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Sat Nov-27-04 07:00 PM
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Poll question: Where do you think the core reform should be? |
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The one which would have the potential to reverse, even if over a long period of time, the trend towards generalized stupidity and manipulability of the people. Now, think about this for a little more than a minute. I'm talking about the thing that you see at the very *core* of the democratic development of our society. The one which would be worth losing for, on behalf and for the sake of the coming generations.
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Sat Nov-27-04 07:09 PM
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I think both reforming the media and separation of church and state are vital. To do one without the other is pointless.
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Sat Nov-27-04 07:55 PM
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2. That's what a strategy is: |
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The science of the goals.
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Sat Nov-27-04 08:10 PM
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Your response seems a non sequitor to me, so I must be missing something.
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Sat Nov-27-04 10:25 PM
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5. I mean that to win the reversal war |
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a central goal must be chosen and kept in mind through the battles. That's what is missing imo. No goal, no victory, just a series of fruitless battles, won or lost, it does not matter. Once the strategy has been set one can proceed to a tactical reflection (tactics: the science of the means).
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Sat Nov-27-04 10:29 PM
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6. But what if two goals are dependent on each other? |
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That was my point. If they are, you've got to pursue both at once.
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Sun Nov-28-04 12:43 AM
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one must logically contain at least some of the conditions of the other. According to lotd (post below), reform of the electoral system precedes the others: when people's voice is heard as is, it's easier to implement other reforms, like a regulation of the media. One could also make the opposite point: by reforming the media first, one makes easier a democratic control of the elections. Strategy is not a simple thing... That's why I thought important that people like us, not encumbered by beliefs, discuss it.
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Sat Nov-27-04 09:16 PM
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4. we've had three corrupt elections in a row since the coup of 2000 |
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until that's fixed, nothing else will even count.
literally.
The media is the key to reversing the "generalized stupidity."
But until we have legitimate elctions again, that won't matter.
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Sat Nov-27-04 10:29 PM
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Still seems to me that some form of media regulation would help get to 1-... We are in a situation of quasi-monopoly media-wise. The situation as far as radio is psrticularly amazing. Clear Channel and affiliates control nearly every station in "deep America". Where I live, they even edit the 60's songs to remove "shit"..! Not a beep, just digitally engineered so that nobody even realizes that the song has been censored!
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Sun Nov-28-04 03:09 AM
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9. it won't work without regulating the media |
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it won't matter without restoring elections.
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