Guardian's Steve Bell cartoon on the Pope's anti-LGBT forest speech

[IndianaGreen]

Pope angers campaigners with speech seen as attack on homosexuality



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/cartoon/2008/dec/24/pope-benedict-gay-rights

[Idealism]

1. Good god, I can hear the fundie backlash coming now

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. He is a catholic, most fundies will not even know who the Pope is

those of us OUTSIDE of Christianity have a problem getting this, but for the fundies he's not a real christian anyhow

I guess not even a real man... but boy I'm stepping on it, but not as much as he did

[Idealism]

3. Perhaps the word I was looking for was orthodox?

Fundie to me doesn't necessarily mean fundamentalist, just anyone who thinks of themselves as ultra-pious and is ultimately unreasonable

[bluedawg12]

4. but...he's defending heterosexuality

or jealous that Warren is getting all of the attention!

http://www.religiondispatches.org/images/managed/Blog+Image_warrenlovesus_193.jpg

[IndianaGreen]

5. The head of a celibate priesthood that probably thinks of women as mere fish

The Pope's view on family is not the only point of view:

Family and marriage are historical categories. phenomena which develop in accordance with the economic relations that exist at the given level of production. The form of marriage and of the family is thus determined by the economic system of the given epoch, and it changes as the economic base of society changes. The family. in the same way. as government, religion. science, morals. law and customs, is part of the. superstructure which derives from the economic system of society.

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The fact that with the consolidation of the capitalist system of production, the marital/family union develops from a production unit into a legal arrangement concerned only with consumption, leads inevitably to the weakening of marital/family ties. In the era of private property and the bourgeois-capitalist economic system, marriage and the family are grounded in (a) material and financial considerations, (b) economic dependence of the female sex on the family breadwinner – the husband – rather than the social collective, and (c) the need to care for the rising generation. Capitalism maintains a system of individual economies: the family has a role to play in performing economic tasks and functions within the national capitalist economy. Thus under capitalism the family does not merge with or dissolve into the national economy but continues to exist as an independent economic unit, concerned with production in the case of the peasant family and consumption in the case of the urban family. The individual economy which springs from private property is the basis of the bourgeois family.

Alexandra Kollontai
Theses on Communist Morality in the Sphere of Marital Relations

http://www.marxists.org/archive/kollonta/1921/theses-morality.htm

[bluedawg12]

7. Or as "chalice" for reproduction.

It is perhaps too much to expect a church obsessed with sex to place the threat to human survival with the waste and depletion of the earth, living as though there were no tomorrow (either terrestrial or celestial), but to seek to equate environmental degradation with the spoiling of the formulaic "lifetime bond between a man and a woman, as a sacrament of creation which the Creator instituted and Christ then welcomed into the story of his covenant with humanity". It is also unlikely that a religion that gave human beings dominion over nature, the conquest of which has been one of its proudest achievements, is going to contribute anything very helpful to the discussion of the relationship either between humanity and the earth, or the social and economic (as opposed to sexual) relationships between people on it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/dec/24/pope-speech-gender-gay

[Nostradammit]

6. I never realized that Jesus was so hung!

Christ Almighty, I love that man's cartoons.

[ZombieHorde]

8. Bwahahahaha!