Why Can't Red Sox Fans Show Some Friggin Class

[Yavin4]

Come on. You don't take a swipe at players on the field. STAY OUT OF THE GAME!!!

[DaveinMD]

1. Security in Boston

is a joke. This only happens there. Its ludicrous. Boston fans and class is like Bush and honesty.

[rockymountaindem]

3. Let's not forget that they had to call out the riot squad

in the Bronx last year after A-Rod's little cheating rant.

Oh yeah, and wasn't Karim Garcia arrested in Boston for punching someone?

[El Supremo]

33. A security guard was in the stands almost immediately.

This is a good example of how eye witnesses contradict each other so much of the time. And this is TV with replays! Sheesh!

Actually, I think the fan was trying to prevent the guy on his left from interfering and accidentally hit Sheffield.

[DaveinMD]

35. give me a break

he veered his arm right into Sheffield. IN NY, if you interfere with a foul ball you are arrested. Here, a guy hits a player and isn't even arrested. What a joke.

[El Supremo]

54. The Battle resumes May 27th.

Right now it is tied.

I can't wait.

[kcr]

2. The rest of the country

will now smile at the image of a Yabkees fan telling a Sox fan about class ... :)

[Submariner]

5. I know

it never happened there. Ha HA

[DaveinMD]

7. that crap

doesn't happen at the Stadium because the Yankees actually have security that does there job. That guy hit Sheffield in the head. IN THE HEAD

[kcr]

13. Based on what I have heard

it was inadvertnat - guy going for a bll and get Shefield by accident.

And, not to be too serious her, Yankees fans do not have what one would consider a good reputation in other cities. Hence my amusement.

All we are saying is that it behooves people not to castigate all fans for one guys actions -- especiallywhen one considers the reputation your own fan base has.

[DaveinMD]

25. the Yankee fans

don't attack players like this. Boston fans are the lowest of the low and their security doesn't do their jobs.

[MADem]

21. No, that only happens on the road (sarcasm)

Like when the Yankee pitchers beat the shit out of a towel boy in the bullpen who was rooting for the Sox at Fenway.

[DaveinMD]

45. after he attacked

the Yankees players.

[MADem]

81. He did not, ya little liah!

He was an employee, waving his towel and cheering his team on after a good hit, and the bullpen jumped on the kid and stomped the fucking shit out of him. They left CLEAT MARKS on his back. The players, as I recall, went to court over the matter--the chickenshit putzes, attacking a towel boy! A little too much steroid with their morning coffee, mayhaps? Or perhaps scrawny Fenway towel boys waving towels are a threat to Yankee players? Come on, reality check!

Ahhh, here's a link! http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1642579

BOSTON -- Police have decided to seek assault and battery charges against Yankees reliever Jeff Nelson and right fielder Karim Garcia for a bullpen brawl with a Red Sox employee.

A spokesman for the Suffolk County district attorney, David Procopio, said police planned to ask a clerk-magistrate Tuesday to schedule a show-cause hearing to determine whether there is probable cause to charge the players.

"Boston police have conducted a very comprehensive investigation and moved slowly with good reason. We wanted to make sure we had the clearest picture of what occurred," Procopio said Monday.

I guess they only charged the Yankee players because Boston is so mean to them. Boo, hoo! :cry: You totally blew your credibility with that halfassed accusation, ya know...

[DaveinMD]

82. that's one side of the story

the Yankee players had a counter suit that they dropped as part of the agreement. Why have the so-called Boston police not arrested this fan tonight or even asked Sheffield for a statement.

[MADem]

87. Oh really?

An AGREEMENT?? Do tell!!!

Sounds like they got a REEEEAAALLLY lousy deal then, what with the probation, community service, and anger management, the requirement for good behavior or else, plus the payout to Paul Williams, towelboy extraordinaire with cleat marks on his back. To me, that sounds like they paid the guy off, but hey, that's just MY take.

They took the best deal they could get, any countersuit would not have stood an ice cube's chance in hell, and they were looking at jail time for assault and battery...but hey, believe what you will.

I gotta hand it to you, though--you are a rabid fan....emphasis on the rabid!

On edit--uh, you didn't quite tell the truth there--you seem to be having trouble in that regard. The countersuit did not pass the smell test: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1909571

Charges were dropped last week against Paul Williams, 25, of Derry, N.H., a part-time groundskeeper who got into the brawl with the two players. Suffolk District Attorney Daniel Conley said a review found there wasn't enough evidence to back up a cross-complaint brought by Nelson against Williams, who teaches special education at a middle school in New Hampshire.

Real men don't beat up special ed teachers.....!!!!!

[DaveinMD]

88. I'm a big fan

but the game isn't what's got me angry. Its seeing a fan attack a player, and seeing people I respect here defend that fan. I don't like that one bit.

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[candy]

8. Yeah,it kind if was a "huh?" moment for me.

Go Sox!

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[Kathy in Cambridge]

52. Pot calling the kettle black

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[ClarkUSA]

4. Can't show what you don't have.

Just wait until they show up in the Bronx.

[noahmijo]

6. Eh I won't act like us Bronx Boys are much better BUT

This guy was obviously some drunken douchebag who thinks he's some kinda tough guy cause he got a little alkie in him.

Who the hell does he think he is besides some pansie ass little office warmer?

He woulda been cut if he pulled that shit at Bronx Stadium tell ya that much, I love how all the boys ran out to right field to back up Gary though, it's family man I tell ya.

Gotta give credit to the security there though and to the Sox players themselves for not egging on their fans. I almost feel bad for Damon (the only Sox player who is worth a damn imo) when I saw the look of "oh shit not again" across his face.

[Yavin4]

9. Red Sox Fans Really Do Need To Get A Life

They really, really do.

[angryinoville]

15. Don't lump us all into that category

That type of shit ruins the game for me.

[DaveinMD]

32. you defended it by the Yankees suck mantra

and said it blown out proportion. You lumped yourself in with them.

[El Supremo]

10. Bull

The runs would have scored anyway. And I didn't see much of a swipe.

Yankees suck and they wait for something to happen in Fenway's right field to blow out of proportion.

Did I mention that the Yankees suck raw rotten eggs?

[rockymountaindem]

12. Tell it like it is!

[DaveinMD]

30. and how is it like

Is it fair game for Yankees to be assaulted on the field of play because you don't like them.

[rockymountaindem]

51. Don't act like similar things have never happend with Yankees.

Karim Garcia ring a bell?

[DaveinMD]

57. Garcia and Nelson

are asses. They got into a fight with an employee of the Red Sox who provoked them. But fans in NY don't attack players. To defend the action of this fan is ludicrous. Its beneath you. Boston condones this behavior from their fans. He wasn't even arrested. IN NY, you get arrested if you interfere with a ball in play.

[rockymountaindem]

65. I'm not condoning him.

I just don't get the righteous anger. One guy did something extraordinarily stupid, and you're blaming the entire Red Sox nation? Don't hold us responsible for what laws they do or don't have in Boston.

Perhaps they just shouldn't allow people to sit in the first two rows of seats.

[DaveinMD]

71. how about

having some security out there to prevent things from happening. I've often seen this in NY. I am upset with people excusing this behavior. Players should not be attacked. I can't believe this guy wasn't arrested.

[rockymountaindem]

77. Some are saying it was incidental contact.

Even Sheff said it was only the bill of his cap after the game (according to what I've heard). Considering the controversy, why should we jump to the conclusion that the dude was attacking Sheffield? Whatever happened to innoscent until proven guilty?

And furthermore, what is security supposed to do? Hang the jackass from Pesky's Pole by his underwear? You can't have a guard in front of every seat. Sheesh.

[DaveinMD]

78. arrest him

for trespassing at the least. Anyone who interferes with a ball in NY is treated that way. Sheff said the police haven't even asked for a statement. The guy meant to hit him. He didn't even reach down for the ball.

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[tsakshaug]

117. unless

"IN NY, you get arrested if you interfere with a ball in play."

Unless you are a kid that reaches out to catch a fly ball to turn it into a home run- then you are a hero

[HuckleB]

141. LOL!

:)

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[El Supremo]

17. That guy is gone. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

18. No sportmanship from Boston

As usual.

[MADem]

40. Boston did not make the biggest fan incidents, though

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=list/alltimebrawls

Though Jimmie Piersall, a Bay State lad (and later, my milkman) playing for the Indians at the time, did....to the fans' credit, they cheered Mr. Fear Strikes Out:

Piersall's punch, kick and catch contest (Indians at New York, 1961)
In the first game of a doubleheader at Yankee Stadium, Cleveland's Jimmy Piersall was minding his own business in center field when two fans came out of the stands in the seventh inning and tried to attack him. Piersall immediately scored a knockdown punch on one. The other, mustering all his courage, ran away as quickly as possible. But Piersall took off after him, getting not-quite-close enough to land a rough kick on the kid. No problem. By then, Piersall's teammates, Johnny Temple and Walt Bond, had arrived to land a few solid blows.

Barely missing a beat, Piersall made a spectacular catch at the fence to rob Johnny Blanchard of a two-run homer. Dig this: Yankee fans gave Piersall a huge cheer as he left the field.

And then, there was a KNIFE THROWING fan at Yankee Stadium, too: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/news/2002/09/19/fan_violence/

Date: Aug. 26, 1986
Setting: Yankee Stadium

A Bowie hunting knife with a five-inch blade was thrown at California Angels rookie Wally Joyner after his team's 2-0 defeat of the Yankees. Joyner was grazed on the left arm by the butt end of the weapon, escaping injury. Said Joyner: "I picked it up and gave it to Gene Mauch."

Then you have fans falling from the upper decks at Yankee, too: http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/05-00/05-27-00/c01sp096.htm

In a game interrupted when a fan fell from the upper deck onto the screen behind home plate, Boston beat New York 4-1 Friday night on the pitching of Ramon Martinez.
The fan, identified as Stephen Laurenzi, 24, of Yonkers, N.Y., was briefly unconscious as he was sprawled on the screen. Able to walk later, he was arrested on a charge of disorderly conduct, police Lt. John Roeder said.

Yankee fans are certainly not saints: http://sptimes.com/2005/03/29/Northpinellas/Yankee_fan_guilty_of_.shtml A New York Yankees fan charged with attacking a man wearing a Boston Red Sox cap after the American League Championship Series last year has pleaded guilty to an aggravated assault charge. Tampa resident Richard F. Padilla, 31, was sentenced to 18 months of probation and ordered to have no contact with the victim, William Grant. According to Largo police, Padilla charged Grant outside a bar just hours after the Red Sox beat the Yankees in the seventh game of the series. Padilla ordered Grant to throw his Red Sox cap on the ground and spit on it, but Grant refused. When Padilla grabbed a hammer, Grant threw down the hat but still did not spit. Grant told police that the attacker smashed a car window with the hammer and left. Police used credit card transactions from the bar to track down Padilla and arrest him. Padilla told police that Grant teased him and his friend about the Yankees' loss. Grant has said he did not provoke the attack. The Red Sox went on to beat the St. Louis Cardinals in the World Series.

The point of all this: You find it EVERYWHERE, this fan misbehavior. It's silly and childish to generalize and say that one group is worse or better than another.

[ClarkUSA]

97. Um, this ain't no corner bar atmosphere that's fer damn sure

Didn't expect the lecture with the moralizing at the end.

To quote a brilliant man...
"The people excusing the behavior of this fan have no class."

[MADem]

102. No one is excusing the fan, necessarily

It's the attitude that Boston is full of vicious thugs that is raising this discussion to the level of the absurd. Like all the choirboys (players excepted, of course) live in New Yawk City!

Let's get real--there are goons in all the stands in baseball (and any other sports town, for that matter), the idea that Beantowners are somehow special in this regard is nonsensical.

[DaveinMD]

103. some did defend the fan

and that is what got me really upset. Its inexcuseable.

[edbermac]

20. The guy was arrested by the way...

And no one is excusing Boston fans actions or NY fans actions...give me a break...

[DaveinMD]

22. there were some that said

its like that doesn't happen in NY. It doesn't happen because the Yankees security does their damn jobs to prevent things from happening.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

58. Oh bullshit

it happens everywhere-and I've been to Yankee stadium lots and seen bad behaviour there too. It's what happens when sports and alcohol mix. Yankee security is no better than Boston security.

[DaveinMD]

62. bullshit back at you

Yankees security is much tighter. And it all over the place and visible.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

64. I had Sox seasons tickets until last year

and I go to Yankee stadium a half dozen times a year. I go to about 40 Sox games a year at Fenway.

Since you're in MD, when was the last time you were at Yankee stadium?

[DaveinMD]

68. August of last year

I have gone to Yankees Stadium about 6 times a year until now. That will be cut down because of our new baby. I even went to some Sox-Yankees games.

I'll be in NY on business and will go to two games this year. I live in Maryland, my parents and sisters still live in NY.

[El Supremo]

27. No he wasn't.

ESPN clarified that.

[ClarkUSA]

16. Shit.

Only after the Red Sox lay them.

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[cruadin]

19. That guy was an asshole and he was thrown out of the place.

I'm a Red Sox fan and that was a totally bullshit move. Anybody who interferes with a game in progress should, at a minimum, spend the night in jail, and I hope that's where that jackoff is headed.

A totally bullshit move by the fan.

[Yavin4]

24. You Don't Interfere With The Play

You don't reach over into fair territory for the ball. OKay.

[DaveinMD]

26. he hit him in the head

I can't believe people here are actually excusing this. And the fan wasn't arrested according to ESPN. That's assault plain and simple.

[MaineDem]

29. It was a beer, for goodness sake

And it may have been inadvertant.

And thanks for the broad brush smear of the fans.

Everyone has her/his own opinion and some people are idiots, regardless of the ballpark or team loyalty. No excuses for bad behavior, however.

and THHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEE Red Sox won. :evilgrin:

[DaveinMD]

31. it wasn't a beer

he hit Sheffield in the head. You don't touch players. This is a huge deal and its a travesty he wasn't arrested. Your team's fans are pathetic.

[MaineDem]

34. I don't appreciate being called pathetic.

I didn't do it, for goodness sake.

[DaveinMD]

36. why do these things

keep happening in Boston then. I think its a valid question.

[El Supremo]

39. Beacause they have been the only real opposition to the Evil Empire. n/t

[DaveinMD]

42. so because you don't like the other team

it excuses players getting attacked by fans. That is a pathetic.

[El Supremo]

61. Now you want to get into politics.

The Yankees are the perfect representative of what is wrong with pure Capitalism. Every position is an All Star? The highest payroll in baseball? The most valuable franchise in all sports?

The better players will win.

[DaveinMD]

63. those arguments have nothing to do with anything

you are excusing a fan attacking a player because they don't like the other team. Stop making excuses for booring behavior.

[HuckleB]

37. Yes, it's good to generalize from a rowdy few.

That always leads to an accurate assessment.

:sarcasm:

[DaveinMD]

38. keeps happening in Boston

it doesn't happen in other cities. I've seen this firsthand. Boston should have visible security every time they play the Yanks to prevent this crap.

[HuckleB]

41. Oh, please.

You oughta be much more worried about the Yanks on Chicago's southside than you should be in Boston.

Your sweeping accusations don't help the reputation of Yankee fans, by the way.

[DaveinMD]

43. second time in two years

that Yankee players were attacked in Boston. I've been attacked walking on the streets in Boston with my wife for wearing a sweatshirt. This keeps happening there. That is a fact.

[HuckleB]

46. You are still generalizing to everyone from a few.

And that is ridiculous. End of story.

And I believe there remains a great deal of controversy around the other incident.

[DaveinMD]

48. yes there is controversy

Nelson and Garcia were wrong for what they did, but were clearly provoked. REal security would prevent that.

[HuckleB]

50. Provoked?

Please. They are adults. And you can't have a body guard for every player in the park. Or in that case, for every loudmouth employee.

And all of that still has nothing to do with unwarranted generalizations being made here.

[DaveinMD]

53. they were attacked

the teams set the tone. IN NY, fans are arrested for touching a ball in play. Here a guy hits a player and isn't arrested. It is clearly preventable, but they choose not to prevent it.

[HuckleB]

55. Were you an eye witness to this attack?

I didn't think so.

Again, thanks for the distractions, which have nothing to do with your continuous and unwarranted generalizations about Red Sox fans.

P.S. -- How much did you drink tonight?

Bye, bye!

[DaveinMD]

66. I don't drink

thank you very much.

He hit Sheffield in the head. I certainly saw that.

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[DaveinMD]

70. I don't need an excuse

there were people here excusing the behavior of this fan and that really pissed me off. One person said it was okay because they hated the Yankees. Do you see what's wrong with that picture.

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[DaveinMD]

76. Red Sox nation

needs to explain why the police in their city doesn't arrest a guy who assaulted a player on the field. When people in Boston start to behave, I'll change my tune.

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[DaveinMD]

110. they can live wherever they want

you know what I'm saying. There are people on this thread who defended the actions of that fan. Another person blamed Sheffield for the incident. That's just not right.

[HuckleB]

126. You are changing your tune.

You have gone from painting a vile picture of all Red Sox fans to pointing out a few who see things differently than you. So will you apologize for your sweeping accusation already?

[MADem]

90. Maybe you insulted them, you're certainly doing a good job of it here!

You are generalizing, tarring everyone who supports the Sox with a broad brush, and being all-round abrasive. You walk around any town with the opposing team's colors on, and behaving in the fashion that you are displaying on this thread, and someone is gonna check your behavior.

[DaveinMD]

91. walking around the old north end

talking to my wife. Minding our own business. Yeah, we must have been so abrasive at that time.

Sorry I get so upset about seeing one of my players attacked.

[MADem]

96. Attacked ... in the North End???

That's the safest neighborhood in the city. You had to have provoked it. They do a very fine job of policing their own in that little hood, and they don't especially like altercations, either.

[DaveinMD]

98. like I said

just walking with my wife. I guess we provoked it by the clothes we wore. But I guess you condone that type of behavior. I must have had it coming for wearing my sweatshirt.

[MADem]

100. Sorry, you are coming across as an abrasive individual

...and a whiner.

Let me put it this way. I love the Sox, my happiest memories involve Fenway Park, the old man, my siblings, the crack of the bat, back in the days when attendance at a game was an affordable pasttime.

And I love visiting New York, too. But when I go to New York, I leave the Red Sox hat, the tee shirt, the jersey, and all of my sports accoutrements AT FUCKING HOME. It's, ya know, the MATURE thing to do. It's called NOT ASKING--no, BEGGING--FOR TROUBLE.

Now, you are having a major hissyfit about this Sheffield incident. Tons of dudgeon and high-horsing. Over the top, in my opinion. And you don't want to acknowledge that a couple of uniformed Yankee goons stomped the crap out of a special ed teacher from NH, went to court, got probation, and paid the guy off, all to avoid jail time. But hey, whatever.

So forgive me if I don't believe that you were just cruising along minding your own beeswax and some hot head--in the NORTH END, of all places--attacked you without any provocation on your part.

Sorry, just can't buy it.

[DaveinMD]

101. I have a rich posting history here

I am not a hot head. I am very upset about what happened tonight and that is showing. I am very emotional about this. That is true.

But I am not someone who picks fights and talks crap. Believe what you will.

Listen, I actually love the city of Boston. I've had some great times there. But this entire incident is sickening to me. And as I said, I don't like how some people are making it out to be nothing.

[MADem]

104. Next time you visit, you may want to leave your garb at home

You'll probably have a better time.

[DaveinMD]

105. I've gone back since

a few times and have left it at home. The incident didn't sour us. We love that pastry shop. I think its called Mike's. I absolutely love the entire New England area. I would never think of accosting someone because of what they wear. I don't think people should act that way.

[HuckleB]

106. Indeed.

LOL!

:)

[DaveinMD]

107. whatever dude

people defend a guy attacking a player and I'm the bad guy.

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111. this isn't about me

its about people defending a fan who attacked a player.

[HuckleB]

125. No, it's about you and the constant spin you offer.

You attacked every fan of a team without justification, and you went on and on and on. Further, your description of the "attack" is pure fiction, which makes your attack upon Sox fans even more ridiculous. You owe them an apology, pure and simple.

I'm sure this post will be deleted, as it is apparently against the rules to point out that you have attacked others and owe them an apology, but I am going to point it out anyway.

[DaveinMD]

128. my description

was 100 percent accurate. Even Red Sox players have agreed with the description. As did a witness.

From today's Boston Herald:

According to fan Chris Lyons, 19, of Milton (Mass.), who was sitting nearby, ``(House) definitely tried to hit him. You could tell. And right away, Gary looked up and went nuts."

Have a good day.

[HuckleB]

129. I wonder if Chris has seen the video.

Sorry, but your description was wrong. And your need to continue to push this wrong description is despicable.

You owe an apology.

That's the last time I'll waste my time with the likes of you.

[DaveinMD]

131. he wasn't even looking at the ball

but you are more interested in charactor assassination anyhow. I don't care what you think of me. He meant to hit Sheffield. Its obvious.

[HuckleB]

134. Aww.

Martyrdom. I guess that's the goal, eh?

He was looking at the base runners, not at Sheffield. But somehow you missed that part of the story. Hmmmm. I wonder why.

You've been making a vast character assassination against Red Sox fans the entire time, so how about apologizing instead of begging for a pity party.

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[HuckleB]

138. My posts were deleted because I addressed you.

And your unbecoming behavior. And DU doesn't like that. We're not supposed to call out posters who make uncalled for sweeping accusations. There was nothing negative or ugly in the posts. Further, some parts of the posts were no different than other "giving ya crap" posts that sit on the sports threads forever. So don't pretend otherwise now. Although, I suspect that it's thin skin that led to the deletions in the first place.

Now you are truly pushing the envelope. I am not a Red Sox fan, and I didn't expect an apology. I do now.

I have given my explanation of what I saw (via repeated viewings of the incident) on these boards, and I did not defend the fan, yet you choose to pretend otherwise. Further, you choose to argue against a black and white poster who doesn't even exist. Why? Can't you actually deal with the actual situation?

That is pitiful.

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[sniffa]

130. from a more reputabLe paper

Helen Lambropoulos of Haverhill, who was sitting in the front row next to the ejected spectator, said it did not appear to her that the spectator had tried to hit Sheffield. "He was reaching for the ball."

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/04/15/sheffield_says_he_got_hit_in_face?pg=2

[DaveinMD]

132. the quote is the quote

regardless of the paper. The photo shows he wasn't reaching for the ball. He was never even looking at the ball. Its crystal clear on the video.

[sniffa]

133. it's crystaL cLear

that shef has issues, and that you're having troubLe getting around that. but that's ok, we aLL have our shortcomings. :cry:

[DaveinMD]

135. Sheff

is the one who was attacked. Just ask Damon, who said on NESN that Sheff showed amazing restraint. The fan hit Sheffield. This had nothing to do with Sheff's past. Its all about this fan committing an illegal act.

[MADem]

44. Yeah, SECURITY to protect the towel boys from the Yankee players

See post 21.

[DaveinMD]

47. a fan attacks a player

and you come back with this. That's the lack of class I'm talking about.

[MADem]

56. You seeem a little "too" invested

Perhaps you should root for the Orioles, if you are in MD.

I think your anger and dare I say petulance has more to do with the fact that your team isn't doing too well this year. There are too many "stars" on that team, who get paid a boatload, and they aren't performing up to their salary levels. And I get the sense that they don't especially like each other. They lack a certain esprit de corps, IMHO.

See, Red Sox fans don't get upset to the point of apoplexy at losses, even when they are perceived to be unfair, because we've been inured. Even when the Sox do have a good season, they always go into a slump at some point, and then we have a bit of despair, and pick ourselves up and continue to cheer for them. Cubs fans understand the drill.

There's a maturity that comes with waiting.

[DaveinMD]

60. my team will do fine

I'm tired of Boston fans acting like asses and guy wasn't even arrested. He attacked a player on the field and he wasn't even arrested. Think about that.

Sox fans are a violent bunch. Jim Caple went to Yankee Stadium dressed in a Sox jersey and to fenway in a Yankee jersey. He was treated much worse in Fenway. He did this in 93. I was virtually assaulted in Boston for the crime of wearing a Yankees jersey. Fans need to act better. I wouldn't call Boston fans mature by any stretch of imagination. Unless, attacking players is mature.

[MADem]

83. Yeah, so long as the Yankee players stop beating up on towel boys!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1909571
Nelson, Garcia agree to probation, serviceAssociated Press

BOSTON -- Two former New York Yankees players who allegedly assaulted a Fenway Park groundskeeper during the 2003 American League Championship series agreed Tuesday to a deal that calls for the charges against them to be dropped in six months.

Pitcher Jeff Nelson and outfielder Karim Garcia agreed to pretrial probation at a hearing in Roxbury District Court. The players will perform 50 hours of community service and be evaluated to determine whether they need to attend an anger management program.

Did you ever stop to think that he wasn't arrested because his actions weren't deliberate? Again, you seem a bit too invested. Hope you didn't have the mortgage payment riding on the game!
:cry:

[DaveinMD]

85. All I know

is that even if his actions weren't intentional, he was still tresspassing by being in the way of action on the field. At the least, he should be arrested for that as they do in NY. I don't gamble thank you.

[DaveinMD]

86. not even looking at the ball

[KitchenWitch]

112. Happens in other cities too

I remember a few years ago being at a Twins Yankees game at the HumpyDome for Knoblauch's first game in Minnesota after being switched to the outfield. There were probably 50-60 people ejected for throwing stuff out on the field AT Knoblauch. Bob Casey came over the PA system warning everyone that the game would be forfeited (the Twins were ahead) at that point and the Yankees would get the win if the hooliganism did not stop.

I was never so disappointed to be a Twins fan as I was during that series.

[WilliamPitt]

49. Hee hee hee hee...that's rich

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[DaveinMD]

74. Sheff

pushed the guy away. He did not punch the women who's husband threw beer on him.

[Yavin4]

69. I Was At Game 7 In Yankees Stadium Last Year

Yankees fans let Red Sox fans dance and celebrate at Yankees stadium, and there were NO incidents like this. Yankees fans have nothing but show tons of class and respect to the Red Sox, but these Red Sox fans are nothing more than people perpetually stuck in adolescence. "Yankees are evil", jumping on A-Rod, and now physically attacking Sheffield.

For crying out loud, grow up and show some class and maturity.

[MaineDem]

73. Boston fans gave Rivera a very nice hand on Monday

A standing O when he was introduced. He laughed.

:)

[DaveinMD]

75. they were mocking him

and that's fine. That's what fans do. But to attack a player on the field is beyond the pale.

[WilliamPitt]

79. "physically attacking"

I assume, Yavin, that you haven't seen the tape.

Yeesh.

[DaveinMD]

80. he hit him in the head

and it was clearly intentional. He didn't reach down far enough to go for the ball. The fact you defend this clown speaks volumes.

[MADem]

92. Wow, I have to laugh

Yankee fans can't stand it when they don't get it all, can they? That's what happens when things come too easy. But now that the chimp's team on the Hill took steroids out of the equation, those party-hearty Yankee chumps are going to have to spend a little more time in the gym, and less time at the clubs. Apparently, they haven't sorted that bit out yet!

If they don't get back in the game, the fans will eventually turn on them....after a while, beating up on the opposition gets old!

[DaveinMD]

93. this post makes no sense at all

the player is the one who was attacked while trying to make a play on the ball. But that's okay I guess, because you don't like the Yankees.

[MADem]

94. Well, pal, I was responding to a fellow Bay Stater, not you

Maybe that's why you didn't "get" it.

[DaveinMD]

95. okay dude

still doesn't make sense, but I'll let you have your fun.

[WindRavenX]

84. The fan wasn't even arrested

Come on. Security is a JOKE in Fenway.

[OneBlueSky]

113. as a Yankee fan who watched the game on YES . . .

it seems to me that the swipe at Sheffield was inadvertent, but in the heat of the game he thought otherwise . . . the fan made a mistake, and Sheffield overreacted . . . they should apologize to each other and let it go . . .

[KitchenWitch]

114. That is the way it looked to me too

After seeing it ad nauseum on Sports Center.

I really wanted to see more on the home debut of the Nationals. :(

[inthebrain]

115. I've been to Shea, Yankee Stadium and Fenway.

I have to say that I've never seen a more disgusting group of people than Red Sox fans as of late. I was sitting in that section on Wendsday night.

Sox fans have become everything they accuse Mets and Yankees fans of and then some. I've been to my share of rivalry games in NY and Boston but nothing compares to the lowlifes that I see in Fenway. When fans tolerate the selling of T Shirts that display "Gay Rod" and "Jeter Swallows" something is extremely amiss. Its Becoming on the level of KKK hate speach in that ballpark.

I really feel bad for parents that bring their kids in there. Not to mention just the baseball fan that wants to enjoy that game on the feild w/o the barrage of hate speech from the stands.

Ive never seen anything like it any sporting event Ive been to. Bruins fans are definitly a level above the Red Sox fan and that is saying a lot. I've seen better fans at Islanders/Rangers games.

The fact that a fan took a whack at Sheffeild tonight doesnt surpirise me. What sickens me even more is all the dickheads that stood up and cheered the incident.

[KitchenWitch]

116. We have the same thing here with the Vikings and the Packers

You would not believe what kind of slurs are on T-shirts about Brett Favre etc. I am a Viking fan (obviously) and you could not pay me enough money to go to the annual Vikes - Pack game at the HumpyDome. Not enough money in the world to put up with that nonsense.

It truly does happen in other cities, maybe not necessarily in baseball but it happens.

[sniffa]

118. i can't beLieve what a bunch of babies

some yankee fans are? i suppose it's understandabLe, having not won a worLd series since 2000. it's gotta be frustrating.

[jus_the_facts]

119. Yeah they defended Peedro when he threw Zimmer to the ground too....

....self professed pacifist in every other aspect o'their lives but yet when it comes to their beloved BoSUX...well....hypocrisy knows NO bounds it seems...another year another FIGHT! :eyes: :nopity:

[sniffa]

121. zimmer had it coming

he's Lucky he wasn't in the buLLpen or garcia and neLson wouLd have kiLLed him.

[jus_the_facts]

122. yeah suuuure....the fat ol' bastard *deserved* it.....sigh.....

:eyes:

[sniffa]

123. pLease don't be so hard on yourseLf

[jus_the_facts]

124. WTFUCK is that supposed to mean?

:grr:

[jus_the_facts]

120. ...and is it any wonder why a 13yr.old boy beat another to death yest...

....after bein' taunted he beat the others brains out with a baseball bat....hmmmmm. :puke:

[Yavin4]

127. For The Last Time, That Idiot Fan Was Sitting In Fair Territory

Not foul territory. So, when he leans over to pick up a ball, he's interferring with the play. He leaned over and hit Gary Sheffield in the face. How was Sheff supposed to know that the fan was just going for the ball?

[Emboldened Chimp]

137. Sheffield acted like anyone else in his situation would have

A heated rivalry, past violence from both sides, fans in other leagues throwing down with players, a violent world in general. Sheffield feels what he thinks is a punch, he reacts with a defensive swipe, continues the play and, once realizing what happened--and what could happen--appropriately restrains himself, as did the fan. Fan gets kicked out--as he should for interference--and the game continues. End of story.

[mvd]

142. Locking

This thread has become full of generalizations about fans and continues to produce personal attacks.

mvd
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