Well, we got what we wished for.

[Raven]

He isn't a Bush.

He's intelligent...he isn't a Bush.

He has a heart...he isn't a Bush.

He has some very good ideas...he isn't a Bush.

He has a disciplined team...he isn't a Bush.

He has a VP who doesn't hide...he isn't a Bush.

Remember back folks...we were crazy for someone who wasn't what we had and have endured for years and years. It's like when someone stops beating you. You are sooo grateful.

He has made some poor, hurtful choices lately and he is clearly playing to the middle, maybe right.

The man needs to be educated, as "smart" as he is. We should not give up on him, not yet, at least.

There are some people still in a swoon over his election. It was a good thing because we got one step past a possibly monsterious election result, but we are not where we need to be and this man needs to be educated.

[IndianaJones]

1. I like his middle choices. nt.

[flvegan]

2. Don't blame me, I voted for Kucinich.

:popcorn:

:hide:

[Cha]

18. No one is blaming you for anything.

I proudly voted for Obama and I'd do it again. I wrote to http://change.gov yesterday about the Vilsack appointment for Ag Sec.

Even if he's in the position Obama will know that I don't think his big ag and monsanto connections will be good for our Planet and our food.

[tabatha]

3. Obama knows exactly what he is doing.

[LeftCoast]

7. What's that? Fucking over gays and lesbians?

That's not the change I voted for.

[mmonk]

4. Yep, I got who I voted for

and a lot of people I wouldn't have voted for that he has brought aboard. Interesting to say the least.

[WeDidIt]

5. I think there will be some progress in gay rights over the next 4 years

Real progress, though, won't come until after November 6, 2008.

Sadly, the politcal drives everything.

At least DADT will be driven from the DOD. That's about the same progress as African Americans enjoyed when the United States Military was desegregated. African Americans could not marry European Americans in most states for many years after that progressive step was taken.

[Thrill]

6. LOL Why? Because some don't agree with his choices?

[yardwork]

10. Imagine getting upset about this!

Rick Warren: But the issue to me is, I’m not opposed to that as much as I’m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I’m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I’m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I’m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do.

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/16/7415

[QC]

12. Some people are just so sensitive! n/t

[racaulk]

13. I will NOT have you ruin this for the rest of us!!! n/t

[mwei924]

8. I never expected to agree with all his decisions.

In fact, I did vote for someone who would reach out to the other side (yes, the losing side). That, to me, is the Anti-Bush.

[Bucky]

9. I like his middle choices. I'm instinctively a centrist and a big Obama fan. But...

This Rick Warren choice is fucked up. It's hurtful--even moreso because it's only a symbolic gesture. Obama owes the gay community and the civil rights movement for this.

[mkultra]

11. hes exactly what i expected and im glad he won

I dare say that it will be you who is the recipient of an education.

[yardwork]

14. Imagine getting upset by this:

Rick Warren: But the issue to me is, I’m not opposed to that as much as I’m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I’m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I’m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I’m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do.

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/16/7415

Some people are terribly over-sensitive. Don't you agree?

[Critters2]

15. Indeed. Why can't people just get over it?

It's not like they've been thrown under a bus or anything.


Oh, wait...

[mkultra]

16. i think rick warren is a fool on mutiple levels

fools abound. No surprise and no reason for anger.

[yardwork]

19. Absolutely no reason for anger! Understandable that Obama chose him.

After all, there is only one minister in the entire country available to give the invocation at Obama's inauguration. So anyone suggesting that Obama might be making a mistake is just being a spoil sport.

Don't you agree?

Also, Warren's views on abortion - so humane. So consistent! Not even the life of the mother dissuades him from his view of the travesty. There's a man who genuinely cares about people. An excellent choice to connect Obama's presidency with God.

[mkultra]

21. i guess you dont undserstand Obama's method

sometimes, in order to educate people, you must erase the perceived battle lines. This often means demonstrating acceptance of those who themselves don't demonstrate acceptance.

Its a method of being inclusive. put some thought into it.

[yardwork]

22. I understand perfectly.

Edited to add: Is David Duke's invitation being delivered?

[mkultra]

23. perhaps it is.

David duke may be a decent person beyond his bigotry. Sometimes good people get a bad concept or prejudice lodged in their brains. Its contact with people who are willing to be decent and thoughtful that can alter their view.

If you vilify those with bigotry, you simple make them your enemy which in turn further drives their ideology.


You may hate rick warren because he hates you, but thats not going to fix anything.

This is the approach, like it or not. You can continue to vilify Obama for this if you wish but it only makes you look like a fool.

[yardwork]

24. I didn't say I hate anybody. I say that Obama should have made a better choice.

For that you have vilified me.

Do you agree with this:

Rick Warren: But the issue to me is, I’m not opposed to that as much as I’m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I’m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I’m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I’m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do.

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/16/7415

[mkultra]

25. with what? Rick Warrens statement?

no! The biblical image of marriage is often polygamy or child marriages. While i have some reservations about polygamy from a societal point of view, anything else is irrelevant.

Warren is a fool but he is a biblical fool. I would say that a vast majority of preachers feel this way. and when i say vast i mean VAST. The problem her is that warrens stand is known and he actively promotes it via his church.

I also think David duke is retard, just for the record.

You have to remember that Obama is being inclusive. After all, would any social conservative invite an openly gay and lesbian band to perform at the inauguration?


I think you should should some patience here and see what happens when he takes office.

[Connie_Corleone]

17. Poor, hurtful choices?

Rick Warren, yes. Other than that, I haven't had a problem with his choices.

Obama has always been a moderate Democrat. Avid Obama supporters during the primaries knew this. We read his books and paid attention to what he said and did.

If people have a problem with Rick Warren, email change.gov and let them know how you feel. I'll email them too. It's better than ranting and raving on a message board.

[Cleita]

20. The fact is that we are going to have to effect the change ourselves and

push them to acknowledge the will of the people. Well, at least with the new team, I'm hoping we aren't going to be ignored as easily as the Bush gang was able to do so. So time to start organizing for letting them know that we exist and what we want. They don't want angry mobs knocking at their doors. They can't retaliate with the Bush administration's jack boot style so they will have to start listening or go down in flames.