Why don't Americans ever learn???

[Rocknrule]

3 years. 2000 soldiers, 100000 civilians, and trillions of dollars into Vietraq, most Americans realize it was a mistake and a lie. But all it takes to get them all hot and horny for war again is "Look, Iran is developing nukes! They must be stopped!" and suddenly Uuuuuhhhmuricans want to pick another fight, possibly nuclear, against a country 10 times bigger and stronger than Iraq. Just before Election 2004, the majority of Americans could see that Kerry could give America a brighter future, but on November 2, they just say "we want a guy who hates fags dammit!" Americans have had opportunity after opportunity to redeem themselves and correct their mistakes but they make the wrong decision every time! What will it take???

[Deja Q]

1. Because watching celebirities make bunny faces on a theatre screen is

more fun and rewarding.

Has, is, always will be.

[BrklynLiberal]

2. Must be something in the water.

:sarcasm:

[Bluzmann57]

3. Where are all these people who are hot and heavy for war with Iran?

I haven't met many around here. Maybe in your region there are people like that, but not here. Most people I've talked to about this issue want it solved diplomatically.

[Speck Tater]

4. Not just Americans -- Humans in general are a flawed species (nt)

[Eric J in MN]

5. Please tell your Senators,

no war with Iran.

Bombing Iran would probably start a war.

http://contactcongress.blogspot.com/

[Sinti]

14. Bombing Iran would *probably* start a war.

Technically, isn't that *starting* a war? It may also be finishing it, but bombing I always thought bombing defined modern war.

[Eric J in MN]

16. When Israel bombed the Iraqi nuclear power plant, it didn't cause

a war.

But according to Seymour Hersh, the Bush Administration figures that if it bombs Iraq at all, it should bomb 400 targets, which would mean war.

[Poppyseedman]

6. Yes, Americans are stupid.

And by the way, vote for our guy. :woohoo:

A winning message if you ask me.:banghead:

What makes you think Americans are all hot and horny for war with Iran? I don't read that at all.

[leftofthedial]

7. 5% of Americans are venal sociopaths

about a quarter are idiot inbred offspring of the rejects of the rest of the world who found refuge here in Murka.

about a third are so apathetic that you couldn't motivate them with anything this side of a cattle prod to the genitals.

So. 30% are hopeless. 33% aren't playing. If the criminal fascist traitors can use their control of the media, fear, and their multi-generational erosion of the American public educational system to lead an additional 4% astray, they win. In case that fails, they can also use their ownership of the voting apparatus and their ability to distort the electoral process.

[kineneb]

8. and there is the percentage

of nutty cranks/anarchists who just didn't fit in back home in the Old Country. Them's my ancestors!

Hmmm, stay around and get drafted into the Prussian Army or go to America...guess I will pack my bags (G.G. grandpa).

[Viva_La_Revolution]

10. Hey! my GG Grandpa too!

He went to Holland first, found himself a lovely wife, then made his way here with GG Gramma and the kids. :)

[CanuckAmok]

9. Because war is a part of American Ideology.

Manifest Destiny made global.

Every single administration since Eisenhower has been involved in one war or another, and that's not including the hundreds of covert actions either performed by or funded by the Cult of Intelligence.


You can't blame Joe Sixpack for rallying for war; he's been duped.**

Read USMC General Smedley Butler's short book, "War is a Racket", published on-line, here:

Butler: "At each session of Congress the question of further naval appropriations comes up. The swivel-chair admirals of Washington (and there are always a lot of them) are very adroit lobbyists. And they are smart. They don't shout that "We need a lot of battleships to war on this nation or that nation." Oh no. First of all, they let it be known that America is menaced by a great naval power. Almost any day, these admirals will tell you, the great fleet of this supposed enemy will strike suddenly and annihilate 125,000,000 people. Just like that. Then they begin to cry for a larger navy. For what? To fight the enemy? Oh my, no. Oh, no. For defense purposes only.

Then, incidentally, they announce maneuvers in the Pacific. For defense. Uh, huh.

The Pacific is a great big ocean. We have a tremendous coastline on the Pacific. Will the maneuvers be off the coast, two or three hundred miles? Oh, no. The maneuvers will be two thousand, yes, perhaps even thirty-five hundred miles, off the coast.

The Japanese, a proud people, of course will be pleased beyond expression to see the united States fleet so close to Nippon's shores. Even as pleased as would be the residents of California were they to dimly discern through the morning mist, the Japanese fleet playing at war games off Los Angeles.

The ships of our navy, it can be seen, should be specifically limited, by law, to within 200 miles of our coastline. Had that been the law in 1898 the Maine would never have gone to Havana Harbor. She never would have been blown up. There would have been no war with Spain with its attendant loss of life. Two hundred miles is ample, in the opinion of experts, for defense purposes. Our nation cannot start an offensive war if its ships can't go further than 200 miles from the coastline. Planes might be permitted to go as far as 500 miles from the coast for purposes of reconnaissance. And the army should never leave the territorial limits of our nation."


Then read Howard Zinn's "People's History of the United States".

War is ingrained in the American psyche, from the time each American memorizes the Pledge of Allegence or sings the Star Spangled Banner.


**I'm not intending to offend my Southern Neighbours... I doubt anyone reading this post qualifies as a duped Joe Sixpack.

[AndyTiedye]

11. We DO Learn. That's Why They Have to Steal Move Votes Every Year to "Win"

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. "All politics is local." When it's my kid or my wallet than I learn.

Waiting for the American people to learn is like waiting for an honest politician to "lead" us.

When enough kids come home in caskets, and the average guy has to reach for his wallet to pay for the war..it will end.

[stillcool]

13. "The loud little handful will shout for war.....

.... The pulpit will warily and cautiously protest at first.... The great mass of the nation will rub its sleepy eyes, and will try to make out why there should be a war, and they will say earnestly and indignantly: "It is unjust and dishonorable and there is no need for war.
Then the few will shout even louder.... Before long you will see a curious thing: anti-war speakers will be stoned from the platform, and free speech will be strangled by hordes of furious men who still agree with the speakers but dare not admit it...
Next, the statesmen will invent cheap lies...and each man will be glad of these lies and will study them because they soothe his conscience; and thus he will bye and bye convince himself that the war is just and he will thank God for a better sleep he enjoys by his self-deception.”
– Mark Twain – observing how wars that are at first seen as unnecessary by the mass of the people become converted into "just" wars

Few of us can easily surrender our belief that society must somehow make sense. The thought that the state has lost its mind and is punishing so many innocent people is intolerable. And so the evidence has to be internally denied.”– Arthur Miller, playwright

"The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting." Milan Kundera

[Sinti]

15. It has taken generations, perhaps even centuries of inculcation

to make regular humans this way. It's a tight leash people are kept on, the threat of the enemy, but any enemy will do. If you don't support the fight, you're a coward, a sympathizer, or worse an outcast. So people who have no interest, and nothing to gain by slaughtering their fellow man, happily do so for their wealthy masters, because the master held up the "enemy" stick. Fear of the unknown possible beating is worse than the known beating you're certain to receive.

I truly believe it was take a war that touches never every human on this planet, a war so horrible that it nearly kills us all, and we all are forced to see it in person, before the Pavlovian trance is broken, and we say NO MORE, I will not kill and die for you.