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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 05:38 PM
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Are we at TIME's End?
Edited on Mon Apr-18-05 06:17 PM by Dover
From Eckhart Tolle, author of The Power of Now:

Chapt: A Quantum Leap in the Evolution of Consciousness

The time-bound mode of consciousness is deeply embedded in the human psyche. But what we are doing here is part of a profound transformation that is taking place in the collective consciousness of the planet and beyond: the awakening of consciousness from the dream of matter, form and separation. The ending of time. We are breaking mind patterns that have dominated human life for eons. Mind patterns that have created unimaginable suffering on a vast scale. I am not using the word evil. It is more helpful to call it unconsciousness or insanity.

Question: Is the breaking up of the old mode of consciousness or rather unconsciousness: is it something we have to do or will it happen anyway? I mean, is this change inevitable?

That's a question of perspective. The doing and the happening is in fact a single process; because you are one with the totality of consciousness, you cannot separate the two. But there is no absolute guarantee that humans will make it. The process isn't inevitable or automatic. Your cooperation is an essential part of it. However you look at it, it is a quantum leap in the evolution of consciousness, as well as our only chance of survival as a race.

The Joy of Being

To alert you that you have allowed yourself to be taken over by psychological time, you can use a simple criterion. Ask yourself: Is there joy, ease, and lightness in what I am doing? If there isn't, then time is covering up the present moment, and life is perceived as a burden or struggle.

If there is no joy, ease or lightness in what you are doing, it does not necessarily mean that you need to change WHAT you are doing. It may be sufficient to change HOW. "How" is always more important than "what". See if you can give much more attention to the 'doing' than to the result that you want to achieve through it. Give your fullest attention to whatever the moment presents. This implies that you also completely accept what IS, because you cannot give your full attention to something and at the same time resist it.

As soon as you honor the present moment, all unhappiness and struggle dissolve, and life begins to flow with joy and ease. When you act out of present-moment awareness, whatever you do becomes imbued with a sense of quality, care and love - even the most simple action.

..snip..

Question: In that state of wholeness, would we still be able or willing to pursue goals?

Of course, but you will not have illusory expectations that anything or anybody in the future will save you or make you happy. As far as your life situation is concerned, there may be things to be attained or acquired. That's the world of form, or gain and loss. Yet on a deeper level you are already complete, and when you realize that, there is a playful, joyous energy behind what you do. Being free of psychological time, you no longer pursue your goals with grim determination, driven by fear, anger, discontent, or the need to become someone. Nor will you remain inactive through fear of failure, which to the ego is loss of self. When your deeper sense of self is derived from Being, when you are free of "becoming" as a psychological need, niether your happiness nor your sense of self depends on the outcome, and so there is freedom from fear. You don't seek permanency where it cannot be found: in the world of form, of gain and loss, birth and death. You don't demand that situations, conditions, places or people should make you happy, and suffer when they don't live up to your expectations.

Everything is honored, but nothing matters. Forms are born and die, yet you are aware of the eternal underneath the forms. You know that "nothing real can be threatened".

When this is your state of Being, how can you not succeed? You have succeeded already.

To be free of time is to be free of the psychological need of past for identity and future for your fulfillment.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 06:00 PM
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1. This is timely.........(grin)
Edited on Mon Apr-18-05 06:01 PM by DemExpat
Dover, if there is one thing I have noticed lately - say, in the past year or 6 months - I seem to be losing my history and future. This is very hard to explain...:-)
Memories are still with me, but they seem fairly devoid of meaning and feelings like they used to be. Thoughts of the future are also more abstract than they used to be somehow, and "up in the air"....like whatever happens will be OK.

I also find it harder and harder to commit myself to tasks/relationships/goals that are not "really" what I want to be doing.

The excerpt you noted is very interesting to me in this light.

But no, I don't feel totally in nirvana - just feel like I am definitely middle in a process that is unstoppable and rather effortless from an ego point of view.

DemEx
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 06:07 PM
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2. I've experienced some of that too. Particularly as regards memory.
I often now need quite a bit of prompting to bring memories to the surface. It's just not important to me. Kind of like rummaging through an old junk drawer...lol! I've done that as part of my process in order to get at some things, but really don't identify with any of that junk anymore. This year has been about losing 'weight'...from my body and my life.

Ahhhh....lightness of Being.

It requires lots of practice, being a student of the Now.
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 05:22 AM
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19. That is the truth
DemExpat and Dover...same thing here. Memory feels as if it has been displaced in another dimension. You're right on the feeling of future being more abstract and memories having less substance.

Also feel like I'm in the middle of something and being pushed along.
Many, many coincidences along the way. Keeping track of them and that helps for the universe to create more of them..we will see where it lead
Well see what happens.
E. Tolle is one of the best and looking at the present.

Sorry for the rant on Codex a few months back--DemExpat.
Lofty

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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 11:54 PM
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30. I agree too about the memories....
its like they belong to another person or another life... they just don't pertain to me with the same intensity they once did....

The future...don't even try to "predict" or get a feel for the future anymore..nebulous....

Great thread...how'd I miss it first time??
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 02:15 AM
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31. Here is a good piece from Peter Russell's book "Waking up in Time"
Waking Up in Time Peter Russell


http://www.peterussell.com/index2.html


Overview


The first part of the book, “The Quickening,” sets the scene. It opens with the increasing pace of life we are all experiencing today. I show how this trend is not limited to modern times, but can be traced back through history all the way to the beginning of creation. What we are experiencing today is the culmination of billions of years of ever-accelerating development.

Why does evolution accelerate? The answer lies in the fact that new evolutionary breakthroughs often facilitate future advances. Multicellular organisms, sexual reproduction, the emergence of nervous systems have each done their part to hasten the pace of evolutionary change. Now, with the emergence of human beings, two new features are speeding development yet further. Speech allows us to share our experiences and understandings with each other, giving us the ability to accumulate a collective body of knowledge. While our hands, one the most versatile organs Nature has evolved, have given us the ability to take the clay of Mother Earth and reshape it to our own ends. Combining these two evolutionary breakthroughs has made us the most creative species this planet has ever known. And the more we apply that creativity, the faster things change.

The second part, “The Crisis” focuses on the less welcome consequences of humanity’s rapid development, and the devastation we are bringing to the rest of the planet. How is it, we ask, that a species that is in some ways so intelligent can in other ways be so short-sighted? Where have we gone wrong?

These questions lead on to an exploration of our inner needs and the way our societies have seduced us - in effect hypnotized us - into a set of false assumptions about what it is we really want, and how to go about achieving it. Amplified by the might of our technologies, these errors of thinking are now having global ramifications. We see that the global crisis is, at its root, a crisis of consciousness.

If we are to navigate ourselves safely through this critical moment of history we must make a break with the past, and look at ourselves and our world with fresh eyes. This will entail a fundamental shift in thinking and perception - a shift in consciousness more profound and far-reaching than any in our history. It will mean awakening to the wisdom that lies within us all, of which the great sages have always spoken. This is our next step in evolution, not an outer step, but an inner step.

The third part, “The Awakening” is more spiritual in tone. It asks: How can we wake up? How can we liberate our minds from outdated habits of thinking and make the inner changes that are being demanded of us? The answer involves learning to be more in the present moment, less caught up in our judgments of the past and our attachments to future outcomes. One of the most important areas of practice is our personal relationships. It is here that we frequently meet the various patterns that we need to let go of, and here that we have the most opportunity to learn new ways of thinking and perceiving. As we do, we rediscover the true meaning of love.

The final part, “The Future ,” looks at where we may be headed. It considers some of the many prophecies that seem to foretell these turbulent times. And it looks behind their literal interpretations to deeper meanings, suggesting that they are metaphors for inner transformation and awakening.

Will we wake up in time, and avoid catastrophe? That is still an open question. If we do not, evolution on this planet could be set back to a new Dark Age perhaps; or worse, back to the primeval soup. On the other hand, if we do come to our senses, then it seems very likely that our rate of development - particularly our rate of inner development - will continue to grow faster and faster. What will happen if change is compressed from decades to years to months . . . ? We could be approaching a time of unimaginably rapid personal and social transformation - an evolutionary climax more profound than most of us have ever dared imagine?

Finally we ask whether there could, after all, be a purpose to evolution? Recent work in cosmology suggests the answer may be “Yes.” The Universe seems to be set up so that conscious creatures like us can evolve, capable of knowing Creation in all its dimensions. Could we be on the brink of completing this process of cosmic self-discovery here on planet Earth? The answer to that is up to us.



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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:06 AM
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3. thank you once again, Dover
I've experienced that place ("As soon as you honor the present moment, all unhappiness and struggle dissolve, and life begins to flow with joy and ease. When you act out of present-moment awareness, whatever you do becomes imbued with a sense of quality, care and love - even the most simple action.")

I'm now encouraged to pursue it even more.


Cher
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:45 AM
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4. You're welcome NJCher. Yes, I think when we get these
Edited on Tue Apr-19-05 12:56 AM by Dover
experiential glimpses of what's possible, it's so encouraging. And like any practice, the more we give our attention to it, the better we'll get at it.

I highly recommend the audio recording of Tolle reading The Power of Now aloud. Makes for very contemplative car rides! He also has a new book (and maybe another audio book too) about the process...,more specific instruction of how to go about this practice.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 10:31 AM
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5. thanks for the tip
I'll be checking it out soon :)



Cher

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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 03:42 AM
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10. Also Eckhart Tolle's webpage for those who want to know more
about him, or find a local group.

http://www.eckharttolle.com/mainpage.htm
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 01:53 PM
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6. Eckhart Tolle fan here too.
I can't say I agree with all of his insights, nor that I'd necessarily want to follow his path at this point in my life (there are areas of my past and my identity, even painful areas, that I'm by no means ready to let go of), but he's definitely given me a whole new perspective on things.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 04:44 PM
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7. Really well said.
Everything is honored, but nothing matters. Forms are born and die, yet you are aware of the eternal underneath the forms. You know that "nothing real can be threatened".


I had never heard of Eckhart Tolle before. Thank you for posting this Dover.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 02:02 AM
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8. Or as Brecht said in Baal: "Nothing lasts forever." Excellent post!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 02:33 AM
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9. I think this is what the end of the Mayan calendar signifies........
Edited on Thu Apr-21-05 02:57 AM by Dover
some sort of leap in consciousness and the end of 'time', or rather the experience of time, as we know it. Perhaps that's also what the Second Coming is all about too. If we could achieve this then of course we could experience real enduring ETERNAL PEACE...as above so below.
In fact Tolle talks about that.

From my "April's Fool" thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=245x5873

Eckhart Tolle describes it this way:

Being is the eternal, ever-present One Life beyond the myriad forms of life that are subject to birth and death. However, Being is not only beyond but also deep within every form as its innermost invisible and indestructible essence. This means that it is accessible to you now as your own deepest self, your true nature. But you don't seek to grasp it with your mind. Don't try to understand it. You can know it only when the mind is still. When you are present, when your attention is fully and intensely in the Now, Being can be felt, but it can never be understood mentally. To regain awareness of Being and to abide in that state of 'feeling realization' is enlightenment.

-- from, The Power of Now


Many misunderstandings and false beliefs about Christ will clear if you realize that there is no past or future in Christ. To say that Christ 'was' or 'will be' is a contradiction in terms. Jesus was. He was a man who lived two thousand years ago and realized divine presence, his true nature. And so he said: "Before Abraham was, I am." He did not say: "I already existed before Abraham was born."
That would have meant that he was still within the dimension of time and form identity. The words 'I am' used in a sentence that starts in the past tense indicate a radical shift, a discontinuity in the temporal dimension. It is a Zen-like statement of great profundity.
Jesus attempted to convey directly, not through discursive thought, the meaning of presence, of self realization. He had gone beyond the consciousness dimension governed by time, into the realm of the timeless. The dimension of eternity had come into this world. Eternity, of course, does not mean endless time, but NO time. Thus, the man Jesus became Christ, a vehicle for pure consciousness. And what is God's self-definition in the Bible? Did God say "I have always been, and I always will be"? Of course not. That would have given reality to past and future. God said "I AM THAT I AM". No time here, just presence.

The 'second coming' of Christ is a transformation of human consciousness, a shift from time to presence, from thinking to pure consciousness, not the arrival of some man or woman. If "Christ" were to return tomorrow in some externalized form, what could he or she possibly say to you other than this:

"I am the Truth. I am divine presence. I am eternal life. I am within you. I am here. I am Now."

-- from The Power of Now, p. 86-87.
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Michael Sharp Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 08:47 PM
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11. I think
You are absolutely right.

I'd only add that Tolle is wrong about the incarnation of Christ.

Christ WILL incarnate in a body.

Everytime any individual succeeds in making "the shift," Christ will be born

namaste

ms

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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:11 PM
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I
think

you are

absolutely right!

The divine shift.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:11 PM
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 03:55 PM
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32. Michael
what do you think about the Book of Revelations? Perhaps you have discussed it before and I simply can't remember. Seems like perhaps you (or maybe something else I've read) said the Annuaki wrote it - just curious what your thoughts are. Thanks.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 04:13 PM
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13. time does not end,time is what keeps everything form happening all at once
the wet brain alcoholic drug addict in the white house is determined to end everything as we know it... but that doesn't end time.

that is a bunch of mind control crap..DO NOT BUY INTO IT !!!!!!

"a negative thoughts continue and increase exponentially until replaced by a positive thought, however the positive thought has to be cultivated" ..H.H. the Dalai Lama.

the mind controllers like Rush Limbaugh works for keep your negative thought swirling and you get sucked into an Apriori Logic Loop that you will not be able to get out of or want to.. only something like learning to play a musical instrument, hard repetitious exercise like jogging or bike riding or Meditation {meditation works best and fastest} will get you out of it.

when you hear rabid fear mongering and negativity being preached you are being MIND F*CKED..!!
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 04:50 PM
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14. Found This Very Interesting
so I bought the book. Thank you Dover.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 01:59 AM
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15. Oh great Me! Please feel free to share any thoughts as you go through it


I have to keep re-reading it because it seems each paragraph is at once both profound and simple......much like the reading of symbols.
Each time I go back and re-read something it just seems to move a little deeper and become more integrated. I have the book AND the tape because I find the quality of his voice so important for the conveyance of the words...like a poet reading his own work.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:58 PM
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16. kick
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:43 PM
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17. This reminds me of Sleep Paralysis.
"The ending of time."
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 09:32 PM
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18. Sure glad this got rebooted, so to speak
I missed it first time 'round, and it's a VERY good message, too good to have missed.

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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:30 PM
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20. Since this thread got resurrected, I'll add another article on Time
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 04:46 PM by Dover
and our Inner clocks, by Dane Rudhyar:



Philosophers and poets have long discussed and still talk about the nature of time. Physicists take a more practical approach inasmuch as what they deal with are measurements; and they measure distance in time with clocks of one kind or another, just as they measure distances in space with an international standard of length — a platinum bar one meter long (a little over three feet) which is kept, or used to be kept, in the basement of an official building in Paris, France. Of course, physicists use far more "sophisticated" measures of time and space which have to do with the wave length of some atomic particles or with the speed of light (a light year being the distance covered by a ray of light during one year). But the principle is not really different from that which Egyptian, Chaldean, Mayan, or Chinese astrologers recognized when calculating a calendar enabling their people to regulate their life activities according to the periodic motions of the Moon, the Sun, Venus, or to the appearance above the horizon of some so-called "fixed star" at a certain time of the year.

Astrology, as we know it, deals essentially with the measuring of time. The processes of life on earth "take time," and that time can be measured by celestial clocks. Actually, this phrase, found in most languages — "to take time" — is a very peculiar one. Is time a substance you, I, or the universe can "take," lose, spend, or give to somebody who needs it? Is time our property to deal with as we choose? On the other hand, we are told to wait for the time, to expect the fulfillment (or the end) of time. This suggests that time moves quite independently of our desire for activity. The mystic, and a host of contemporary pseudo-mystics lured by the glamour of "cosmic consciousness," tell us that time is an illusion and that everything is "now," in the timeless moment.

This is all very confusing, is it not? How can one really experience timelessness as long as biological processes go on in the body of the experiencer? Is there any conceivable moment "When the Sun stood still" and your heart ceased to beat and all cellular activities stopped, except in death? But all sorts of activities still go on in the cells of a corpse. Wherever there is activity, there must obviously be time; and there is activity or motion everywhere. Could it be that activity and time are the same fact, seen externally as activity and internally as time?

What is a living organism or an individual person if not a complex system of interrelated and interdependent activities? Man is not only a system (i.e., an organized whole) of physiological activities (body); that system somehow expands into, or is connected with, an equally complex organization of psychological activities (mind, feelings, imagination, will, etc.). Is it not logical to say that because a human being is active at two levels, he experiences time also in two different ways? Accepting this as a hypothesis, we would then say that time for a conscious and thinking-feeling-willing individual person is known, on the one hand, as objective time (the time of physical activity) and, on the other hand, as subjective time (the time identified by psychic-mental activity).

Two Levels of Human Activity
This may sound very profound and philosophical, but actually nothing could be simpler. A man lives at two different levels of activity — we all know that! When we try to solve a difficult problem or we are reliving a deeply moving experience of love, ecstasy, or panic, "time" then means something different than it means when we are repeating mechanical actions on an assembly line in a factory, typing countless legal forms, or driving from home to office trying to beat the traffic — or also when we watch an organic process like the slow opening of leaves or flowers in early spring.

Novelists and poets tell us how a few minutes of blissful love can seem to last forever or, on the contrary, how when deeply interested in some work or play, "time passes so rapidly." This kind of time belongs to the category of "subjective time." It is a phenomenon of consciousness. We cannot measure it by the standard according to which we measure the time of cosmic or biological activities — i.e., the revolution of the earth around the Sun, the growth of a plant, etc.

An astronomer, a physicist, the supervisor of work in a factory deal only with objective time. They investigate every natural or social phenomenon with their clocks (and also their yardsticks). They measure everything; their thinking is strictly quantitative. The one big clock that has been used since men were able to think objectively — that is, with their intellect — is the sky. The day, the month, and the year are measures of time which men have been able to read on the clock of the sky for countless millennia.

When medieval Europe installed big clocks and bells on the church steeples and the belfries of their city halls, they actually did something quite remarkable. They brought objective time from the cosmic level of the sky to the social level of the city-community. This was a most significant change, the importance of which relatively very few people recognize. Later on, wristwatches came; and objective time became a decisive factor at the personal level of human consciousness — with equally significant results. This introduction of objective time into the greater part of modern life of everyday activity produced a profound change in our "inner life" — particularly our life of feelings and our intuitive thinking (i.e., a thinking open to the vast tides of universal processes). It has had the effect of altering and depreciating our sense of subjective time. It has compartmentalized our thinking and brought technological standards of measurement into our most intimate inner life and even his loving. It has "quantitized" love into sexual accomplishments — how long, how many times, etc...cont'd

http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/clockofyourinnerlife.php

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This is from a very old book on freemasonry (so there shouldn't be any copyright restrictions). While our discoveries in science have
caught up with this centuries old esoteric knowledge, this early explanation of the Time/Space riddle is beautiful and very helpful. It's very much in keeping with what Eckhart Tolle (in his book, The Power of Now) has reintroduced and made accessible. Experience of the Now, is available to the seeker through disciplines such as meditation or wakeful presense, but is not acessible or understood through the intellect alone (meaning...only experientially).


A SYMBOL OF OMNISCIENCE UNCONDITIONED BY SPACE AND TIME

In Masonry the All-Seeing Eye, ever beholds us. Indeed, the expression implies even more than this. Not merely does the Deity behold us – everyone – wherever we are, and however employed – so that all existing facts throughout the material universe, at this present moment, are equally apparent to Him – but it necessarily follows that to an Omnipresent Being, such finite terms as Past, Present and Future can have no meaning; for to Him all Time is one eternal Now.

Space and Time are in fact the two mysterious Pillars which flank the Porch of the material universe – the great Temple of the Deity whom we serve. The celestial and terrestrial worlds rest upon these twin pillars, yet the pillars themselves seem to us illimitable. So far as human reason and thought can fathom them, Space is infinite and Time is infinite; only the All-Seeing Eye of God can comprehend the two in their entirety.

Let us examine these two Pillars more closely. In other words, let us try for a few moments to realise the stupendous scale on which the material universe has been constructed. Perhaps the simplest way to do this will be to adopt an illustration by taking an imaginary journey through Space. We will call to our aid Astronomy. By Astronomy we observe the motions, measure the distances, and comprehend the magnitudes of the celestial bodies.

For our hypothetical voyage let us harness the wings of Light to our chariot. I will not pause now to discuss what Light really is; but you all know that it travels – travels with a velocity almost incredible – about 186,000 miles in a second; or in other words, a velocity equivalent to shooting a particle seven and a half times round the earth whilst your watch marks one second.

Launching ourselves out into the ethereal concave at this almost inconceivable speed, over an abyss of 50,000,000 miles, directing our course to our nearest celestial neighbor, the plant Mars, we arrive in about four and a half minutes at that wonderful world; in many respects so similar and yet in others so different from our own.

We must not stay, howeer, to inspect its marvels. Away again into space we continue our journey for nearly four hours, crossing the orbits of three far mightier spheres – Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus – each separated by a more stupendous distance from the other, until we reach our planetary outpost, Neptune. Our glorious luminary the Sun appears from there but as a glimmering star in the sky. Practically no heat, no daylight ever penetrates the distance from it. Only the mysterious force called gravitation governs and guides it from its solar center 2,740 million miles away. To convey some idea of this enormous distance, may I say that if the path of light and force from the Sun to Neptune be represented by a line 76 yards long, every single inch in that line would represent a million miles.

Thus far have we proceeded; yet this vast planetary system which we have been considering covers but a fraction of the space in the Universe. Standing now on the planet Neptune, let us look forth into the abyss beyond it. The starry firmament surrounds us here just as at home, all the stars still far, far away – at distances of appalling immensity, inexpressible by miles. The velociy of Light at which we have been travelling must be our unti of measurement.

We will select Sirius, the Dog Star, the most brillian (though not the nearest) of all the stellar orbs. Sirius is an enormous binary sun, similar to, but far larger than, our Sun. It is the center of a Sirian planetary system, and dispenses light and heat under the same conditions as in our solar phenomena. Its mass is about twenty times that of our own grand luminary, and its distance about 100 billions of miles; so that the rays of light from Sirius require about 15 years to travel to Earth.

Still, even at this almost incomprehensible distance, there are immeasurable depths of space before us. Far away beyond Sirius we see a misty zone of light, forming an immense girdle around the firmament. From time immemorial it has beeen called the Galaxy or “Milky Way”. As we approach it, this luminous mist resolves itself into a countless multitude of stars, bounded by more nebulous haze. Penetrating still further, this haze is again resolved into myriads of yet more distance stars, and still unexplored haze comes into view from the dark depths of space beyond. We should have to travel with the velocity of Light for ten thousand years ere we could reach the extremity of this stupendous star-cluster, which comprises millions of mighty spheres of incandescent matter, our own Sun being but a unit – a comparatively insignificant unit – amid the host. Remember, too, that every one of these millions of luminaries (together with its planets or satellites) is rolling ever through the vast expanse of Space with terrific rapidity, in its own particular path among its fellows.

Yet again, we must turn our thoughts away beyond this countless multitude of suns. The Universe extends far beyond them. Still on the wings of the Light, you must project your minds across voids which (even with our postulated tremendous velocity) would require thousands of years to traverse, until at length our glorious Galaxy shall have shrunk in retrogressive remoteness to the appearance of a small vesica-shaped cloud.

Meanwhile before us another self-luminous cloud grows grander and grander, till the darkness is dispelled by its glittering haze. On and on, till the haze resolves itself into more myreads of suns – glorious and immense as that whence we came; a cluster whose extent would unquestionably require at least another ten thousand years to transpierce with all the speed of Light.

In other words – night after night, by means of our largest and finest telescopes, waves of Light enter and impinge on a human eye after having been travelling through space for more than sixty-thousand years. Yet, beyond this awful circuit, boundless Space spreads away as unfathomable as ever.

We have passed from planet to planet, from sun to sun, from star-cluster to star-cluster; yet only to discover that the limits of Space – tri-dimensional Space – extend beyond our grasp in every direction.

“The human spirit can only cry out that it finds no limit. Notwithstanding all its strivings the finite mind cannot really get any nearer to where the might sea of Time breaks in noiseless waves on the shore of Eternity” (Klein).

We have reached the point where human thought must halt, and imagination grow giddy in conceiving God's ominiscience.

Like two parallel lines, these mighty pillars of Space and Time raise their heads about the Temple of the Universe, converging at Infinity; where the All-Seeing Eye of the Deity looks along them from beginning to end, in simultaneous inspection.

Now standing at the top of the Winding Staircase of Arts and Sciences, we pause – and from this vantage point concentrate and direct our attention upon that sublime symbol which is the subject of our study. Let us see whether our brief astronomical survey will enable us to comprehend more clearly how – to the All-Seeing Eye – there can be no such distinctions as here and There…Past and Future. To the Almighty and Eternal God there can be – there must be, only an ever-constant Here and Now.

I ask you to remember the velocity at which light travels, and look at the light shining in the east of the Lodge. You do not see its form, size and color as they really ARE at this very instant; but as they WERE when the waves of luminositywhich now enter your eyes left the source a certain fraction of time ago. In the same way we see the Sun only as it existed either minutes previously, and we see the planet Neptune only as it existed four hours previously. To go further, to what are termed the “fixed stars”, we see Sirius as it was fifteen years ago. During the long interval Sirius may have disappeared or exploded into atoms; yet we on this planet still see it shining, and we shall continue so to see it until the long line of luminosity emanating from it has run itself out.

In fact, to us, the Vault of Space is bespangled with images of blazing suns not as they are now, but as they WERE centuries ago; whilst stellar photography reveals light which left other firmaments even thousands of years ago.


Let us take the converse of this thought. If we were situated now on the planet Neptune, and we had eyes (or else some suitable optical instrument) to see in minute detail occurrences upon the Earth, the scene here which we should behold would not be that of the present moment but that of four hours ago.

Proceeding still further away, on the star Sirius would be visible the events which were occurring on Earth 15 years ago. On some other yet more distant star, there is just arrving that historic spectacle when the English Grand Lodge was inaugurated more than two centuries ago. At another spot, still more remote, is only now arriving the scene which occurred at Jerusalem nearly 3000 years ago when Solomon King of Israel was marking out the designs for their wonderful Temple; at that particular point in space every incident will be depicted in its true succession, until the stately pile becomes completed and the workment are bidden to cease labor.


By the same logical sequence it is obvious that in worlds still more exceedingly remote, the whole history of the Earth could not yet have begun to be. What would occur if from such a point we could return to Earth in one year, endowed with the wonderful faculty which I have been assuming? The whole of the events from the Creation down to the present moment would pass in view before us as we approached, only thousands of times more rapidly. Make the journey in one month instead of one year, and the speed of consecution will be proportionately accelerated. Make the journey in a day, an hour, a second, or a moment, and all those events in Existence which we denominate “the Past” will be visibly enacted in an infinitesimal unit of time.

In fact we may thus understand that wherever we are, and whatever we do, the survey of the Omnipresent Diety is not only upon us now, but is also simultaneously beholding every event which has occurred since the beginning of all Time. To an Omnipresent Being an eternity can be at will compressed into a moment, and conversely, a moment can be protracted to an eternity; for, to his All-Seeing Eye, Time can have no objective reality.

There is another method which may help us to grasp the idea that to the All-Seeing Eye, the infinitesimally little must be just readily and entirely apparent as the superlatively large. I have show that to the Omnipresent Being, what we call Time (or duration) cannot exist. Any event may be drawn out to a thousand times its length or may be enacted a thousand times more rapidly; but it will, of course, still constitute the same scene or series of scenes. Now, such are the limitations of our human faculties that we cannot distinguish in any quivering object more than twenty vibrations per second as single separate movements. At any quicker rate such vibrations are perceptible to our sight only as a blur, and to our hearing only as a hum.

But many a tiny insect regularly vibrates its wings a thousand times in a second (as we know by the musical note produced), and, so far as we can scertain, that insect is itself cognizant of each separate beat. How absolutely different from ours must its appreciaton of Time be!!! Its entire life extends only over a few hours. There can be not alternation of day and night – none of the ordinary criteria whereby WE measure duration. It would be, as it were, viewing Time through a microscope.

Now, if we travel away from such insect at exactly the velocity of light (as, in imangination we did a short time ago) that which we call “the present instant” would continue always with us; the wing of the insect (although really vibrating at tremendous speed) would appear to us quite stationary; and would for ever remain so if we thus continued our flight concurrently with the rays of light. Therefore, to the All-Seeing Eye of the Deity who formed that tiny insect, and endowed it with life, its entire existence must be instantaneously apparent – every minute circumstance indelibly portrayed in waves of light, which circulate for ever through the illimitable Space which we have been surveying.

A SYMBOL OF OMNISCIENCE REGARDED MONITORALLY

In conclusion, let us see whether these thoughts will not help to solve (at least partly) some of the moral enigmas which confront us when we contemplate the evil and injustice perpetrated on Earth. A crime, committed hundreds or even thousands of years ago, may have remained undiscovered by Man, but somewhere in Space the scene still exists from beginning to end. The victim and the criminals of that fatal catastrophe have been for centuries turned to dust. Both site and surroundings have been swept from the Here. But the entire sequence of events is protrayed There – the ghastly wound still appeals for justice before the All-Seeing Eye, and (adopting an argument of the eminent astronomer Flammarion) if the ghosts of the assassins were condemned to move ceaselessly in space with the point where the etherial vibrations display their crime, and with the velocity of light, they would thereby be compelled to a perpetual contemplation of it. A penalty, surely, as terrible as the crime itself !

So must it be with every lapse from that undeviating line of conduct laid down in Sacred Law. And every such defection must remain – would have to subsist in perpetuity – except that the dazzling brilliance of Judicial Power in the All-Seeing Eye is blended with an Infinite Benignity. It is this which permits that hereafter – somehow, somewhere, these penal offences will be annulled from existence.

Here, our circle of human conduct is bounded by Divine Mercy. But parallel lines converge at Infinity. Hence, though the Seord of unerring and impartial Justice impends the one parallel, we raise our eyes to that Bright Morning Star which illumins the other, and we trust that by humility and contrition the doom will bee be averted.

Yet the deeply solemn thought reamins. Wherever we are, and whatever we do – ALL is perpetually present to the scrutiny of our Just though merciful Judge. To Him our real intentions are plainly apparent, the criterion of our actions; and He will reward or punish as we have obeyed or disregarded His Divine commands. Whatever be our faults, the Eye of Omniscience exercises an unwearied supervision over the actions and affairs of the whole human race; and while we continue to act according to the principles of our Craft, let us not fail to discharge our duty to the Grand Overseer with fervency and zeal.




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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 05:37 PM
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22. Regarding the Rudhyar writings...
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 05:41 PM by SimpleTrend
It reminds me of my biblical reading about 28 years ago. When you see the "abomination of desolation", "stand in the holy place."
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 06:59 PM
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23. Crisis of consciousness
Simple Trend, I'm not quite seeing the relationship you are drawing between Rudhyar and the biblical source. Would you explain?
What is the 'holy place' for you?

________________________________________________________________

More from Rudhyar:


When the human mentality was formed under the rigid patterns of social-cultural systems of communal organization celestially dominated by Jupiterian religions and Saturnian rites and dogmas, everything that would transcend and could lead to the universalization of the worshipped Tradition was publicly taught to be evil, and only made known, in the secrecy of some Holy of Holies, to selected and harshly tested candidates to Initiation. But now that the trans-Saturnian planets have entered the conscious Mind of Humanity, the radical crises of consciousness to which modern man is subjected — as his most fundamental bio-psychic allegiances are being dissolved into meaninglessness — have taken the place of the greater part of what once was occulted. Modern life itself is the tester because this life challenges us to make crucial decisions that only a few selected and trained individuals could make in the past.
We can indeed validly assume that mankind is in the midst of a process of extensive "mutation" — a fundamental change in consciousness; and the fact that Uranus, Neptune and Pluto have entered the field of human consciousness is, I believe, an evident and powerful symbol of the spread of this process to an ever larger section of mankind. This does not imply that the process will be a success, or that the mutation will not have a great many destructive and regressive results. Whether it will or not, how much greater the overall success will be than the inevitable failures, and how changed — and probably much diminished in number — humanity will be at the end of our global crisis: these are questions to which no valid answers can be given today. I do not seek to prophesize, but only to elucidate.
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/at/at_c1_pp6.shtml
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 07:22 PM
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24. Thanks for asking, Dover.
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 07:28 PM by SimpleTrend
I viewed Daniel as the great mystic of the bible,
which grants him a certain similarity to Rudhyar based upon your statements of Blavatsky association (mystic), although, I confess I haven't read any of Rudhyar's writings save what you've posted here.

Stand in the holy place, means to me, to go within. That is where the time-disparity is most evident. It is also the basis of my "sleep paralysis" comment in this thread, wikipedia has an interesting article where the dual timetrack is mentioned at the end:
With regard to this abovementioned possibility the so-called 'disorder' reflects a lack of thorough investigation concerning the matter of how the fully awake state relates to the dreaming state. One important question is if both states are within one and the same spectrum of consciousness or within two different spectra, and if both states alternate in an interdependent transition or not. If there would be separate spectra of consciousness instead of one, it would be highly likely that there would be no transition of the two states within the one and the same spectrum, and in that case this would suggest that there is no interdependence between the state of full awareness and the state of REM or dreaming.

(From the personal experience of M. van Veen, during which the writer wondered how it was possible to be on two tracks at the same time.) .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis


Is that explanative enough for you, Dover?

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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 07:37 PM
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25. Yes, thanks for pulling those threads together for me.
It's an interesting question. Regarding the dream v. awake state, my feeling is that they are one, two sides of the same coin, and can co-mingle. I'm thinking of the situations where the dreamer can learn to manipulate or communicate with the dream state in order to direct it. I've also programmed myself to wake up at certain times, almost to the extent that I no longer need an alarm clock.

I think I described these two states in another thread. Consciousness can be at the switching station for two or more trains.
Some trains are much faster than the others (intuition is more or less timeless but to our time-bound world it is considered 'fast). So we can learn to get our slower moving rational or waking minds out of the way to allow the faster moving trains to pass.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 05:34 PM
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21. Self-deleted
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 05:35 PM by SimpleTrend
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 09:04 PM
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26. Musings- Painters Used To Do 2 Dimensional Painting, Anonymously.
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 09:21 PM by cryingshame
all painting up til around Giotto was religious art and unsigned. It had no perspective and was basically 2 dimensional.

And then TA-DA!

Perspective was discovered. And individual artists began signing their work.

Art (and the Reality it symbolically depicted) became THREE Dimensional.

Humanity added a new dimension to their world view.

IMO, the End of Time will essentially be such a change.

Holograms have been discovered. String Theory brings # of Dimensions to 20 (I think).

Reality has been proven to be NON-Local. That is not bound by Space.

So it seems Humanity somehow or other is going to be forced to realize that Time is not a set limitation... but a manmade device.

Now, let me go see if there's another thread on Intelligent Design in GD filled with DU'ers who desperately need to cling to their Materialistic Reductionism.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 09:22 PM
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27. VERY interesting post Cryingshame. And the 4th Dimension?
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 09:41 PM by Dover
I hadn't put the signing of art with the 3-D shift. But that seems right to me. So perhaps the signing of one's name to his creations is indicative of humanities shift in ego development?

And so now we are exploring 4th Dimension.

Fourth Dimension in Modernist Art and Literature:

http://www.cwru.edu/artsci/engl/VSALM/mod/ricca/paper.html

http://www.vrlab.uci.edu/dzmura/4D/default.htm

--DIMENSIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS--

* First dimensional consciousness is awareness as a point. The consciousness that resonates to this dimension is the mineral kingdom. Current third dimensional science has not proven that minerals have any awareness as we recognize it, but healers and shaman have been using crystals as healing tools for many centuries.
Humans' first dimensional consciousness is "unconscious" to our five physical senses. However, the first dimension is a portion of our bodies and represents the minerals, water, and genetic codes that are the foundation of our physical forms. If we could access this level of our unconscious, we could connect with the entire physical world via its most basic common denominator-the individual molecules. Perhaps we could even consciously access our own genetic coding.

I feel myself upon the first step of my consciousness. I am of the first dimension. I am an atom of carbon, a drop of water, and an imprint upon a strand of DNA. However, I cannot perceive the strand or the other molecules of water and carbon. I am only conscious of the exact point of my awareness. However, as I look inside myself, I find that another world exists, a world of electrons, protons, nuclei, and quarks. I am the gateway between the macrocosm and the microcosm.

* Second dimensional consciousness is awareness as point and line. The consciousness that resonates to this dimension is biological matter such as the plant kingdom and the lower animal kingdom. The consciousness of this dimension does not possess self-awareness. These beings are only conscious of their species' identity and their need for feeding, fighting, and procreation. Their consciousness is based upon survival of the fittest and they live solely within the awareness of the moment. Human second dimensional consciousness is centered in the lower brain that directs the autonomic nervous system to regulate and maintain life support functions. Our five physical senses are largely unconscious of this component of ourselves, but with training such as biofeedback and meditations, some conscious awareness and control can be established. Yogis are known to achieve enough conscious control of their autonomic nervous system to regulate their heartbeat and metabolism.

"Primitive" peoples are much more aware of this "animal" portion of their physical form and, therefore, have conscious access to their basic instincts and an awareness of how they are a portion of a greater whole. They, unlike "civilized" man, have a constant respect for all life and the balance of nature.

I feel myself now expand to my second dimensional consciousness. My task is simple. I must survive. I will protect myself and procreate in the proper season. I look neither forwards or backwards and I dwell only in the present. I am what I am and where I am. I neither plan nor reflect. I live to continue the existence of my species. If a human consciousness inhabits my form, I am not aware of it. My perceptions are confined to what I can eat, use, fight, mate with, or rear. However, my "herd" and myself are one. Our instincts guide us and we are a part of nature.

* Third dimensional consciousness is awareness of point, line, length, breadth, height, and volume. The primary consciousness of this dimension is the higher animal kingdom and the human kingdom. The humanoid form is composed of all the elements of the first and second dimensional being-water, minerals, genetic coding, and biological matter-as well as an individual soul. It is the individual soul that distinguishes humans from the other members of the animal kingdom who mostly have a group soul.
The third dimension is locked in a time/space and cause/effect paradigm. This dimension is a schoolroom that our Souls attend by inhabiting humanoid physical bodies to learn more about creation. In the third dimension, life mirrors all that we are seeking to understand. Therefore, the process of creating via our thoughts and feelings is slowed down so that we can track the circumstances of what we hold in our consciousness.

The third dimension is known as the conscious world. However, there are different stages of human consciousness aligned in a hierarchical manner that often coincide with our age and stage of life. In the first stage, we are children and we are dependent. In this state of dependency we do not realize that our consciousness holds the seeds of the life we are creating. We believe that we are powerless over our environment and are victims to the circumstances of our lives. It is our goal to gain enough self-awareness as we mature beyond this child-state so that we can become independent.
We are independent when we have learned that we can control our own life. Through our choices and experiences, we have gained trust in our ability to be responsible and we maintain our responsibility because we respect ourselves. This respect is based upon our sense of personal power. Without a sense of personal power we are filled with fear which reduces us to "surviving".

We enter the dependable stage when we have gained enough trust and respect for ourselves that we can become responsible for others. We have learned that we definitely have an impact, not only on our own life, but also upon the lives of others. Therefore, we feel confident that we are reliable. Unfortunately, people will take responsibility for other people's lives while they are still in the dependent stage or when they have not yet learned to be responsible even for themselves. These actions can create generation after generation of dysfunctional families.

As humans we have the ability to remember the past and the future while remaining aware of the present. However, while using only our third dimensional consciousness much of our past remains forgotten in our unconscious mind and we usually feel a sense of separation from the whole, a feeling of limitation in achieving our desires, and a need to work hard to accomplish our goals.

From third dimensional consciousness, society and "science" seek to prove that the only reality that exists is the one we perceive with our five physical senses and to believe that our perceptions of reality ARE reality. From this state of consciousness, spirit has congealed into matter and our consciousness and our egos are identified ONLY by the physical world. This development of a strong sense of ego is often at the cost of losing our sense of group identity (especially in the western world where individual achievement and possessions often become the most important parts of our lives).

Awareness of our spiritual self can only be remembered when we have expanded our consciousness to encompass the higher dimensions. Then we can release our dependency upon others and heal our sense of powerlessness and victimization. We then become independent in a new sense because we have realized that we, and we alone, are creating our reality. We are thereby more dependable then ever because we are not waylaid from our promises and goals by our own "unconscious" self-sabotage.

Our consciousness then progresses from:

INDIVIDUAL consciousness to ~
GROUP consciousness to ~
COMMUNITY consciousness to ~
NATIONAL consciousness to ~
COLLECTIVE consciousness to ~
PLANETARY consciousness to ~
GALACTIC consciousness

As our consciousness expands, so does our definition of the world in which we live.

I expand my consciousness to the next step. I am three-dimensional. I know of myself as an individual human, but still I struggle for survival. I wish to feed myself, shelter myself, and cover my body. I wish to find a mate and create children. Is there more? Yes, there are feelings and thoughts. With my thoughts I remember my past. My feelings fill these memories with happiness, pain, love, or fear. With my thoughts I plan the future which I desire. But do I have the power to create my life or am I a victim to the world around me?

* Fourth dimensional consciousness is awareness of point, length, breadth, height, volume, and time. The fourth dimension is also known as the astral plane and the primary consciousness of this dimension is the astral body, which s also known as the "higher human". The astral body is of a higher vibration than the physical body and is in a form that is known as etheric. The astral plane and astral bodies are an octave jump up in resonant frequency from the third dimension and the perception of past, present, and future becomes more fluid as the third dimensional laws of time and space are changed.

On the fourth dimension, we can reintegrate our group identity without the loss of our personal ego and it is the last vibration where physical vehicles are used to contain individual consciousness. However, because of the fluid nature of time and space our astral forms naturally morph and there is a huge mobility of form. It is the realm of the "shape shifters" that mythology speaks of. A shaman or holy person who can shape shift has learned to ground their astral form upon the third dimension so completely that they can temporarily change their third dimensional form.
Much of our third dimensional life also exists upon the fourth dimension in a higher vibrational format, but we are not aware of it because that reality is NOT in sync with our physical time and space. We can have a dream of an entire lifetime and wake up to find that only five minutes of our physical time has passed. Our astral reality of this, as well as our other physical incarnations, is not perceivable to our third dimensional self unless we have remembered our multidimensional consciousness.

The fourth dimension is the realm of the unconscious mind. Our unconscious mind holds the awareness of our body's first and second dimensional components as well as all our past experiences of this life and all other third dimensional lives. It is the realm of dream life. When we are "asleep", we are unconscious in the third dimension, but we are conscious in the fourth dimension. We can expand our third dimensional consciousness into the fourth dimension through gaining an awareness of the inner-workings of our physical body, remembering our dreams, and having intense experiences of passion, emotion, creativity, and/or spirituality.

Our fourth dimensional astral bodies possess advanced dreaming, imagination, psychic ability, intuition, magic, and creativity. As we expand our mind to be conscious of our unconscious mind, we can experience more and more of these qualities while in our physical form. Some people are born with an innate connection to their fourth dimensional self and must "work" to ground their consciousness in a third dimensional world that often feels foreign and hostile. Others are born without this awakened connection and they usually feel more comfortable and "at home" within the third dimensional paradigm. These people often feel cut off from the higher dimensional portions of themselves and may not even believe that "higher selves" even exist.

Our astral body does exist and its highest vibration is our spiritual guidance. Much like a person upon a mountaintop can observe and guide the residents of the valley below, our higher astral self can observe us upon the third dimension and give us guidance. Through the expanded perception of our fourth dimensional self we can create great changes in our physical world. However, the fourth dimension still has the polarization of light and dark and this realm is not necessarily more loving, especially upon the lower sub-planes. Upon the fourth dimension, thought and feelings create reality much more quickly than upon the third dimension and fear can create evil as easily as love can create beauty and joy.

There are different planes of consciousness in the fourth. The lower Astral plane holds the invisible emanations of all the fear and negativity that is projected into it from the physical plane. The lower Astral has been known as Hell, with Purgatory being above that. Fourth dimensional consciousness feeds into and extends from third dimensional emotions and is often known as the "realm of emotion". The lower astral, which holds the third dimension's negative emotions, is not a pleasant experience and a path must be forged through it into the higher sub-planes-such as Faerie.

The Land of Faerie, which we read about as children in our "Fairy Tales", actually exists upon the middle fourth dimension. Faerie acts as respite after we have forged our pathway through the fear and darkness of the lower astral plane. After we have experienced Faerie, we can travel in our fourth dimensional consciousness (or fourth dimensional bodies) into the Emotional (also known as the Astral Plane) and Mental Plane to learn mastery of our emotions and thoughts. Upon the Causal Plane (which is also known as the Higher Mental Plane) we can learn the cause and effect of how thoughts and feelings create our world. The Spiritual plane connects us to our higher guidance.

cont'd

http://www.multidimensions.com/mdc_1dim.html
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 09:55 PM
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28. Hmm #1. There Is No UN-Conscious. There Is Sub & Super Consciouos
Edited on Mon Aug-08-05 09:57 PM by cryingshame
Subconsciousness has two phases...

The High Priestess which is Memory & root material (the Moon)
The Empress which is Suggestion & form builder (Venus)

It is the Moon which connects us all each to another and every other thing.

It is Venus which does the work given her by the Emperor that differentiates all that Is.

#2. Recieving Spiritual Guide is what's referred to as Intuition or Inner Teaching. The word Intuition is far too often mistakenly interchanged with Psychism. There's a whole level of Worlds difference between the two.

"Our astral body does exist and its highest vibration is our spiritual guidance. Much like a person upon a mountaintop can observe and guide the residents of the valley below, our higher astral self can observe us upon the third dimension and give us guidance."

#3. there's a reason why I pop up on threads here on DU that discuss violent video games. And why, even though I don't agree with censoring them, I DO point out the hypocracy of those playing them coming here and saying they want world peace.

"There are different planes of consciousness in the fourth. The lower Astral plane holds the invisible emanations of all the fear and negativity that is projected into it from the physical plane.... Fourth dimensional consciousness feeds into and extends from third dimensional emotions and is often known as the "realm of emotion"."

#4. The Land of the Fairy is actually quite dangerous. It's the level where we are apt to become trapped having experiences of great power that we can manifest on the Physical Plane.

Funny, in fairy tales, there are stories about people being lost in there forever. :)

Remember in the Bible where Satan tempts Christ and asks him to demonstrate powers? This is the Temptation and Trial period.

"Faerie acts as respite after we have forged our pathway through the fear and darkness of the lower astral plane. After we have experienced Faerie, we can travel in our fourth dimensional consciousness (or fourth dimensional bodies) into the Emotional (also known as the Astral Plane) and Mental Plane to learn mastery of our emotions and thoughts. Upon the Causal Plane (which is also known as the Higher Mental Plane) we can learn the cause and effect of how thoughts and feelings create our world. "
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 10:27 PM
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29. The Empress rules the Emperor...she comes first in the deck.
Or at least that's one school of thought (according to Jason C. Lotterhand).
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:27 PM
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33. I Love Jason Lotterhand. Hey Dover, You Want To Do A Thursday Night Tarot
in this forum?
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