Liberal_in_LA
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Mon Dec-31-07 07:00 PM
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Just watched 'Pulp Fiction'. Why is it considered so great? |
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I watched Pulp Fiction for the first time! I was viewing a lot of top-movies-of-all-times lists and decided to see what the fuss was about. Ok, it was well acted... Samuel Jackson, Travolta and Bruce willis did a fine job. The dialogue was witty, although there were a few too many 'n' word and 'f' words for my taste. I thought it was a good film but the greatest of all times???
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Mon Dec-31-07 07:02 PM
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1. You have to consider when it came out |
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The 80's were notorious for cookie-cutter movies (much like today) that followed a proscribed paint by numbers formula.
Out comes this movie from nowhere, that's completely nihilist in its outlook.
Today, that has become the norm, but check out the movies before it.
We need something new to knock things into gear again.
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Mon Dec-31-07 07:03 PM
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2. I see... like when 'I love Lucy' was created.. First sitcom ever. |
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All of the great films from the 1980s up to that time, that could be called "art," had a distinctly female appeal.
Here comes PF and it's got guns and swearing and amazing dialog (which you may or may not have been primed for with Reservoir Dogs) - all that guy stuff - and a meaningful plot, to boot.
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Mon Dec-31-07 07:07 PM
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with a circular story line - very clever. Apart from that its black humour as opposed to Reservoir Dogs for exmaple which is just plain violent.
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Mon Dec-31-07 07:16 PM
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6. The story timeline messed w my head a bit (spoilers ahead) |
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I think it was middle, beginning, end
1a. couple attempt to rob restaurant 1. killing of college boys 2. Travolta dates Uma 3. Willis wins fight - long sequence ending with Willis killing Travolta & Willis and Ving Rhames making nice 4. Travolta accidently kills Marvin, long sequence ending with Samuel Jackson's epiphany.
chronilogical order would be 2, 1,1a & 4, 3
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Mon Dec-31-07 08:12 PM
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16. Another spoiler ahead |
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Yes - I think you expressed the sequence quite well.
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Wed Feb-13-08 04:34 AM
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But the actual order is 1 (Travolta's character has a chat with Jackson's character about the impending date before they kill the kids), 4 (which happens on the way back from the events of (1), but the epiphany happens at the end of (1a)), 1a, 2, then 3. All the major characters in the movie have a chance at redemption; which Willis and Jackson's characters accept, and Travolta's character rejects.
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Wed Feb-13-08 10:19 PM
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It's what it's all about. Travolta opts out and gets killed. I just taught "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" to my seniors this week and we had a discussion about Pulp Fiction and the connections to the poem (only about half of the class had seen the movie, but it was a good side discussion).
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Mon Dec-31-07 07:12 PM
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4. Watched it yesterday for the first time.... what impressed me |
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was the way Mr. Tarentino gloats in the interviews on the second CD. He may be a genius, the actors certainly seemed to like him, but as far as the movie went, I just wasn't all that impressed. My impression of it was what was created by most kids the first day they received an erector set. Probably not a beautiful thing to look at but perhaps functional at least. Please excuse the grammatical errors.
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Mon Dec-31-07 07:17 PM
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7. So I'm not alone is watching 'PF' 13 years after release! Didn't have the version with extras |
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Mon Dec-31-07 07:34 PM
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11. A acquaintance lent it to me... in turn I will lend him "V". He will of course |
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get the better deal imho. :)
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Mon Dec-31-07 07:15 PM
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Plus the movie resurrected the careers of Bruce Willis and John Travolta.
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Mon Dec-31-07 07:18 PM
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8. sure did. Who knew Bruce & Travolta could act! |
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Mon Dec-31-07 07:23 PM
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10. Brilliantly composed scenes.... |
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Mon Dec-31-07 07:35 PM
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I guess if you drop the F bomb enough times it qualifies as great in some books.
I wouldn't even rank it as Most Pretentious Film of All Time, although it sure comes close.
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Mon Dec-31-07 07:35 PM
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13. How about the soundtrack? |
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What an eclectic collection, from 50's to the 90's, country to pop to beach tunes. As in Kill Bill 1 and 2, the music is perfect.
Miserlou Jungle Boogie Let's Stay Together Lonesome Town Son of a Preacher Man Bullwinkle Part II You Never Can Tell Girl, You'll Be a Woman Soon If Love Is a Red Dress (Hang Me In Rags) Flowers On the Wall Surf Rider
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Mon Dec-31-07 07:50 PM
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Really - allot of good (weird, deranged) people in it - and we like that - look at all those Republicans running - kind of fun to watch (don't want to - but cant turn off the TV)
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Mon Dec-31-07 08:08 PM
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15. Might be a generational thing |
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As a curiosity, how old are you? (Same goes for others responding) From my perspective: "Pulp Fiction" came out in 1993-94, when I was wrapping up college. Quentin Tarantino had already made a splash with "Reservoir Dogs", riding the early 90s indie filmmaking juggernaut that would launch the careers of guys like Kevin Smith (with "Clerks"), Robert Rodriguez ("El Mariachi") and Richard Linklater ("Slacker"), lead to Oscar-winning movies like "Sling Blade" (written/directed by and starring Billy Bob Thornton) and transform small studios like Miramaz and New Line Cinema from distributors of low-budget horror and thrillers, to art-house darlings, and eventually A-list Hollywood factories. For myself and lot of other folks, Tarantino's stuff hit a chord, partly due to sheer audacity and shock value (very un-PC and profane dialogue) plus some (at least we thought then) very clever writing and editing techniques. "Dogs" and later "Pulp Fiction" became highly quoted movies for my age group, and their hip, post-modern crime-story take on storytelling is still influencing films now ("Sin City," "Lucky Number Slevin" and "Shootin' Aces" would be recent examples, in my opinion). "Pulp" and movies like it grabbed us the way Seattle grunge and certain novels did. However, in retrospect, despite the eventual critical accolades "Pulp Fiction" did receive, I'd have to say a lot of it was hype and fad. I still think "Pulp Fiction" is pretty well put together, but I'd not saw it's "clever" as opposed to "smart".
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Mon Dec-31-07 08:51 PM
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that a lot of it was hype and fad.
I'm older - 50 - and remember when "Pink Flamingos" was considered genius by some. IMO as we get older both audacity and cleverness carry very little weight, in any artistic endeavor.
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Mon Dec-31-07 11:04 PM
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18. I'm 50 - loved Pulp Fiction then, love it now |
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Edited on Mon Dec-31-07 11:04 PM by Skittles
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Mon Dec-31-07 11:13 PM
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19. Fantastic film (SPOILERS, so there!) |
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There's a moment in which Bruce Willis, having freed himself from the dungeon, pauses at the door, then goes back to rescue Marcellus. I don't think I've ever seen a more perfectly crystalized moment of character transformation in an American film (if you can think of one, please name it). He could leave and be totally in the clear; the man who wants to kill him will be dead, and the three deviants sure as hell won't go to the cops to report their prisoner missing. But he nonetheless rises above himself and goes back to rescue his own would-be executioner.
Christopher Walken's monologue about the watch is one of the best self-contained mini-narratives in American cinema.
The camera work and cinematography are extraordinary, especially in the context of the time, as others have mentioned.
It's not for everyone, to be sure, and I still don't like Travolta all that much.
But any film with Harvey Keitel is guaranteed to be fucking awesome at least while he's onscreen.
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Tue Jan-01-08 08:16 AM
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On a par with that is Denis Hopper's to Christopher Walken in the mobile home / caravan scene in True Romance.
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Tue Jan-01-08 04:26 PM
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22. Exactly! Likewise Baldwin's legendary scene in Glengarry Glen Ross |
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It's rare that a scene is written and delivered so well, while being so self-contained, that it could practically be a (very) short film all on its own.
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Fri Jan-18-08 02:45 AM
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Such an amazing scene. I really liked the whole movie, but that scene is timeless. I have to admit that Ben Affleck did a decent job trying to embody that roll in Boiler Room (which is another great sales movie). Probably the best performance of his career, lol!
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Mon Jan-07-08 06:59 AM
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The watch scene with Christopher Walken! I mean, come on! His acting style can be so mannered at times, but it's a testament to QT that he blended humor, pathos, and drew both out until you thought it would snap. And somehow, despite the absurdity of the speech, it's even a bit moving. I was in such awe that I was mentally blank for a second after the scene ended.
There have been many times since when I thought Quentin Tarantino should be stopped. (From Dusk Till Dawn, producing Hostel, etc.) But I, as I think many, remember Pulp Fiction and recall what he did there, and decide lightning could strike again.
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Mon Dec-31-07 11:44 PM
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20. Pulp Fiction? Fan-fucking-tastic |
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At the time, it was an outside the box film. It helped usher in a new wave of films and directors. But to each their own. I still don't understand the love of The Big Lebowski(and you thought PF had too many F words) or Fargo. Maybe it's seeing them after so many years of hype and best of lists. When you finally get around to seeing them, your expectations are sky high and it's almost impossible for ANY film to live up to them. I bought the Citizen Kane 2 disc set a year or so ago, but still haven't watched it. I guess I'm afraid of the same thing again.
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Wed Jan-02-08 05:09 AM
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24. Watched Citizen Kane then rewatched with Ebert's commentary... then I got why it was so great. |
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The Ebert commentary explained scene by scene why C. Kane was so great. FOR IT'S TIME it was groundbreaking.
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Thu Jan-03-08 04:27 PM
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26. Citizen Kane contains my favorite shot of any movie |
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when Kane is standing in front of the huge fireplace during the puzzle scene. He is so small and insignificant amidst all that he has amassed. Think about it probably weekly.
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27. Remember the scene. Fireplace was big enough to raise a family in. |
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Tue Jan-01-08 09:07 PM
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23. For me, it's the dialog |
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There are more quotable lines from this movie than any ten others I could name. The characters are vivid, absurd and utterly engaging, evil or not. And the performances are priceless, even Eric Stolz' as a preppy, racist smack dealer. But the prize goes to Samuel Jackson, whose every utterance is a hoot. Also, '94 was a time when "irony" was extemely hip, and this movie is loaded with it. My favorite example is how Jules is able to talk smack to Marcellus, the big boss, and get the results he wants, but he's totally intimidated by this hen-pecked dweeb in a bathrobe who frets over linens and whines about getting divorced. Hilarious. And the scene at Jack Rabbit Slim's is an all-time classic. I'll admit I didn't "get" it a first, but it's become one of my all-timers, and one of a very few I can watch over and over.
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Wed Jan-02-08 09:43 AM
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25. The Gimp...'nuff said. |
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Tue Jan-08-08 04:05 PM
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29. I caught it on video... |
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...about a year after it was released in theaters. I was 30 years old. It didn't do a thing for me. In fact, when I first saw a trailer for it I didn't think the trailer made it look terribly interesting but the other people in the theater seemed to get really excited by it. After it hit the theaters and I kept hearing good things about it, I figured that maybe the trailer hadn't done the movie justice. But I'd put off seeing it for too long and it was no longer in theaters by the time I'd made up my mind to see it so I had to wait for the video. I didn't think it was worth the wait. I kept waiting for the movie to take off and then suddenly the credits were rolling. I tried to watch it a second time but I was bored stiff now that I knew how each segment turned out. I didn't care much for Reservoir Dogs either and I was starting to think that maybe I just wasn't into Tarantino at all but then I saw Jackie Brown which I loved and have seen many, many times. I have the DVD. But Pulp Fiction? Meh.
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Tue Jan-08-08 05:06 PM
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I watched Pulp Fiction last summer...first I didn't like it much... But then I changed a bit my mind... It's not so bad.
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Fri Jan-18-08 02:42 AM
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31. If you like Tarantino it's a great movie. |
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If you aren't into the raw swearing and blood all over, its not for you. That's just Tarantino for you...
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Wed Feb-13-08 11:46 PM
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35. That's Marcellis's soul in the briefcase!!! |
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That's what's so great about it!! His soul is in there!! HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE IN YOUR LIFE?!?! ANd they took it out of the back of his neck, thus the bandage you see when we first meet Marcellis in the bar!!
Yahoo!!
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Sat Feb-16-08 09:07 PM
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36. I watched Get Shorty last night and it kinda reminded me of Pulp Fiction. |
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All of these folks get killed though and there was no blood.
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Sun Feb-17-08 08:41 PM
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37. "why is it considered so great?" becase it is. |
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"greatest of all times???" no
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Wed Feb-20-08 09:22 AM
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39. I only thought it was okay too. |
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Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 09:22 AM by shenmue
It wasn't a bad movie, I just didn't think it was the greatest ever. Sometimes cult fandom builds a life of its own, and a lot of things speak only to insiders. :shrug: To each his own.
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