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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 10:11 AM
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It's time to admit Nixon was wrong to "concede gracefully".
Edited on Mon Nov-15-04 10:38 AM by JHB
It's the Conventional Wisdom (or perhaps more accurately, the Washington Conventional Groupthink) that Richard Nixon set a laudable example in 1960 by not contesting the election on the grounds of vote tampering and fraud in Illinois, Texas and elsewhere. The idea is that a smooth, gentlemanly transition is preferable to a knock-down drag-out fight and all the ensuing bitterness one would cause.

After four decades, it's time to take a good look at that view and expose it for what it is: wrong, dead wrong.

Anyone concerned about bitter feelings from a post-election wrangle has obviously been living in an alternate dimension (such as Washington) for the past forty years, because they've completely missed the bitterness engendered by people who thought they were robbed.

Conservatives have used their suspicions (or outright convictions) as a rallying tool for decades. It became enshrined as a symbol of Democratic hypocracy and malfeasance. And they could do this -- unencumbered by evidence of fraud and tampering in Republican districts in their favor -- because there was no thorough investigation, thanks to Nixon's "gentlemanly act".

Now the movement that was spawned in the bitter bile of that election and borne of the Goldwater campaigns is in many ways in the same position the Democrats were back in 1960. As demonstrated in Florida in the elections of 2000, 2002, and 2004, they're more than willing to use the apparatus of state governments to throw obstructions in the way of legal (but expected opposition) voters, and even before addressing charges of outright tampering and fraud.

Yet still the press, the pundits, and even the Democrats' so-called leadership still harken back to Nixon as an example to follow.

Well, it's time to declare, loudly and clearly, that Dick Nixon was wrong! He did this country no favors in conceding when evidence existed of tampering. Failing to get to the bottom of the allegations has only led to recriminations, allowed wrongdoing to go unpunished, and now has come to the point where we've had TWO presidential elections IN A ROW with (putting it politely) substantial clouds over their validity, and a core of opposition convinced that they were stolen.

It's time to give "gracious & gentlemanly" the swift kick in the ass they deserve and perform a thorough audit of every election, exposing fraud when it happens and clearly identifying those malefactors that are undermining this most basic tool of democracy.

JHB

(ON EDIT: Yes, I know the legal challenges continued into December albiet without his name, that his challenging would have exposed massive Republican fraud downstate, etc. This is not about saying what Nixon should have ACTUALLY done in 1960, it's about putting an axe to the notion that contesting elections and forcing investigation of possible fraud is somehow merely "sour apples", that only "sore losers" don't pursue all avenues to their reasonable conclusion.

Nixon is the poster-boy for this sort of thinking, whatever the facts. Therefore, it's time to argue that Nixon Was Wrong.)
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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 10:15 AM
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1. NIXON HAD NO CHOICE
Nixon was cheating as much as Kennedy (if not more than). He was under a box (so to speak) and HAD NO CHOICE.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 10:17 AM
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2. there was nothing gracious about Richard Nixon n/t
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 10:19 AM
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4. It's not about him, it's about this mythology that's sprung up...
...that holds him up as a noble example and not just another thief in the night scurrying for cover.

It doesn't matter whether he could or couldn't have contested then, it must be declared that he was WRONG for not doing so.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 10:18 AM
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3. Dick Nixon was wrong!
I agree with that, but not in this case. Had he contested, they would've found fraud at epic proportions in outstate Illinois.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 10:21 AM
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5. Sure they would have...
...but it still must be declared a BAD EXAMPLE, not a good one.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 10:34 AM
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9. I see your point from a counter spin perspective
though I think 40 years of spin is not going to get changed. I don't think its worth any further damage to the legacy of JFK.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 10:42 AM
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10. The counterspin is not about an election 40 years ago...
...it's about the ones happening right now.

If you bring up allegations of fraud, some dumb cluck always brings up Nixon. It's time to tell the dumb clucks outright and to their faces "Well screw that, Nixon was wrong. This should be investigated!"
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 10:47 AM
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12. sure, that should be said, I agree
its not going to be effective due to that 40 years of spin, but yeah, sure.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 10:57 AM
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14. That's OK...
...It's not the Old Guard that needs to be convinced, it's the new "kids" coming up. That's where it can make a difference.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:02 AM
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15. agree
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 10:22 AM
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6. Typical Nixon ploy while the GOP did contest the results.
...while Nixon publicly pooh-poohed a challenge, his allies did dispute the results—aggressively. The New York Herald Tribune's Earl Mazo, a friend and biographer of Nixon's, recounted a dozen-odd fishy incidents alleged by Republicans in Illinois and Texas. Largely due to Mazo's reporting, the charges gained wide acceptance.

But it wasn't just Mazo who made a stink. The press went into a brief frenzy in the weeks after the election. Most important, the Republican Party made a veritable crusade of undoing the results. Even if they ultimately failed, party leaders figured, they could taint Kennedy's victory, claim he had no mandate for his agenda, galvanize the rank and file, and have a winning issue for upcoming elections.

Three days after the election, party Chairman Sen. Thruston Morton launched bids for recounts and investigations in 11 states—an action that Democratic Sen. Henry Jackson attacked as a "fishing expedition." Eight days later, close Nixon aides, including Bob Finch and Len Hall, sent agents to conduct "field checks" in eight of those states. Peter Flanigan, another aide, encouraged the creation of a Nixon Recount Committee in Chicago. All the while, everyone claimed that Nixon knew nothing of these efforts—an implausible assertion that could only have been designed to help Nixon dodge the dreaded "sore loser" label.

The Republicans pressed their case doggedly. They succeeded in obtaining recounts, empanelling grand juries, and involving U.S. attorneys and the FBI. Appeals were heard, claims evaluated, evidence weighed. The New York Times considered the charges in a Nov. 26 editorial. (Its bold verdict: "It is now imperative that the results in each state be definitively settled by the time the electoral college meets.")

full article here: http://slate.msn.com/id/91350
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 10:23 AM
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7. LOL - Nixon DID NOT "concede gracefully".- last court case ended 12/23
Edited on Mon Nov-15-04 10:25 AM by papau
The only thing Nixon did was to refuse to use his name on all the court cases.

The RNC - under Nixon's orders - had a dozen court cases going right up to the electorial college meeting.

I love Conventional Wisdom planted by the GOP and sold by our media!

:-)

I went one on one with Kiplinger (the ed of the mag of the same name)back in 2000 - and I treasure his email where he admits I am correct as to the continuing court cases and as to the "belief of some who have study the Illinois 1960 vote" that massive GOP fraud had occurred in downstate that would have been revealed if Nixon fought in court - and that those folks feel that this was the reason he did not contest Ill.

His email then ends that nevertheless, Nixon's name was not on any court suit in 1960.

LOL

I like the fellow - Kiplinger

but PLEASE - "gracious & gentlemanly" was not Nixon

:toast:
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 10:24 AM
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8. Nixon did not bow out
He was sneaky about it, read this please

http://slate.msn.com/id/91350/
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fnottr Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 10:43 AM
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11. I never thought I might say this as a good thing
but maybe Kerry -is- following Nixon's example, except he's letting the third parties do the fighting this time. History has been pretty kind to Nixon reguarding the '60 election, so maybe Kerry's hoping for the same.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 10:49 AM
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13. Better to expose the myth rather than continue to perpetuate it.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:08 AM
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16. Nixon was soft
:party:
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:09 AM
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17. let's not overlook the scale of the election fraud . . .
in 1960, it was centered in one state -- Illinois -- and was the product of one man's efforts -- Chicago Mayor Richard Daley . . . in 2004, the scope of election fraud appears to be nationwide . . . and, unlike 1960, the entire electoral process has essentially been turned over to private corporations which a) are huge BushCo supporters, b) have ultra-right wing CEOs with Dominionist connections (some of them, anyhow), and c) claim their voting machine code as proprietary and refuse to allow anyone to examine it for errors or manipulation . . . big difference from 44 years ago, imo, and far, far scarier . . .
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