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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:11 PM
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I was looking for something and came across this. I just HAVE to share
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You can forget the Birth Certificate - OBAMA ADMITS BRITISH CITIZEN AT BIRTH
Natural Born Citizen ^ | November 15, 2008 | Leo Donofrio

Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 11:23:32 AM by Amityschild

Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President.

The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that's why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not "natural born Citizens". Hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President;

That's it right there. (Emphasis added.)

The Framers wanted to make themselves eligible to be President, but they didn't want future generations to be Governed by a Commander In Chief who had split loyalty to another Country. The Framers were comfortable making an exception for themselves. They did, after all, create the Constitution. But they were not comfortable with the possibility of future generations of Presidents being born under the jurisdiction of Foreign Powers, especially Great Britain and its monarchy, who the Framers and Colonists fought so hard in the American Revolution to be free of.

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2133568/posts
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ladym55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:17 PM
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1. OMG!
:rofl:

It appears that "Natural Born Citizen" was dropped on his head during his natural birthing process. The damage incurred appears to be substantial.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:17 PM
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2. You see a signpost ahead....next stop, The Freeper Zone.
The Hannitized brain is scary thing.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:18 PM
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3. On drugs. I mean, totally.
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mwei924 Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:18 PM
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4. Haha, I'm sure the Brits would love to claim him.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:19 PM
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5. Well then, that settles it!
finally some resolution to this question.

He's British!

I'll gladly settle for "King Obama".....Long live the King!
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:23 PM
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6. silly freepers
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:28 PM
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7. This will be their battle cry
and this will be what makes them feel better about themselves in the years to come.

this is sad.

they will build their future on what is false.

sad.

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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:31 PM
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8. The force of the stupidity in that "logic" is stunning.
:crazy: :silly: :wow: :yoiks:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:32 PM
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9. Very nice little nugget of hilarity there!
:loveya:
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 09:51 AM
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22. *smooch*
:hi:

:loveya:

I'm in a fight with some of these knuckledraggers on another board.

Just like shooting fish in a barrel. :)
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:35 PM
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10. Can someone please explain to me how a person who was born in a U.S. state to an American mother
Is NOT a U.S. citizen? It's as if these numbnuts have completely forgotten about Ann Dunham (American woman who gave birth to Barack) and the actual place of Barack's birth. Even if Barack had been born in Kenya, he would still be an American citizen because his mother was one. But the fact is that he was born in the United States. The freepers are attempting to argue that his father's status has some bearing on his citizenship, which is ridiculous on its face, and probably racist in its intent.

Why is anyone even discussing this, much less getting away with it?
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 12:05 AM
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19. This numbnuts is trying to argue that because Obama MIGHT
have been eligible for dual citizenship (British) due to his father's Kenyan (British) nationality... he is therefore of "divided loyalties" and not a "natural born citizen."

Never mind the fact that he was born on American soil of an American mother.... no... they're grasping at straws. Not to mention that the concept of dual citizenship probably didn't exist when the Framers were around, and anyway, you have to CLAIM your British nationality if you want to be a dual citizen (my brother did this).
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:35 PM
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11. Ignorance can be fixed
But that sort of stupidity is permanent.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:35 PM
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12. Stupidity and logic? How about Stogic? A prime example of the Freeper Stogic.
:eyes:
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:44 PM
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13. I like it! nt
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:55 PM
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14. They are still unable to deal with reality.
They should all seek professional help.




Naw forget it. They are way to entertaining this way.



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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 10:58 PM
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15. The person almost seems intelligent...
until you start reading the crap he's writing. Holy hell.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:00 PM
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16. Freepers dearests, sod off you silly little gits!
:rofl:

DAMN they truly are the STUPIDEST MFers EVER!
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Sebass1271 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:09 PM
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17. I thought this was debunked a long time ago.. what are
they fighting about? That our President Elect is not a "natural born American". He was born in HI for Gods' sake!!.. What else do they need to see? When his mother was pregnant she was living in HI with his father, both attending college!..

These freepers really give me headaches.. They hold on to things just to keep the hatred and division and not recognize that the guy might actually do something postive for all of us, including them!

What gives?? :eyes:
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 11:12 PM
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18. Sorry Brits, 'Bama is ours and we aint sharing!
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 12:09 AM
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20. PUT DOWN THE BONG AND THE TWINKIES....
what a ridiculous exercise in contortion THAT nonsense is...

It is simply wrong because he IS born on American soil. That's ALL there is to this.
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mwooldri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 12:10 AM
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21. Hmmm... Sir Barack Obama?
Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Hawaii; Hawaii is part of the USA. That makes him natural born US citizen, even in the eyes of the British courts (before 1982 you had citizenship based on where you were born in British eyes, and/or you could inherit one generation from your dad).

However let's look at this British angle for a minute.

Obama was born in 1961. Kenya became independent in December 1963. Obama Sr. would have been citizen of the UK and Colonies at that time of Obamas' birth, and have had right of abode in the UK. However, despite Kenya becoming independent, Obama Sr still had that right and by descent Obama II. But UK legislation nixed that later on - the 1962 and 1968 Commonwealth Immigrants Acts and Immigration Act of 1971 cut off former UK & Colonies Citizens' rights to abode in the UK on the basis of ties to their newly independent countries.

So if Obama could claim British Citizenship through his father he wouldn't be able to live in the UK because of the basis of his father's citizenship (being replaced with Kenyan citizenship).

However this might lead to something interesting. Obamas' going to get sworn in as our President and he's going to do a great job at it. Later on down the line, the UK might want to honour Obama for something or another, might even be a Knighthood (after all George HW Bush is an honourary Knight). Only British Citizens can use the title "Sir"... so this could happen: UK authorities declare Obama British Citizen with no right of abode through father and nationality and citizenship at time of Obama II's birth. Queen knights Obama.

I give you: President Sir Barack Hussein Obama II.

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