Kerry-bashing on Malloy! Arrrrrrrrgh!

[elshiva]

I like Malloy,but he said don't look at Kerry who practices "the politics of appeasement." Malloy really against Kerry running again. "Look to the Independents and Greens." Arrrrrgh!:cry:

It was a Kerry-bashing caller who was like "There was Kerry hob-nobbing with Bush...This is not a time for civility." Malloy went along. grrrrr fucking grrrrrr!

They see what they want to see. They forget that Kerry is voting down major Bush legislation and has a solid liberal voting record. The Greens did not help vote down FMA!

[politicasista]

1. It's ok, elshiva

I don't listen to talk radio (unless it's music). I am sick of Kerry bashing. :nopity:

[elshiva]

2. Yeah, but it's Mike Malloy, not Mainstream Talk.

Sigh I expected better. I love Air America, but nothing's perfect. Al Franken is a GENIUS!

[Pirate Smile]

3. Malloy should know better. He should at least be informed and

not pass along incorrect information.

Kerry proposed and helped pass the resolution for Jackie Robinson before the election at the request of the Red Sox management to help make amends for the earlier, bad civil rights record of the Red Sox.

I'm sure he was hoping he would be there as President presenting the medal to Jackie's widow.

You can have your own opinion but not your own facts. That rule should apply to both people on the right and the left.

I think Malloy reads DU so you could post a thread about this in one of the general forums so he might see it. I'm on my way to bed but I'll look real quick for an article that gives these facts.

edit to add - if anybody thinks Kerry isn't going to show up for events he thinks he should appear at or he wants to go to because of Bush, they don't have a F@#king clue who JK is.

He went to the friggin Inauguration for Gods sake when I couldn't even stand to watch it on TV.

[politicasista]

4. Good idea

I hope I didn't make you feel bad eshiva.

[elshiva]

17. You did not make me feel bad. Actually you made me feel better.

Thank you politicasista for your posts. I am not at all offended. You made me feel better by being the first to post.

[Pirate Smile]

5. Here you go - it explains the whole thing with the timeline.

The impetus behind the awarding of the gold medal came from an unlikely source. It began with a query from George Mitrovich, the head of the City Club of San Diego, the Denver Forum and a former press attaché to the late Senator Robert Kennedy.

Mitrovich, a civic force behind the building of San Diego's PETCO Park, said he learned to appreciate the force that was Jackie Robinson as he forged a relationship with former Negro League star and manager Buck O'Neil, who has been honored numerous times in southern California for his contribution to baseball.

"It was Buck O'Neil, who first made me understand that before President Truman desegregated the military, before Brown vs. the Board of Education, before civil rights marches in the south and before the Birmingham bus boycott, before anyone ever heard of Martin Luther King Jr., there was Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier," Mitrovich said. "And the significance of Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier was infinitely greater than its impact upon baseball. It had a huge societal effect."

After determining an apt and eloquent national recognition for Robinson, Mitrovich asked last year's Democratic presidential candidate, Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, to author and present the Robinson gold medal bill to the Senate.

By law, a gold medal bill must be sponsored by 75 percent of the 290 members of the House of Representatives and at least 67 Senators.

It was presented to the Senate by Kerry and John McCain (R-Ariz.) on Feb. 4, 2003.

In his speech, Kerry told his colleagues that Robinson's signing by the Dodgers was so significant because it "engaged the American people in a constructive conversation about race."

"Off the field Jackie Robinson was a business leader, a civil rights leader and a human rights leader," Kerry said. "His ideas and principles influenced some of America's greatest politicians, including (Presidents) John F. Kennedy and Dwight Eisenhower. Jackie Robinson was more than a sports hero, he was an American hero."

The bill ultimately passed and was signed into law by President Bush last Oct. 29.

When the Robinson family is awarded the gold medal on March 2, the process will have taken nearly three years from the seed of the original idea to the actual ceremony.

"This kind of recognition helps us instill in children
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_news.jsp?ymd=20050128&content_id=936492&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp

[GRLMGC]

6. I've come to the conclusion that they're never going to like him

There's not much we can do about it. There's not much Kerry could do about it. If he singlehandedly brought world peace tomorrow, they'd still hate him for not doing it fast enough.

[karynnj]

13. Is this a repeat of the 70s

Kerry seems to have a talent for having both extremes of the political spectrum vilifying him at the same time. From accounts of the 1970s anti-war movement, Kerry was crystal clear on his positions and was one of (if not the most) persuasive anti-war activists. However, he had no use for either the anti-war counter culture people or the extreme left talking revolution and they weren't fans of him. On the other hand, he was being followed by the FBI and harassed by Nixon's goons.

While in both today's world and in the 70s it is easy to see why the right would fear his eloquent, well reasoned, articulate message against their actions. It's hard to understand why the extreme left treats him worse than people whose positions are further from theirs. They hold things against him that they give others a pass on. Is it that, deep down, they resent that he won't lead their revolution or even use a public occasion like this to rudely or overtly show disrespect for Bush?

What's strange is that, at least on the environment, he is promoting social activism such as a huge grassroots effort to persuade Congress not to drill in the ANWR. (Although a different cause, his method of people taking their cause to their Congress sounds familiar). How could he be clearer or attack more directly Bush's budget than he did at the Kennedy Library?

Putting it in perspective though, it might be worse for Kerry, if the lunatic fringe of the left was enthusiastic about him and he could be closely identified with them. Would an Abbie Hoffman endorsement in 1972 have produced more votes for McGovern for President or for Kerry in the Congressional race?

In the last few days, on some of the Kerry threads there have been more people standing up for him. Of the 2008 candidates, Kerry may be the only one who can be considered liberal. Clinton, Gore, Edwards, Clark, Mark Warner, Bayh are less liberal or not liberal at all. They want Feingold, Boxer or Kuchinich to run. If Kerry is not a serious candidate in 2008, it's a moot point. If Kerry and, say, Evan Bayh and Hillary are the strong candidates, who would they pick? If they pick a fringe candidate, they don't impact the outcome. In this case, if they vote strategically to get the most Liberal candidate, they'll vote for Kerry and then spend the rest of the year complaining about holding their noses.

[JI7]

7. caller sounds like the typical dumb fuck

ignorant ass who just rants on and doesn't really care about the issues.

[politicasista]

8. True

[LittleClarkie]

9. Look to the GREENS!

For what?!?!?!?!

Are they nuts!

Agh, spare me. Why would the DEMOCRATIC Party look to the Greens. And which Independants?

Geez people, get practical.

[elshiva]

18. Greens are talk and no action.

I'm tired of their posturing. I don't like Nader, either. Nader is nadir.

[sandnsea]

10. Because of Jackie Robinson????

John Kerry introduced the legislation to give Jackie Robinson that award. I was amazed at his graciousness, since he didn't get hardly any of the notoriety for it.

There's a whole bunch of people in this country who are goddamned lucky I'm too poor to jump on a plane when I get pissed off, cuz there'd be a lotta head thunkin' going on otherwise.

:grr:

[LittleClarkie]

11. It was a Red Sox event to boot, and he wasn't the only Senator there

Why aren't they blasting the other Congress people from the Red Sox nation.

What do they expect him to do, shun every event from the inaugaration to Christmas with Arnie and the neice of a freakin' Kennedy?!?!

Oh, fuck it. All I can hope is that folks like Malloy and this caller don't run the Party at any level.

THIS is why I like Ed Schultz. He doesn't cut Kerry alot of slack either, but at least he's not unreasonable.

WHY cant these people see that Kerry is busting his ass out there. But nooooo, all they see are these little social things.

[angrydemocrat]

12. Not Surprising

I quit listening to Malloy and Randi Rhodes over that very shit. I have no use for people like that. They remind me of the whiney asses here at DU. They need to grow the hell up. But seriously I haven't listen to Air America for at least 2 months or longer and don't plan on it. I know a lot of people that quit listening to Air America due to Malloy and Randi's attitude's. And it's not just Kerry they have a problem with and bash. Like I said they remind me of all the whiners here at DU they bash any Democrat that doesn't do exactly what they want and they need to grow the hell up. Everyone get's pissed and goes off once in a while but damn some people don't know when the hell to drop it and move on and those two are good examples of that.

[karynnj]

14. Totally agree

What's weird is I can't picture their RW equivalents criticizing Bush, DeLay, or Frist. Only when a Republican challenges the RW do they get any attacks.

It like they won't forgive Kerry for losing, even though he clearing gave it his all. It's easy in retrospect to criticize him (or his campaign) for not responding fast enough on the swift boat slimers or the flip flop charge. What they ignore was the deck was stacked against him and while talking almost constantly for most of a year, he made almost no gaffes. Kerry, Teresa,the Edwards,and their extended families did everything they could.

On one thread (with a nice person, who felt Kerry didn't go after Bush enough), I argued that a traumatized America would not have gone with Kerry if he spoke about the evils of the Bush family. I think there was a good reason he didn't take credit for the Contra/drug investigation. Reagan had just died and the press had nearly called for his canonization. No country wants to accept that evil was done in its name. For Kerry, who was in a competitive race to have tried to win on this basis would have been absolutely stupid.
Some of the things Rhodes says Kerry should have done were in this vein. I find it annoying that she compares what she does (bringing up semi researched charges) as what the campaign should have done.

[Hans Delbrook]

19. The only credit I'll ever give the rethugs

is that they don't eat their own. Go back and see if you can find this kind of savaging of Dole by the Wingnuts - you won't.

I've had a lousy week and it's probably compounding my downer attitude here but my world on DU keeps getting smaller - I've been staying out of GD, GD-Politics, LBN, because ANY thing in those forums can turn into a Kerry bashing thread and now avoiding the Lounge because of the Catholic bashing. Sigh.

[cestpaspossible]

15. The Red Sox won the World Series

and the junior Senator from Mass is not supposed to be there when they go to DC? :eyes:

[DoBotherMe]

16. Maybe it's a good thing that our

hero brings out the venom at both ends of the extreme and at the same time his appeal is heightened (with each moral action and statement of reason) for those of us who THINK! I believe that it is his moderation that makes him so credible. My man. Dana ; )