very easy to understand chart of the NH primary vote

[ORDagnabbit]

[ORDagnabbit]

1. this was from dailykos....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/9/181852/2086/306/433947

[IndyOp]

20. The daily kos diary that your link leads to is now gone... (n/t)

[davidwparker]

2. that's odd. the numbers for Edwards, Kucinich, and Richardson are

relatively constant. I hadn't heard EXIT polls showing more people voted for Obama. Hillary's hand-counted votes match her exit polls, but the Diebold votes don't.

Strange.

[ORDagnabbit]

3. thats why people are upset and want to verify the machine tabulations with the ballots

[Hutzpa]

21. What did I say, I called it n/t

[OKNancy]

4. Oh good grief. Has it occured to you that

the machines are in the bigger cities where Clinton was strong. That is what the population votes said; Clinton did better in the cities.

[davidwparker]

5. "Clinton did better" - apparently

[ORDagnabbit]

6. so lets trust but verify and put it to rest.

its very simple in NH

all ballots are paper ballots. Count the paper ballots and compare to machine tabulation results.

[ORDagnabbit]

7. so they only did polling in the country and not in the city then?

[OKNancy]

11. The cities are where the machines are

Clinton won Nashua and Manchester. In the smaller towns, they hand count.
It is logical that the machine count is going to show Clinton with higher totals
than the hand counted ballots.

[ORDagnabbit]

12. okay but look at the chart and answer my question.

did they only poll and exit poll in the countryside?

Polling vs handcounts = same
Exit polling vs handcounts = same


polling vs machine count = error
exit polling vs machine count = error

[comradebillyboy]

8. sore-loserman nayh nayh nayh

what utter bullshit

[ORDagnabbit]

10. um...okay whats bullshit and why are you afraid of transparent and verifiable elections?

[chimpymustgo]

9. OMG - that spells it out. The handed counted votes MATCH the exit polls perfectly.

People - what more do you need to know?

[chimpymustgo]

13. Kicking. People HAVE to see this! nt

nt

[Emit]

14. Looks like they pulled it over at Kos.

Hmmmm.

[Junkdrawer]

15. Starting tomorrow, DU Diebold posts will move to the ER dungeon...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2646654#2647495

[Emit]

17. Well,

that's how I found DU, so, I guess I'll be visiting the Election Reform forum more often now.

[chimpymustgo]

16. Yep. I posted it in Skinner's thead about NH ballots, and another poster pointed out the link is

dead. Kos strikes again.

It really does us no good to stick our heads in the sand on this. Our democracy is at stake - and hanging by the slenderest of threads.

[jgraz]

19. Kos deletes any post questioning the machines

They've been doing it since 2004

[Sancho]

18. This is Great! We finally have a candidate who can beat the repubs!

If we can hack the elections as well as shrub did in Florida and Ohio, we might win. Go Hillary; and good job programming the tabulators!

I've been looking for a Democrat who knew how to win.


:dem: :applause:

[Marrah_G]

22. You must also consider that the precincts that hand count are not representative of the larger ones

And therefore will not have the same results.

[althecat]

23. I copied it in case the OP version gets over trafficked

[Blarch]

26. where does the exit poll average come from ?

I would like to know.

[creeksneakers2]

24. This OP contains false information

Exit polls did not place Hillary at 35%. They placed her at 39%.

[riqster]

31. Early exit polls, or the later adjusted polls?

[progressoid]

25. OMG, somebody created a chart with numbers on it.

Well that's proof enough for me!

[cloudythescribbler]

27. where are the SPECIFIC refutations of evidence such as this FROM THE MODERATORS????

They make a general claim that no credible evidence has been raised but then do nothing to address the evidence that is raised

[OnTheOtherHand]

28. what evidence, and evidence of what?

No, don't direct me to the picture in the OP. Use words to make something resembling an argument.

[stillcool]

30. Do you have "SPECIFIC" evidence...

that the vote was tabulated correctly?...How about in any of the recent past election cycles? Why would anyone believe, with the mountain of evidence available to anyone who cares to read it... that your vote will count in the future?

[riqster]

29. This is a classic example of why we need REAL election reform.

All of the numbers must be taken on faith-whether you oppose election reform (like many Hillary suppporters), or whether you favor it.

REAL reform would give us transparency and make this entire topic irrelevant.

BTW-MY candidate got 1%, so I don't think we'll see him win as a result of a recount. This is about our country's future, not a single candidate.

Are we Americans, or Hillaricans?
Are we Americans, or Obamites?
Are we Americans, or Edwardians?

I won't even TRY to write one for Kooch, but you get the idea.