Hellataz
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:49 PM
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My Thoughts on Obama's End Game |
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I've read a lot more people's comments about this, here and other boards and I better understand the anger of not just Warren as a choice but him being there at an important time and place. Warren is a bigot who compares homosexuality to pedophiles, but from what i hear he has a huge focus on helping aids patients and reduce poverty, so that tells me that he's not a monster, just very ignorant. And ignorance can be change.
Now Obama says this inauguration will be the most "inclusive" event, well that unfortunately means people not everyone is going to like. But He knows he needs to show equality at this ceremony and is tying his best to give everyone a voice. We may not like it, but 80% of americans are christian most of whom are against gay rights. I think Obama knows if he doesn't reach out to them and show them he's their president too, he will never be in a position to change their mind and help them become more tolerant towards others. I think Obma is a brilliant man who can see a much larger picture then any of us right now. He sees the end game, and he understands that to win that end game will take some hard unpleasant choices and associations to help bring us all together in the end.
If Obama just catered to the left and progressives, he would be in a constant 4-8 year battle with the conservatives and right wing. Nothing would get done, he'd have little support to implement all the changes he promised us. He has to reach out to those he disagrees with and i really believe he disagrees with Warren on this issue, but he needs to reach out to him because of his vast influence over so many americans so maybe if he can be in a position to change Warren's mind, he can in turn help change the mass's mind on this issue.
I think Obama is just at the beginning of a long battle, but i also think he has a goal which DOES include equality for ALL. But the poor man is facing a disaster left by the last administration and he hasn't even been sworn in yet, so again I urge us to come together and support him. I think it's perfect acceptable to let him know if you're disappointed in his choices or to voice your disagreements but please refrain from thinks like "impeach obama" or "can i take my vote back" or "We made a mistake!", cause taking a step back be honest with yourselves and ask would you be happier with Bush back, or McCain and Palin at the helm? Or are you willing to ride these bumps out, have a little faith and see where Obama takes us?
It wont always be easy, but real change rarely is.
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:51 PM
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1. 'But He knows he needs to show equality at this ceremony and is tying his best ...' |
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Why didn't "He" invite racists to reach out to?
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:06 PM
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15. How do you know he didn't or doesn't have plans to soon? |
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don't you think that Obama knows Racism isn't a dead issue and don't you think he wants to address it during his term. This will mean meeting will people from that side and trying to change their minds.
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:07 PM
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16. Yes, "He" will change racist's minds magically by meeting with them |
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:17 PM
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20. No but you'd be amazed at how minds can be changed when you treat someone with respect and |
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understanding. Most racists fear the people they hate, they are going off of stereotypes and mistruths. But when they actually take the time and get to know someone of a different race, more often then none their mind can be changed to become more tolerant.
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:51 PM
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2. he is a Christian that does not believe in gay marriage. What is this end game? nt |
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:52 PM
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3. And who thinks gay marriage = child molestation. What's the end game here? |
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:53 PM
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5. the second coming and hell fire for all the sinners I guess. nt. |
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:00 PM
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11. He believes that his personal view should not be imposed on others, that's the point. |
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It doesn't matter what he believes personally, and who knows he may just not even have an issue against gay marriage but only said that to appease the right for votes, i don't know. What I do know is i could care less for what he personally believes vs how he runs the country, because I think he's shown he can separate the two. If he personally is against gay marriage then why did he speak out against Prop 8? Why? Because he can have personal faith values but understands that he needs to represent ALL of us, not just his personal views and those like his.
Would we be happier if he personally believed that gay marriage was not a problem, hell yeah! But I think the compromise he is giving us speaks volumes. It shows he's a man who can put his personal issues aside to help the minorities of this country feel included in our government and feel that they will be as protected as the majority.
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:52 PM
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4. He keeps this up, 2012 will be his end game n/t |
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:59 PM
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7. Yeah, because President Palin will be SO gay friendly.... |
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:59 PM
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9. You think the Republicans aren't watching and learning here? n/t |
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:01 PM
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12. And they're going to piss off their base by embracing gays? |
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:03 PM
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13. Well now that Obama's picking up their base, they can get back to economics! |
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They've been losing their true base for decades.
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:07 PM
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17. Republicans CAN"T learn a new trick, it would go against their "values" |
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:11 PM
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18. They can drop their "values" crowd now |
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They milked that cow for all it was worth.
They'll go "fiscal" and try to draw back non-social-issue voters.
It wouldn't surprise me if they start talking single payer healthcare. Which is truly fiscally conservative!
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:56 PM
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6. So.. piss off 80% of the people, or 10%... He has choosen the 80% |
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Not just gays are unhappy... when you are all inclusive that means you are going to anger the opposite of the other, so you can, if you are inclusive enough that you can anger 100% of the people. I am pissed because I am a _____ and he included ____ in the _________.
OR, you could NOT bring in the bigots, and piss off the 30% (or less, because if it was not brought up it would not be an issue) because you did not include someone...
NOT A BRIGHT MOVE. I am starting to want for HRC
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:00 PM
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10. Hate to break it to you, but HRC worked with Warren as well.... |
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:04 PM
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14. Think about the majority being pissed if he choose nothing but socially liberal speakers? |
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How much of a shit storm that would be for him. The entire right wing rioting because they now fear that Obama is going to paint the white house rainbow colors and force them to watch gay orgies on their front lawns. Seriously this is how so many of them think! The right is ruled by irrational fear. Obama knows this and is doing his best to help them feel included and ease them in to his way of thinking. You can't just force change onto people, it has to be gradual and those of us wanting change need to suck it up and be patient and faith that he knows what he's doing.
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:38 PM
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28. Sure, but he did not do that did he... there are folks in the middle... he went FAR RIGHT! |
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Thu Dec-18-08 02:59 PM
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8. I totally agree with everything you said. Nice job. n/t |
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:16 PM
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19. Bringing in Warren is a brilliant move. |
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Like a chess grand master, Barack is 12 moves ahead. Warren is very popular, and by making him part of the inauguration, he cuts him off from the opposition.
--IMM
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:18 PM
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:20 PM
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22. Most people have never heard of this fundy nutjob |
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Jeez.
Obama is ENDORSING this quack.
Watch his book sales skyrocket.
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:21 PM
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23. His book has been a bestseller for YEARS |
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:23 PM
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24. Oh, yeah that Purpose Driven thing |
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But he's still an unknown as far as his bent social positions.
This exposure will be a big deal for him.
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:28 PM
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25. Ah -- very true -- good point |
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Thu Dec-18-08 04:37 PM
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29. Let's hope he's grateful. |
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Not all of his positions are terrible. He's good on poverty and AIDS.
Besides Robertson, he's at the top among fundies. I think giving him this bone might stifle him.
--IMM
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:29 PM
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26. Shorter Hellataz- "Get over it!" |
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Thu Dec-18-08 03:36 PM
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27. Now there you go being all logical and reasonable |
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that will never fly here at DU.
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