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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 02:40 PM
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If I was in Obama's shoes, I would give Pres Clinton another chance to bring peace
to Israel and Palestine. I am sure Bill would love the chance and he would have such a huge headstart, compared to anyone else. It would be a win/win situation. It would keep Bill occupied and out of trouble and give that region a real chance at peace and let Obama focus on all the other pressing problems.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 02:41 PM
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1. I think Hillary is up to the job. She doesn't need Bill coming
in and stepping all over her turf.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 02:43 PM
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2. Iran, North Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan/India and the rest of the world
does she have the time to properly focus on the issue?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 05:24 PM
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34. American Secretaries of State have to focus on the entire world.
Tough job. Takes a formidable woman like Hillary to serve there.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 08:30 AM
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35. The Mid-East issue is so complex it will take one person's full attention
in my opinion. It's no knock on Hillary, it's just too many things going on.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:16 PM
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30. Hillary doesn't need shit from Bill. She can handle it herself.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 08:31 AM
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36. No one person can deal with the mess George Bush left
He destroyed our nation and he made a huge mess of the rest of the world. Our nation is going to need all the good people we can get.
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WonderGrunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 02:50 PM
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3. I always felt Bill Clinton would mak a great
Secretary General of the United Nations. He's always been popular among the foreign ambassadors and it would be a position that wouldn't be beneath his standing as a former US President.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 02:58 PM
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4. Sorry, but that's PEOTUS Obama's job now. Bill had his chance, as did Jimmy Carter.
Edited on Tue Dec-30-08 03:08 PM by ClarkUSA
I doubt President Clinton would have given the job to President Carter, for example.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:05 PM
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7. Yes, let SoS Hillary lay the groundwork and have President Obama seal the deal.
Both Clinton and Carter will be remembered for the great strides they made in this arena, especially when compared to Bush I, Reagan and the Shrub.

But it is Obama's time. Let's pray for peace in the Middle East!
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:06 PM
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8. If he had given that task to Carter, things might have turned out differently
after all Carter has been the only one to broker any sort of lasting peace in that reagion.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:09 PM
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10. True - I still trust him on this issue.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:11 PM
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12. If that's how you feel, then WTH would PEOTUS Obama hand the task over to Bill Clinton again?
Why wouldn't you suggest Jimmy Carter instead? :shrug:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:14 PM
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13. I am afraid James Carter may be too old for such a monumental task
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:29 PM
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17. I wouldn't put a retread on Bill Clinton, either; I voted for PEOTUS Obama, not a third Clinton term
I am sure Team O has learned from history's mistakes and will move forward as PEOTUS Obama sees fit.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:36 PM
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18. A good manager appreciates and understands the need to delegate
Obama's plate is beyond full. The advantage of using Clinton, is that he can be given some basic constraints and guidelines and then left to his own devices. It would free up Obama's precious time, so he can handle things like our Economy, Healthcare, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, the Fuel Crisis etc.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:01 PM
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23. Leading the Middle East Peace Process is not something to be delegated.
Edited on Tue Dec-30-08 04:03 PM by ClarkUSA
That's what a President is for.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:03 PM
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25. Sorry, it is. The US has too many problems of its own to deal with
and we have but one President. Something has to be delegated and this one seems to be a perfect choice.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:05 PM
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27. Says who? Certainly not Team O. You can jabber all you want, but it ain't gonna happen.
You heard it here first.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:08 PM
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29. If what you say comes to pass, it will be the first thing Obama has done
that dissappointed me.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:02 PM
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5. I don't think that it would be advisable to place the Nation's
best interests in Pres. Clinton's hands again. He has, in my book, already failed the loyalty test.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:05 PM
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6. How is that?
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:06 PM
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9. CDS
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:22 PM
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14. "CDS"?
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:53 PM
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33. Clinton Derangement Syndrome. Sadly, there's still no cure.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:09 PM
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11. Of course, your question will go unanswered....didn't you know
Edited on Tue Dec-30-08 03:10 PM by rvablue
that Clinton is a betrayor because he supported his own wife's candidacy instead of Obama's?

Being sarcastic, of course.

While I don't think Bill should be put in charge of the peace process, as there are two better people: Hillary to lay the ground work, and Obama to seal the deal, using the "loyalty" primary BS should not be the justification for not utilizing him.

One day in the next 4 to 8 years, come some crisis, disaster or tragedy, President Obama may call on President Clinton, and I think many on DU will be surprised at what a loyal and dedicated steward he will prove to be.





ed: for punct.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:23 PM
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15. Because, in my opinion, he chose to risk altering the course of
history in order to participate in trivial sexual dalliances in the Oval Office while he was the President.

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:28 PM
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16. That was clearly a mistake and a bad move
However that doesn't take away his talents and ability nor does it make his loyalty suspect. He has the ability, and I believe the drive, to improve (if not resolve) the situation.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:46 PM
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19. His political talents have never been in question, just his priorities.
That he would risk so much for such a trivial reason cast doubt on his judgment.

This is just my opinion. There's not much to be gained by arguing this back and forth.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:48 PM
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20. Do you think his accepting money from the Arabs
for his speaking engagements and his library kind of undermines his neutrality or the appearance of neutrality?

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:53 PM
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22. No more than the money he took from well known pro-Israel activists does
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:02 PM
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24. Oh, but you see
he was neutral as president, now as a former president he can and does receive payments - the neutrality is gone and the pro-Israelies may question the tens (if not hundreds) of millions from the Arabs and vice-a-versa. It sort of takes away from the "in the interests of peace" image that is needed to balance things properly.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:04 PM
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26. Bill Clinton demonstrated an open and neutral policy, when it came to $$$$
so I don't see how it would be much of a problem.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:08 PM
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28. That is your view
that may not be the view held by others which is my point.



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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 03:51 PM
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21. oh, damn! Let's cast aside Thomas Jefferson, JFK, and a host of others, too.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:29 PM
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31. Here we go. While we are at it we should cast aside every spouse
that has ever had extramarital sex.

If you had read my post carefully, you would have known that I wasn't concerned about the issue of adultery, only the fact that the President chose to do so while on the job, in the Oval Office.

I am well aware that many other Presidents had extra-marital sex while in office. However, they were discreet enough to avoid being "caught in the act" so to speak. How much was true and how much was gossip? The blue dress was hard proof. (I have always felt that he was set up by Monica and others.)

I'm really tired of talking about this. I made my statement, you disagree with me. You made your statement and I disagree with you.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-08 04:33 PM
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32. the presidents' discreetness had nada to do with it
During other times, the press wasn't so gung ho to go after it. It was a sad and pathetic time for journalism, but it was quite a common time for the presidency.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 02:05 AM
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38. Loyalty to whom?
He was loyal to the nation.

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 02:02 AM
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37. Bill is not a child, he doesn't need to be kept "occupied and out of trouble".
How condescending!!!

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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 02:58 AM
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39. .
After Bush either ignored, or wrecking balled everything in sight, the Department of State needs more hands on deck. Which is why Hillary is beefing up the department, and Obama has spoken of appointing some special emissaries to work certain hot spots.

Actually, it would make a lot of sense to have Bill as a special emissary at large. His skills could be used where needed. If a reasonable peace is ever reached between Israel and it's neighbors, Bill Clinton deserves to be a key part of that process for all the hard work he did in the past.

If Bill was State Department emissary Hillary would be his immediate boss. I like that idea.


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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 01:16 PM
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40. That is entirely Obama's call, but I'm pretty sure babysitting Bill Clinton isn't on his agenda.
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