel are liberals by any stretch of the word. you may say association with DLC means they aren't liberal, but their voting record says they are staunch liberals

oh yeah and you didn't list Joe Biden, also a liberal, also refuses to call himself DLC. he is not DLC.

you are up to three strikes now.

i refuse to suffer fools gladly. nobody cuts me any slack when i say something stupid and do it proudly and they shouldn't anyway.

[CreekDog]

67. Rahm Emanuel 4% rating from American Conservative Union

Tom Daschle 80th percentile liberal through his last year in Congress according to National Journal and:
- More liberal than 82 percent of his Senate colleagues on economic issues.
- More liberal than 68 percent of his Senate colleagues on social issues.
- More liberal than 79 percent of his Senate colleagues on foreign policy issues.

yes you missed two of the biggest names listed. you fail. you know nothing yet you speak as an expert.

people should ignore you.

sorry, truth hurts.