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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-05 12:36 PM Original message |
If you had to guess how the tabulation fraud was pulled off on Nov. 2.. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-05 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
1. The ES&S machines in NM |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-05 12:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Since it actually came down to Ohio and Kerry was polling 53% in |
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berniew1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 09:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
101. Fla. had most fraud, but T. S. switching in 16 states &manipulation in 25 |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 12:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
30. Yes. How can everyone not see how blatant the fraud is? |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. They will when my parody Behind The Election starts spreading like... |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-05 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
2. Lock down in Warren Co. I think it was more than one thing...I really |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-05 09:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. bingo |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 12:07 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Mitofsky's computer "crashed" both 2000 AND 2004. |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 08:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
44. Carolab, did you read Votescam yet? Mitofsky has been complicit in |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 09:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I've read excerpts. Enough to understand the media is behind this all. |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 01:27 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Yep. Creative vote count reporting. Bad as e-voting. So what do we do? |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 01:49 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Kick the media out of the mix. |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 02:37 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I'm wondering if HR 550 would help. |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 02:46 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Good question. Can you pose it to someone in Congress or to Conyers? |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 02:46 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Deal n/t |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 07:02 PM Response to Reply #51 |
70. What's eom? |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 07:02 PM Response to Reply #50 |
69. Wilms, you brought this up in my post about the Election News Service. You |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 07:25 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. It seems so hopeful that it might be a bill killer. |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 07:39 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Wilms, check this out. Just did a search on Voter News Service which |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 02:23 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. I know what you're saying. |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 11:21 AM Response to Reply #74 |
84. According to this article, the ELection News Service is no more??? |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 02:52 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. But they've been replaced by something as evil, no?? n/t |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 06:33 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Thought they'd been replaced by the Voter News Service. But this |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 08:31 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Yes, yes. |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 03:17 AM Response to Reply #50 |
75. Ah, so in HAVA-ese this includes tabulators. |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 03:22 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. That's the kind of search I did with 550 and HAVA. |
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sacxtra (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 07:13 AM Response to Reply #50 |
91. "Stop wondering HR 550 won't help." |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 06:57 PM Response to Reply #48 |
68. Mitofsky is as complicit as the media. Read Votescam. |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
34. It was too important to "mastermind" |
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seaclyr (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 04:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
63. I have to agree with you... |
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gumby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-05 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
4. Good Question |
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Stevepol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-05 01:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. wouldn't require more than a handful of people. |
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bailey77 (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 11:04 AM Response to Reply #8 |
25. Could be done easily with one person |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. The majority of OH ballots were tabulated by ES&S and Triad... |
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bailey77 (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
42. Update, Conyers' staffers have requested info on the hack |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-05 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
5. Diebold GEMS allows importing of votes |
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bailey77 (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 10:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
24. Black Box Voting, working with another expert, has some answers |
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passy (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 02:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
59. How about using something like this? |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 06:01 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. How would someone who understood networking say this if they |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-05 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
6. Ohio Ballot Order |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-05 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
7. They must be doing something to silence potential whistle-blowers |
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passy (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 02:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
60. What if they were pardoned prisoners? |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-05 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
9. The reason I ask is I am doing a parody of Behind The Music called |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-05 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
10. kick for more ideas: was the election poll servers going down at... |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-05 10:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. In any 2 precincts that favored Kerry in any county, |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-05 10:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Arnebeck stated he believed Kerry votes were flipped to Bush |
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Number_6 (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 12:37 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Triad |
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Kip Humphrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 08:41 AM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Nov 2, 8:39 PM: Rove & Bush arrive at Oval Office "Election War Room" |
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chorti (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 11:47 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. I think that is a weak link in the moss/arnebeck case |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 12:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I live in SW Ohio and this is why I do not believe it was a weak link... |
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chorti (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. i'm not convinced |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Not when you consider SC was the last race on the ballot and |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-05 10:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Punch card have precinct codes pre punched. The only way to finesse that |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 12:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. Thank you for clearing that up. |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Yes Cuyahoga definitely had some voters sent to wrong punch card |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:46 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Machine Configuration Malfeasance on a Grand Scale |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 06:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. My mom was a poll worker for years and she said they set up |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 02:08 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Iceburg, check out this thread too: |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 10:06 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Thanks Bill ... I know the topic very well... |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 01:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. I thought you might! |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 02:32 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. BB -- you raise very good questions |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 06:16 AM Response to Reply #15 |
77. Are you certain that they are pre-punched and not ink-stamped? |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 10:02 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. It has been a couple months since I researched punch cards... |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 10:15 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. a picture of a punch card |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 11:06 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. rosebud, I cut my teeth on the BCD-H key-punch character set |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 03:12 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. I approached the punch card question from a tabulation fraud perspective.. |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 11:13 AM Response to Reply #87 |
92. Rosebud, I do discount neither the possibility nor the probability |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 08:20 PM Response to Reply #92 |
99. Will inquire at Hamilton County BoE, just read that Ohio African |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-05 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
12. 50 million with motive |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-05 10:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I'd like to nominate your post. But DU ain't set up for that. n/t |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 12:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. This is a hypothetical, the reason I need a best guess scenario... |
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On Par (912 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-03-05 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
17. Kerry Went From 15% to a 2% Margin in 4 hours in PA. |
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Bill Bored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. So why did he concede so soon? |
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On Par (912 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I Don't Think Kerry Should Have Conceded As Early As He Did |
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berniew1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
19. Touchscreen fraud documented in 15 states and ... |
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berniew1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 12:30 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Note that the documentation on Ohio has been updated/added to |
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indianaleft (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 10:02 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. central tabulator fraud would only require 4-5 people |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 12:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. GEMS is a Diebold Program. Did Diebold really do counts for other vendors? |
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chorti (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:04 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. and don't forget CBOSS |
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passy (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 02:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
62. Using this would help gain remote access! |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 10:37 AM Response to Reply #23 |
81. Does each state have a central tabulator? |
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lauralei (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
45. Most of us used punchcards |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:21 AM Response to Reply #45 |
53. There is compelling evidence both statistically |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:22 AM Response to Reply #45 |
54. The assumption is that punch cards deter tabulation fraud... |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 10:45 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Rosebud can you please point me to any on-line documents |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 05:25 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. I do not believe that they tested the punch cards, but she told me |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 12:14 AM Response to Reply #64 |
73. In other words, the machines were configured and tested |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 09:56 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. I don't know, but if you want to contact the Hamilton County BoE... |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 10:31 AM Response to Reply #45 |
56. ..and those punchcards were counted by computers running Triad software... |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 06:06 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. Not just Triad, if you look at Moss vs. Bush the biggest vote flips |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
67. Has anyone thought to try contacting hackers for insight?... |
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sacxtra (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
83. HERE'S HOW! GOD DAMN IT! |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 11:54 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. The penetration of the central tabulators is the easy part... |
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sacxtra (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 07:11 AM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Iceburg YES! YOUR DEAD ON. BUT WE ARE BEING IGNORED |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
93. Look at the residual rates |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Pattern for missing turnout data in the 2004 working paper? |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 04:45 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Very interesting pat, but the theory only applies to |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 06:47 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. ??? |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 06:48 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Bingo n/t |
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many a good man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
98. How Triad hacked |
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Ellipsis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 09:05 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. This post deserves it's own thread. More eyeballs should see this. |
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many a good man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-09-05 08:33 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. This is the hard stuff |
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Ellipsis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-05 12:00 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Thanks for the update. I applaud your efforts. and... |
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farmbo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-05 12:27 PM Response to Reply #98 |
105. Excellent! Must read! But why did Triad send out Techs before the Recount? |
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berniew1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-07-05 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
102. Several states appear were swung by fraud & manipulation: documentation |
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