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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 03:39 PM Original message |
What defines a Christian? |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. without jesus you are going to that hot place even if you've lived a perfect life? nt |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. According to Martin Luther, yes. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Yes, Martin Luther was so disgusted by the selling of indulgences, |
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mikelewis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. No, you are not going to that hot place even if you didn't live a perfect life... |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. That's interesting. |
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mikelewis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
39. I would tend to let the reported words of Christ trump Luke's Acts... |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 01:43 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. So you acknowledge the uncertain authorship of the Bible, but decide for yourself which books count? |
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mikelewis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. I never said some books count and some do not... |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. If you are not an authority on its contents, how do you know that you're right? |
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mikelewis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 08:13 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. No one can be certain that they are right... |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #20 |
41. I would have to disagree with you. |
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mikelewis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 09:07 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Christ in not the name but the spirit... |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
2. Jesus was not just an incarnation, he was the Son of God. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Doesn't that imply polytheism? |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #14 |
31. That's why the Catholics messed with the Creed. |
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trixie (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-14-08 01:35 AM Response to Reply #14 |
62. Exactly! |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
3. The Nicene Creed |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #3 |
26. Which version? |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-15-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
68. Pentecostals are heretics, according to the Ecumenical Councils |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
4. Baptism |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Other religions have water-baptism and not all Christian sects do baptisms. |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
5. Well, then I guess I and others like the Unitarian Universalists don't count |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Hence my original post. |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. None. You will not find a definition that all of us agree upon because we |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. So then how do you define someone as Christian? |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. For myself, I was a literal Christian as a kid and I married into a RW evangelical family |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:01 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. That would imply different religions under one banner. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 02:45 AM Response to Reply #5 |
57. UUs don't have a creedal test. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
8. Jesus is the Son of God |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
9. "being a christian" is used in (at least) two different ways: |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. In addition, within the last few decades, evangelicals and fundamentalists |
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arKansasJHawk (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. That's anything but a recent phenomenon ... |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
77. Yep - as far as word meanings go, however |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 02:13 AM Response to Reply #9 |
24. You're right, it doesn't help with the question I have. |
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greendog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
10. "Christian" is a word that people "tag" themselves with. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. So should that be considered a religion or a philosophy? |
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greendog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-28-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. The word "Christian" is like a bag with a fashionable logo printed on it. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
25. If in doubt, go to the root meaning of the word |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
27. This is a more difficult question than you realize. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Yup. What Knitter said. nt |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-29-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. That's pretty much my point. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. It sounds like what's really tripping you up is Christian code. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Thanks, that's helpful. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I think C should own up to A being part of the faith. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. It's good to know that people like you exist. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Yeah, well, you should hear how my STBX-husband describes me. |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Christians self-identify. They are so because they say so. |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
32. I would say that most "Christians" are actually "Paulists" |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. It depends on which branch of Christianity you're talking about. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-30-08 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
40. There are far too many answers |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 02:34 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. I have seen threads on this site (including this one) where posters seem to know. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 07:45 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Seem to "believe" they know |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 03:21 AM Response to Original message |
44. If you want the common denominator of all who call themselves Christian |
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TWiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 05:33 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I would edit that to say "People who CLAIM to follow the teachings of Jesus" |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Edit 2: "People who claim to follow their cherry-picked teachings of Jesus", nt |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Or being a bit less negative: who "try" to do so. nt |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. I would agree that the most inclusive definition is the only |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. That would simply mean anyone who identifies themselves as Christian, right? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-02-08 08:19 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Yes. It's self-identified, bottom-line |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-01-08 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
48. Whatever helps Xians look the best apparently. |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-03-08 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
58. I tend to think that religions are based on their books |
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peruban (888 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-04-08 04:39 AM Response to Original message |
59. Hey, laconicsax , I believe I can help answer this for you. |
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peruban (888 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-04-08 06:08 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Revised list of general definition |
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trixie (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-14-08 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
61. Taking Jesus Christ as Savior |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-14-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Ah, but how do you define that? |
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trixie (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-15-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. That's the point |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-15-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. So much for having a conversation, then. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-15-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. It's just another case of a non-believer trying to define believers. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-16-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Heck, I've got tons more to get under my skin these days. |
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Sam1 (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-14-08 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
63. The answer to one simple question. What say you of Christ, |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-15-08 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
69. The Holy Spirit himself gave that definition more than a thousand years ago |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-16-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. I agree! |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-16-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. That is why questions like this are meaningless, or worse |
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Fenmick (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-08 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
73. So, George W. Bush - Christian? |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 04:57 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Christians are self identifying. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Agree. |
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dcsmart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
76. read the 3 three gospels |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
78. To try to be like Christ |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. There's an even bigger problem you missed. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. HAHAHAHAHAHA true that |
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