Moderator, I had e mailed Skinner a copy-appreciate your unlocking thread.

[Pallas180]

And I'm awaiting his answer.

Meanwhile:

"I love astrology.... but" Posted by PinkTiger
I wouldn't NOT go on an interview just because mercury is retrograde. There are so many factors here in addition to the retrograde planet. Go on the interview, do your best, and make the decision you feel necessary to make based on what your gut tells you.
And I think that asking for money on this board, even for our favorite charity, is an insult. Pallas -- if you resent answering the questions, don't answer them. Period.

Pink Tiger, You say you love astrology but you don't say if you are a professional practicing astrologer, or what qualifications you have to answer an astrological question. Actually I've never seen your name here before.

This forum which we astrologers fought for, for a long long time has always been about political astrology, mundane astrology etc etc.

We NEVER did personal charts and questions here....

Since the influx of new people such as yourself, many personal questions have been asked, which astrologers normally would be contacted for in their business practices. The more we have answered, the more personal questions astrologically are asked.

No one "resents" - your word - teaching on this forum or when we see someone in very dire straits and badly needing help, answering and doing what we can to help.

But that is not what is devolving now. Sometimes advantage is taken, because generally people don't understand just how much work and how many hours go into doing astrological work.

If you are an astrologer yourself, I'm sure you understand that, although I've never seen your name before or your answering any astrological question on this forum in all the years I've been here.

You're right. We could just ignore and not answer. Your solution.

I don't think most of us want to do that.

But aside from all of that, it's not good Karma to give astrological advice/readings for free....it is said one karmically indebts all who receive if no value is exchanged. Then you meet them all again in future lives for them to pay up the debt. :)

[Desertrose]

1. FWIW...my 2 cents

I've noticed a lot of folks asking more individual questions, too...my sense is that if anyone chooses to answer these they are welcome. There should certainly be no pressure to either recieve a reply or post a reply. If they feel it does not keep things balanced monetarily/energetically to reply without compensation, then simply don't respond.

I see this as our own little chat room and I think we should all feel free to post what we want ( within DU rules of course)...whether it be a question or a comment. I don't think anyone should feel the need to pay for the advice here. I really doubt anyone is going to write an entire consultation in these darn little reply boxes anyway.

If things get to that point then there are always PMs to set up something more suitable.

I strongly disagree with your statement that to give readings for free incurs karmic debt- again, that is up to the individual to decide. I don't buy into the karmic indebtedness and really do not want anyone to project that onto me, thank you very much. A thing is either valued or it is not and we can't determine that for anyone else, only for ourselves. Who is to say how it will play out or affect someone's future.

You can only speak for yourself here...I don't think you speak for every one...but insisting folks pay for advice here just doesn't feel right to me.

There is also something to be said for sharing information, teaching and helping others....I think its cool that folks are interested in astrology.

BTW- there were never rules for NOT doing personal charts here...just most of the astrologers were either too busy or chose not to for their own reasons, or were simply tired of the harrasment we were getting in our "previous" home.

As always, if something doesn't "feel" right, then just don't engage in it.

like I said...my 2 cents
DR

[Dover]

9. Re: the increasing questions

I was thinking about this one day a few weeks ago when it seemed that everyone starting a thread had some burning personal question or problem that urgently needed addressing.

We could probably come up with some Astrological explanations for this, but it occurred to me that one of the reasons perhaps is that since the devastating election people have responded by taking more direct control over the course of their lives and futures rather than hanging their hopes on one person. We've all, in a sense, been thrown back on ourselves and our own resources. In the process of getting re-aligned with ourselves, re-empowered and re-conditioning our own spiritual/emotional/intellectual and intuitive muscles for this journey, inevitably a lot of growth and questioning about one's own (rather than a candidate's)potentials are being explored.

If this theory holds any truth then I think it's a good sign, so long as personal discovery/empowerment and positive change are the motivation rather than slipping back into looking to outer events and leaders (or astrologers!) exclusively to instill our sense of hope and well being.

[Mandate My Ass]

2. In my own defense

Pallas, I appreciate your position and the position of all the astrologers here. I have great respect for what you do and I have no problem paying for astrological advice. As a matter of fact I consulted an astrologer to do my chart but that won't take place until after the job interview and getting out of my present job is somewhat dire for me although I didn't say that initially. My boss is an arrogant sexist pig who hates me and makes my life miserable no matter how well I do my work, which is very depressing.

It was never my intention to take advantage of anyone. However, when I see threads like these

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x4699

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x4253

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x3808

it appears as though my question was within the bounds of what has in the past been considered acceptable here. I now understand where you are coming from and what asking an astrological question entails. I hope this clears things up.

[Me.]

3. Sometimes, When Things Get Desperate

You just need to ask the question. If someone is kind enough to answer I'm sure you'll pay it forward. With time seeming to be speeding up situations can take on an intensity that makes them hard to bear. The art of prosperity thread is helpful for relieving such tensions because it is about prosperity in every area of your life, and talks a great deal about changing your focus. I wish you light and relief with your situation.

[Pallas180]

16. Mandate, no problem. You weren't out of line - I just got what I thought

was a wonderful idea but apparently I'm the only one who thinks donating/fundraising for Tsunami or DU through what I do is a great idea.

I enjoy teaching and helping out when, as Dover says, "its sincere"


Good luck on the interview. But don't start the job til after April 12 :)

[Name removed]

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[Pathwalker]

5. I had never heard that it was bad Karma to

give Astrological advice for free, or that it indebted ANYONE. I thought helping others created GOOD Karma. All I ever asked was that someone do something kind to someone else who came their way and asked for their help.
If one were to take this to helping someone who, say were stranded in a car and needed help, you'd have to ask them to pay for their help. But, I also understand that the professional Astrologers would expect to get paid for a reading, but to simply ask a question?
This matters to me because I have just found out that I am facing at least two major surgeries and I'm not at all thrilled with what I am seeing in the transits and my chart. But, I think I'll just go elsewhere for the help, since asking personal questions is now an issue here.
I hope this all gets resolved soon - GOOD LUCK!

[Desertrose]

10. Anj, I hope you change your mind...

about asking questions here....I really don't feel its is an issue - it doesn't seem to be for most of us really. You are a friend...one of us....a sister...I hope you you will feel comfortable about asking for help or at least sharing with us whats going on with you. (Two major surgeries?? yikes! Feel free to PM me anytime :hug: )


I think I know where Pallas is coming from - looking out for those who have spent so much time & energy gaining the knowledge that many are seeking....but what good is that knowledge if it cannot be shared & used.....
I agree ...we are all friends here and it is nice to share and trade what we have to share back & forth...things always balance out and I am not concerned about the money end...it just gets paid forward like Me said.

I am not about to let one thread/post/idea change this place for me...am hoping maybe others feel the same:)
:hug: and :grouphug:
DR

[Pathwalker]

11. Ah, Desertrose, thank you so much!

I love this place, it's like a safe haven from the madness of king Georgie. I have learned so much here, not just about Astrology, but the spiritual stuff as well. I also understand where Pallas is coming from; for many here it is their profession, so we should respect that, too. I don't ask my doctor to treat me for free, and in all honesty, for something like what I need to ask - I'd rather do it privately anyway, and am quite willing to pay for that service. I was just worried that I'd made some mistake by giving a few friends Astrological advice without expecting payment - I have NEVER heard that rule before.

Thank you so much, Desertrose, for you sweet kindness. You truly are a soul sister to me - thanks. As for the surgeries, I'll PM you.

But, while we're on the subject of threads for this forum...how about a thread about..."threads we'd like to see?" Maybe we could find out what everyone would like to see MORE of. Just a thought.
I wonder if anyone would be interested in a Gardening with Astrology thread?

Thanks, again. I hope you're staying warm and dry, and you don't need an ark.

:loveya:

[loudsue]

13. Anj...You changed your name!!! I didn't know that was you?!!

Just FYI...You're more "famous" than "notorious"! No wonder you're going incognito! B-)

I'm glad you mentioned your surgery...how else would we know you might need a group hug?
:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

O8) I'm sending many prayers for a quick healing for you, and for a much easier time of it all, than you anticipated! O8)

In your post, you said:

"I also understand where Pallas is coming from; for many here it is their profession, so we should respect that, too. I don't ask my doctor to treat me for free, and in all honesty, for something like what I need to ask - I'd rather do it privately anyway, and am quite willing to pay for that service."

I feel the same way you do about being willing to pay for professional advice. However, the professional astrologers (or doctors, or lawyers, or statisticians, or researchers, or financial advisors) I've encountered here at DU don't have their "office hours" here at DU. This is a community, not an office.

If I really want, or need, the services of a professional, I go to them, personally, with the full expectation that I will be paying for those services! If they are too tired from a day's work at their profession, they likely won't bother to respond to my requests for help. But it's a free forum, and I have every right to ASK until the cows come home! There's nothing that compels them to answer.

BTW, Gardening with Astrology is how the ancients formerly did it! I don't know a damn thing about it....but it sounds like an interesting topic! With the way things are going in this country, it may be something we'll all eventually benefit from! Recently someone started a "canning" thread, and I was fascinated, since I had recently gotten a canner, and wanted to find some good books to help me out. Sure 'nuff, there were lots of good suggestions on that thread, from people with a lot of experience!

:kick::kick::kick:

[Desertrose]

14. Hey, thats a great idea!

I was also thinking we could a "coffee talk" thread where we can just talk about the things we'd talk about over coffee at the kitchen table....but maybe thats what this forum is ...our kitchen table :)

"Threads we'd like to see"...cool:thumbsup:

My feeling is we are like family here and I would never ask a sister to pay me for advice or for just sharing......if one doesn't feel it would be balanced or fair to give advice or share, then it is always that person's choice. No one is making any demands here that I've seen and I think reaching out to each other in these wacky times is sort of natural and comforting to know we are a global family and are here for each other.....

Staying very warm & dry (at least this week) ....trees in full bloom, things are getting very green, birds are singing thier spring songs and driving my indoor kitty crazy...poor baby, the lizards will soon be taunting him too...

take good care of yourself!!!! :hug::loveya:
DR

[Dover]

6. Give and Take

I feel pretty strongly that this forum needs to be a place where DUers can take some refuge and seek advice of a personal nature.
Though many of the threads are related to our mutual interests surrounding political events, it is my experience that another important function of this forum has been in providing DUers with a soft place to fall, a healing environment and a place to learn and grow...mind, body and spirit. I've been a teacher and a student and understand that this relationship is mutually beneficial providing that the right balance is struck between giving and recieving and that both take responsibility in their respective roles. This is summed up nicely in Hexagram 4 of the I-Ching (Inexperience) and Hexagram 27 (Nourishing).
The proper balance of give and take is a reflection of spiritual health. And as in the Tarot and I-Ching, formulating the question is as important as the answer.

I'm happy to help with something if I have the time, the inclination and feel that I might be able to offer another perspective or something helpful. And I find most people are respectful and understand that when their question doesn't get answered is not meant as a personal rejection or an indication that no one cares.
I've mentioned before in the forum that there are natural
limits to what can realistically be offered in the way of services by the relatively small group of more experienced intuitives in this forum to all those who would like that kind of help. And I don't think monetary compensation addresses or solves that problem.

Occassionally I feel that my offering assistance to someone is actually counterproductive for them if I sense an inbalance and unhealthy reliance/dependency. Then, it seems, help/advice is feeding their dependency and is not helpful.
In fact it contributes to their sense of not being in control of their lives, feelings of vulnerability, fear and living reactively to outer events rather than being in their own flow as a co-creator of their life.
Regardless the question, the ultimate goal, imo...is to nurture
goal of those who teach or offer advice is to create a safe environment for the development of interdependence, personal strength and esteem.....empowerment spiritually, mentally and emotionally to be our authentic selves...is it not?
I can also occassionally sense laziness on the part of the person asking a question, and if I feel that they have brought nothing of their own efforts to the table then I'll either say so or won't answer.

But these situations are rare in my experience.

____


Pallas, I've enjoyed and respect your insights and your willingness to cut to the quick. You've often gone boldly where others fear to tread.
But I know from my own learning process here and in my noncyber life
that our strengths can also be our poison if we don't find the proper balance or means of 'delivery' as you say.
We are all working on ourselves and evolving together so that we can be more effective in our lives and the world, more compassionate and truer to ourselves. In the end that is all we really have control over.
I know you will accept this feedback in the light and love in which it is meant. I sensed, the other day when you mentioned you were feeling a bit like a 'curmudgeon" that you understood at some level that you were getting in the way of your own true intentions. Sometimes we hit walls of frustration and resistance in order to force us to learn how to re-balance and redirect our energy.

((hugs))

[stellanoir]

7. beautifully put Dover

Thanks. I was writing a post but your's was far more eloquent and balanced.

Best

[PinkTiger]

8. Thanks.

While I don't often need protection from bullies, I appreciate the nice things said by everyone here in my behalf.
As an Alpha female myself, I also understand where Pallas is coming from -- but I do think we need to keep this forum open to all.

As I said in reponse on another thread, I'm not an astrologer. Nor do I play on on TV (ha), but I am trained in it and I do my own charts. I also know that a person has to be careful to apply "one-size-fits all" attitudes regarding Mercury retrograde,etc.

Mercury retrograde happens a lot. We can't live our lives paralyzed by it. My mother, the alpha female in my life who taught me astrology, told me a long time ago that we can use it as one barometer of what is happening, but not the whole story.

"There's a lot more here than just that," my mother would say. "The planets and the aspects, and your birth chart, and the charts of all the people involved."

So I think we should take astrology as a guide, not as a how-to book.

[LWolf]

17. Thank you.

That was eloquent.

Interestingly, I, too, have been a bit of a "curmudgeon" lately. Not about anything going on here. Just this week, I've had to take a step back, take a deep breath, and examine what issues were underlying the frustration. In just acknowledging them, before they've been addressed, I already feel better.

I'll come back and reread your words here over the next few weeks while I'm clearing away obstacles.

:hug:

[Pallas180]

12. This person PM'd and prefers not to be named:

Pallas, I agree with you.
From:
Date: Mar 09th 2005

I posted _____ on here because you are my friends. I did not ask for a free reading...I just needed some comfort.

When I noticed people coming on here asking readings on boyfriends and ___________, I dreaded what our forum was turning into.

The last thing I wish this forum to become is advice to the lovelorn.

To be quite truthful, I resented it as well. I was not asking for free readings, so why should they come in here and get it.

It was setting a dangerous precedent as well.

-snip-

I am not posting this to the forum as I don't want to cause flame wars. If you wish to forward this on to Skinner in your defense, you have my permission.

Maybe a disclaimer is necessary saying for pvt readings, contact by private email.

I wish you all the best Pallas! Don't go away!

[Pallas180]

15. Despite what has erroneously been posted here, in the past when

individuals asked for readings, it has always been suggested that they go to their local astrological bookstore and find a recommended astrologer there.

It has only been recently,in this new forum, that astrology answers in depth for individual personal questions have taken place, GRATIS and in the spirit of helping.

Mostly in the Meeting Room it was always political/mundane astrology and not personal questions.

Since the flood of personal questions, I thought, apparently wrongly, that people would be happy to DONATE $1 or $2 to Tsunami
Relief or DU for the astrological guidance. No payment was ever requested for the astrologer or astrology answer.

Coming from training in the Spiriutalist Church, yes I was taught that there should be an exchange, even a penny, something, - to avoid a karmic indebtedness.... like the Chinese "if you save someone's life you are responsible for it"


Of course I gauge others by myself, as we all do, and thought it would be thought of as a generous gesture. I had no idea that some here were so f'ing cheap. :)

No donation was asked or mentioned in any manner in exchange for support or warmth or commiseration or chatting.

More than a bit of license has been taken here by a few filled with vitriol.

No one, including me especially, has asked anyone to pay for an astrological answer but only if they would be willing to make a donation to one of those two orgs.

Alpha Female? go ---- yourself sweety.

"I'm not a professional astrologer but there are no rules on DU which
say you have to be to give astrological advice".

That's how astrologers and psychics got a reputation for quackery and phoniness.

A dangerous precedent is right. Whether people do or say they don't believe in astrology, they hang on every word.

That's great.

"I'm not a doctor or a surgeon but I feel qualified to operate on your tumor anyway."

Now THAT is Karma.

I asked for what the thoughts on the matter of donating $2 were - and I certainly found out more than I ever wanted to know.

Thanks for sharing.

[Eloriel]

18. No, Pallas, your memory is not serving you well on this issue

MANY, many personal questions have been answered in this forum, and in the previous Meeting Room forum.

To be sure, they haven't been in-depth readings, tho some discussions have been meatier than others. Some (a few? many?) basically sank without much or any response. But personal questions have been entertained from just about the get-go. More lately? Possibly. I personally think it's not a good thing for us to be answering a lot of them, but I am also not entirely comfortable with a strict refusal to respond.

It has only been recently,in this new forum, that astrology answers in depth for individual personal questions have taken place, GRATIS and in the spirit of helping.

And, quite frankly, IF that is occurring as you characterize it, if others want to participate in that way you don't have a lot of control over them. You might as well resign yourself to that fact.

Coming from training in the Spiriutalist Church, yes I was taught that there should be an exchange, even a penny, something, - to avoid a karmic indebtedness.... like the Chinese "if you save someone's life you are responsible for it"

When I grew up in and around the Spiritualist Church (which my mother attended and I did too sometimes), that was not a rule.

"I'm not a professional astrologer but there are no rules on DU which say you have to be to give astrological advice".

That's how astrologers and psychics got a reputation for quackery and phoniness.

Oh, please. That's ALSO how astrologers and psychics LEARN their craft and hone their skills. Cut rate or even free readings are nearly essential when one is starting out.

Alpha Female? go ---- yourself sweety.

Oh, nice. I rather thought that was a compliment. Better to be called an alpha female than some of the OTHER things that are often used to describe strong, assertive women. You're a born organizer (and a big part of the problem is that you keep trying to organize people who distinctly do not WANT to be organized.)

Pallas, I didn't see the original thread, so I don't quite understand why there's so much of a brouhaha over a request for DONATIONS, but apparently it triggered a lot of buttons. I have to say, tho, that as a non-professional astrologer, I would NOT be willing to provide any advice as part of even a donation scheme, because I think it's tawdry and demeaning somehow. I also don't intend to work for DU (and I'm SURE DU wouldn't want to sanction astrology by accepting donations raised through it), and I also don't want to work for donations for tsuanami relief. Of course, I too am not a "professional astrologer," so I may not even qualify for your noble ideas for some of us. 'Sokay, I'm sure.

Eloriel
alpha female :evilgrin:

[Dover]

19. Re: Intuitives in training.......

That's ALSO how astrologers and psychics LEARN their craft and hone their skills. Cut rate or even free readings are nearly essential when one is starting out.

Boy that is so true for me. Gotta start somewhere and this is a really good place for folks to practice....whether it be dream interpretation, tarot, astrological predictions or whatever.
Anyone who has taught knows that you learn so much about yourself when in the process of educating others.

[Pallas180]

20. Eloriel, Dover

Eloriel,

you brought a smile to me...yes, born organizer and the truth is imho it was more organized and more astrology in meeting room than it is now in this forum.

Dover, yes, people learning practiced on their relatives and friends BUT, usually they were learning in a classroom of sorts....not on line- where people drop in to this forum - read - don't know that the posters are learning - and may think that the person is already an accomplished astrologer. Relatives and friends usually know the person is learning and practicing on them.

On the other hand a site like Noel Tyl's, Tyl.com is very obviously for people learning, it doesn't have the same quality as DU WHERE IN
THE PAST it was the astrologers posting to one another or answering questions rather than the wannabe's.

And please you two, dont give me that garr-bage that you two aren't accomplished in astrological fields...

I do wonder why they want to re-invent the wheel, though, when there are a thousand sites online that will give the meaning of the signs, planets, and houses - which they could start basing their study on if all of them read the same thing.

I have posted those sites for people in the past, Dover has, and others probably have too. And I might add, in many if not most of the things I've posted I've tried to delineate to teach them, as well as recommending sites.

If they dont get the basics and study, which they haven't up to this point, it ain't gonna go nowhere. They don;'t seem to understand that it takes study. Of course many say they are astrologers through "empath". For sure I know psychics who hold a piece of paper with a chart on it and can "read" it from that....but that ain't astrology...it's psychometry.

And no, I don't remember a constant giving of personal readings on
meeting room - of course I would be absent for long stretches - so maybe I missed it...but my memory, which is never A +, was that there wasn't. So tell me I have a bad memory.

What amazed me the most was the lack of support and attacks from the very people who have been e mailing "loving" notes for helping them...and the bitchiness of the attacks because I had the audacity to ask for links in political threads.

If I had a dollar for every time Eloriel asked me for a link, or where I got something, -drove me crazy with it -boy, I'd have a lot of dollars!

I don't consider Dover Alpha, and maybe Eloriel is a 1/2 -maybe even 3/4 Alpha...magnificent job on the Feng Shui - by the way - but being a teacher and organized in work (not in papers and office - wish you could come feng shui my office )- does not automatically make you an Alpha female. And the two "sweeties" who characterized it certainly didn't mean it as a compliment.

I'm always willing to help people who really need it..but Dover was exactly on point with what was beginning to happen -

Yup - I was taught there should be an exchange,for spiriutal/karmic reasons. You weren't? So call me pisher. And furthermore, you'll be unhappy to know I teach my students that too.

Doing personal readings is different than writing on abstract political-mundane readings....by the way, which I very much miss here. Apparently there's no room or interest in it in this new forum. Astrological are not the threads that carry anymore. Chatty carries. Does Michael Jackson have three testacles or one?

Abrupt and no time for nonsense; that I am.

" fuck'em and the horse they rode in on"



:hi:

[Desertrose]

21. Pallas, you gotta remember we didn't get our seperate forums

when we began this one from the MR...we had hoped to get seperate categories, but Skinner felt that we should "condense" what we wanted into one. We even had our description of "metaphysical" removed when a certain DU contigent threw a hissy fit....

SO ...we are not just the Astrology forum.....and really , aren't we here to chat/learn/share about what people are interested in? Whether we necessarily think its the right direction or not, there you have it. Its the posters here who keep things going or let threads fade.

And please, I do take exception about the "psychometry" readings. I have studied astrology for over 30 years...yet still when I see a chart, I get "hits" on it - thats how I "read" charts. Analyzing the aspects etc etc is simply not the way my brain works...which is exactly why I don't call myself an astrologer. I resent the fact that you seem to feel astrology has to be done your way or the highway. Simply by being an astrologer you should understand that not everyone gets it in the same way or even has that inclination to study...yet they may still have enough of an interest to ask questions in a less formal place like this forum....and by sharing & informing, I imagine there is also some "educating" happening at the same time,too:)

Fact is..some people don't want to take the time or don't have the time to study astrology...sometimes we just want someone to give us an answer or point the direction...to get it the "easy" way. There shouldn't be a judgement about that. Its up to us whether we want to share the knowledge .....one either replies or doesn't. Unless its "leglislated" from on high, we really can't control what folks ask/post here.

This forum is a group on DU...this is NOT A PROFESSIONAL ASTROLOGY SITE. We are mega mega blessed to have all the wonderful astrologers (& professionals) here that we have. (Big thanks guys :loveya: )

Again, JMHO that it's everyone's choice to answer or not answer any and all questions posted here- personal or otherwise.

[loudsue]

22. Thank you for the reminder, Desertrose!

It is sometimes hard to remember WHAT this forum was created for, when we all get caught up in the political madness that has been going on. It wasn't set up as a strictly "political" Astrology forum, but for Astrology, Spirituality and Healing. And, right now, I think this thread could use some "healing".

Pallas, I want you to know that, even though I have felt angry toward you for the way you treated me at times, and the way you have spoken to others on this board at times, that's NOT the whole story. The other part of the story is that I appreciate your input on Astrology, as well as on other topics.

My personal preference is that people could come to this forum as a gentle place to land, when everything else in the world seems too hard; a place to study and learn and share, at whatever level any of us have reached in our journey, without fear of judgment or shame, and without the fear of being humiliated.

I apologize, to everyone here, for MY part in contributing to hard feelings and/or discord. And I hope that we can take with us, from this thread, whatever lessons we each need for our own personal growth, and leave the rest behind us.

If everyone else has gotten what they needed to get off their chest, that they felt needed to be said, I would like to suggest we let this thread sink into oblivion, and that we try to move forward in peace within our community here.

If we're ever going to create a new world where everyone is welcome, I would still choose a world with ALL of the posters on this forum. We're ALL good people here, and we're all still growing.

:loveya: Truce? :loveya:

[Name removed]

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[loudsue]

27. You said: "don't you ever address me again - anywhere."

Pallas, there is an "ignore" function on DU that addresses that problem for you. You are welcome to use it.

[Pallas180]

29. Queen Bee - love ya ?

what crap

[Pallas180]

23. ANJ

"And please, I do take exception about the "psychometry" readings. I have studied astrology for over 30 years...yet still when I see a chart, I get "hits" on it - thats how I "read" charts."

If you're telling me that you "read" charts psychicly, , you're right, It's not astrology.

And Anj, there are those here who have said they "hold" the chart and read it. That is psychometry.

There is no reason to take exception. I didn't make the rules.
You might check out the web sites of American Federation of Astrologers, National Council of Geocosmic Research, or Kepler College.

I too could read charts psychicly, but I don;t. If I'm doing astrology I read charts by the math, by the aspects. If I'm doing psychic readings, straight or with tarot cards, I'm not doing astrology. There is a distinction.

Yes, you're right. The room changed when everything was thrown together.

Nevertheless, in the past, I have been as helpful to people here who expressed an interest in learning astrology and explaining to them as I could be. And I have answered almost all of the personal
astrology questions posed here, which as Dover mentioned, were of a serious nature.

As you say, it has been voluntarily.
And I can choose to continue to do that or not.
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Mandate My Ass
I remember (I think) Pallas posted posted a web site that gave a good basic description of houses, which I read, but retained very little of because I didn't follow up or apply it to anything.
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dist22dem I remember that Was this the site?

http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TOClessons.htm

I have no idea why you want to continue this "discussion". More than enough has been said as far as I'm concerned.

[Pathwalker]

25. Pallas; Desertrose wrote that post. I didn't.

When I do charts, I have always used Astrological information FIRST, but when I get a psychic "hit" on a chart" I always pay attention to it.
To do otherwise, IMO, would be ignoring something important - the spirit of the matter.

[Name removed]

26. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Desertrose]

28. No one ever accused me of being particularly wise...

I'm really sorry you are so upset Pallas...never anyone's intent I'm sure. Certainly not mine.

(By the way, you replied to ME -post #21 was mine ...not ANJ.)

I really hope you can get past whatever the problem is. I'm sorry you're hurting...life is tough for a lot of us these days.

Take care Pallas and don't worry...I do not plan on continuing this "conversation"....I just hope you can feel better. :hug:

Peace
DR

[undergroundrailroad]

30. Locking

You don't start a thread with :

"Moderator, I had e mailed Skinner a copy-appreciate your unlocking thread.

And I'm awaiting his answer.

Meanwhile: "
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That's not an appropriate manner to address the moderators.

Suggestion? Let's all take a deep breath and start a new thread leaving personal attacks out.

Thanks all.

Undergroundrailroad
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