Countdown: Special Comment on Hillary Clinton Remark - PT. 2 (May 23)

[Hissyspit]

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MSNBC Countdown with KEITH OLBERMANN: Keith's Special Comment on Hillary's assassination remark - Part 2. May 23, 2008.

PART 1 Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x136834

[defendandprotect]

1. KO said it all . . . This is he final straw ---

[Miss Authoritiva]

21. Huffing and puffing

KO says nothing. Since the primaries began, Olbermann has been huffing and puffing and blowing it out his ass. Sorry, I know there are a lot of Olbermann fans out there, but this guy has started to believe his own press clippings. This Special Comment is way out of line.

[Divernan]

24. His commentary was chock full of valid, factual points - YOU otoh make no valid rebuttal.

[defendandprotect]

40. In fact, there was much that he said which we needed to be reminded of ---

[Veracious]

27. Whats out of line: Hillary supporters who continue to tolerate her immoral win at all cost campaign

I notice this post above cited no rational basis for why KO's comment was "Out of Line".

[DaLittle Kitty]

37. Certainly Because There IS NO Rationale 4 Their Continued Support, After This "GAFFE of The Century"

Go Hillary back where you came from... I can only feel sorry for her now. Any good that she may have accomplished throughout her campaign will now and forever be overshadowed by this poor but "calculated" set of words. :freak:

[Miss Authoritiva]

39. I am a supporter of good journalism.

I am not a Hillary Clinton supporter.

I did not vote for Hillary Clinton in my state's primary; I voted for Dennis Kucinich.

I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee for president, and I will not be holding my nose.

I am a supporter of solid journalism and respectful, meaningful op/ed commentary.

This "Special Comment" is neither. It is both self-indulgent and purposefully manipulative.

If people need this kind of manipulative media crap to convince themselves of their political choices, then perhaps the American republic truly has seen better days.

If people think this kind of manipulative media crap, used today against Hillary Clinton, can't and won't be used against Barack Obama tomorrow, then they are being dangerously naive.

[Jakes Progress]

74. Run for the hills.

You have committed heresy in the Land.

KO is just a flip of Billy O. Bombast and selected media bits to pump up the ratings. His decision to use Murrow's sign-off is the first indication of his enormous ego and inflated self-opinion. Just like those who come on DU and say "Rec this if you hate Hillary - Boo Yah" he gets his artificially inseminated chops by pimping Obama and slamming Clinton. If you want the ratings, it is a no brainer - either go for the mindless right or the fawning left.

Good journalism is still practiced in its finest form, but not on the media parade that pairs O'Reilly and Olberman as a sort of bi-channel WWF of the networks. Ratings count. Honesty and thorough research don't. Journalism if a noble profession - it just doesn't pay the big bucks.

[L0oniX]

85. What ever. Geeze ...it was a KO "commentary" not the whole show.

[PerpetuallyDazed]

75. He listed the litany of her "scandals"

reminding us of WHEN assassinations have happened in this country and of Clinton's prior allusions of the Kennedy assassination as one of her many excuses to stay in the race. How is that not important for people to know? I had no idea before seeing this she had said similar things before.

On edit: his tone IS scathing and critical, and perhaps that is what is taking away from his content for you?

[JamesA1102]

76. I have to agree

I like Keith and voted for Obama but Keith is way over the top here. He took every little campaign misstep and spun it in the most negative way possible. Keith and his network (MSNBC) has been notoriously anti-Clinton during this campaign from Russert's & William's shameful debate performance last October, Tweety Matthews being forced to apologize for sexist statements, David Schuster's "pimped out" remark to last night's performance by Keith.

[PerpetuallyDazed]

78. "little campaign misstep" ?

You think those are little? The best yard stick of that would be to compare them to the Obama campaign's "missteps"... you do that and get back to me.

[JamesA1102]

104. You mean like the bitter comments

which the media also blew way out of proportion. I'm not saying that Obama hasn't run a much better campaign with few mistakes. He has. But Keith was spinning all of Clinton's mistakes as negatively as possible. Compare that to treatment the media has given John McCain.

[PerpetuallyDazed]

126. That's one thing

but he's run a much better campaign. Has he been caught in any lies like Clinton has? Anyone looking at this objectively can see that her "missteps" stack up higher than Obama's. McCain will usually get a pass--he's a Republican. The media sets different standards for Democrats. Very typical.

[IsItJustMe]

107. I could not disagree with you more. His comments were consice, to the point, well documented and

honest.

[JamesA1102]

119. They are if you accept only the most negative spin on each point. NT

[L0oniX]

84. No one is asking you to watch KO so go back to watching FOX.

[eagertolearn]

93. If KO left out the extreme anger it would have come across better..

otherwise what he is saying is right on!

[xioaping]

102. Hello! Opinion is supposed to be manipulative. The problem you

have with it is that you don't like what was said. You can not by definition call it bad journalism. It was properly labled opinion.

Try and shake an excuse for Clinton somewhere else and your "I voted for Dennis Kucinich" is no justification of your position defending Clinton. Why didn't you just say, some of my best friends are Clinton supporters?

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

110. How dare you

insinuate that Hillary's use of ASSASSINATION as a political tool is media "crap."

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

109. Facts have been "out of line" since Day One - Didn't you know?

Just give Camp Clinton more time, please.

The deafening silence yesterday was so noticeable. They didn't have their talking points yet.

The "Ready on Day One" team is still polling to figure out which spin will best bury her latest comments.

After the long weekend they will be able to coordinate their spin and we won't have so many one-line posts.

[defendandprotect]

41. Olbermann said what was needed to be said -- and nothing more . . .

It's an astonishing situation --- HRC has been riding this out hoping that something would happen
with Obama --

HRC has stayed too long at the party and she has been an abusive and disorderly guest ---
confused by her sense of entitlement ---

HRC has overstayed her welcome ---

And -- again -- Olbermann has reminded us of the many other outrageous incidents in her campaign.
They were justly recited --- justly and fairly ---

[liberaltrucker]

48. Blow it put YOUR ass, my friend

You are entitled to your opinion, per the 1st Amendment.

But, you are NOT entitled to your own truth. Truth is
absolute. 2+2=4, NOT 5.

[Phred42]

70. KO Nails another one. Those who remain CLinton Supporters have the same

Mindset as the people that are still following Bush and the Republicans over the cliff.

These are the people that some how in their twisted little minds say they will vote fro McSame rather than Obama. Apparently they find that Hillary's positions are closer to McSames's than to Obamas? OR they are sucidal enough to once again vote against their own best interests just to 'punish' .....themselves? :shrug:

[OnyxCollie]

123. They are called authoritarians. nt

[Phred42]

129. As Described by John Dean - Agree. Even Dems have that problem

They are more usually called DLC or Blue Dogs

[OnyxCollie]

130. Here's where Dean got his information.

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

[Phred42]

131. Tx - good one!

[rosesaylavee]

81. On the contrary

I think this Special Comment is almost as good as his initial one on Rumsfeld.

Are you sure you listened to it all the way thru? I can understand as a supporter of Senator Clinton that this cannot be an easy thing to get past.

[Yael]

90. Yeah, it must have been painful to sit through the laundry list again

[DiverDave]

94. Huh?, did you even SEE it?

or are you another operation chaos plant?
hrc is a ghoul for saying this, and to try and defend it you are worse...shame on you, SHAME on you and HER...

'Hanging around just to see if Barack gets shot' just SICKENING!

Fuck hillary and FUCK YOU for trying to defend the indefensible.

[butterfly77]

100. It was just right...

and he could have added more..

[xioaping]

101. Oberman is not the issue. How about addressing it.

Your view on Clinton's give reason for staying in the race.

[Doun]

69. Robert Kennedy was assassinated after 13 Primaries

That race bares no resemblance to the current race for the nomination!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1968#Primaries

At the moment of RFK's death, the delegate totals were:

Hubert Humphrey 561
Robert F. Kennedy 393
Eugene McCarthy 258


Primaries

Only 13 states held a primary at this time (California, Oregon, Nebraska, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Florida).

[Ichingcarpenter]

2. Keith nails and verbalizes my outrage... kick nominated

Hillary you suck but you can't even satisfy Bill

[Rosa Luxemburg]

3. He speaks how much of us feel

I had a email from my friends in Australia earlier and they were appalled at Hillary's comments! I think people around the world must be worried about what the USA is coming to!

[Muttocracy]

32. it's on the front page of the BBC news... nt

[ramapo]

4. Nailed it

Thank you Keith...I couldn't have said it any better (or louder)

[williesgirl]

5. He sure said what I'm feeling, minus my swear words. rec'd

[Carolina]

28. exactly, he was eloquent while

I have been cussing all afternoon. Shrillary is truly despicable!

[defendandprotect]

42. Yes...his final comments were "eloquent" . . . I agree --- but overall

there is so much --- so very much -- that should have been said for so long that I think he is
accurately reflecting the mood of the nation --

and what he said about HRC is precisely how I feel ---

[LibraLiz1973]

6. Pathetic. He calls himself a journalist?

When he is railing against Bill O'Reilly for playing fast and loose with the truth, he might want to be looking in a mirror.

[Javaman]

8. So you are okay with hillary bringing up assassination??????

I'm blocking you only because of your bizarre reply.

[LibraLiz1973]

9. I could care less if you block me. Have at it. But yes, I am fine with what she said

because she wasn't talking about assassination, she was talking about PRIMARY season going to JUNE.
Keith Olbermann and the rest of you Hillary haters can twist her words however you want, but, I am able
to understand what she said. She was trying to make a point, and in so doing used a reference to a political point in time that she assumed most people would be able to understand. Like, OH YEAH- primaries REALLY DID used to go to June.

Unlike you and the Faux Edward R. Murrow over there at MSNBC, I don't need to add on to it and extrapolate it out to the craziest end possible.

You all look like fools.

If all Obama supporters are like (most of) the people on DU, he will NEVER win.

[Beregond2]

12. If she wasn't talking about assasination,

why has she brought it up, over and over? There was no need. Even her point about the primary season being no longer than ever is false. How anyone can defend this is incomprehensible.

[LibraLiz1973]

14. I'll give you that her staying in is pointless.

But making a mountain out of a molehill is pretty f'n dumb too.

She wasn't saying he was going to be killed. People turning it in to that are pathetic.
Including Keith Olbermann. He should be thrown off the air for the performance piece he acted out tonight.
It was beyond pathetic.

[Divernan]

30. She has repeatedly referred to assasination in this campaign -

and the many national and international journalists/pundits commenting on her pattern of referring to the RFK assasination have all agreed with Olberman. I particularly appreciated the comments on BBC America trashing HRC tonight.

You claim, "She wasn't saying he was going to be killed". But of course, that was precisely the example she gave of her oft claimed "something could happen". Olberman did an excellent job of pointing out the fallacy of her excuse for staying in.

I know the Clintons have cleaned up to the tune of millions since leaving the White House - but if she has no appreciation of the value of the $30 million debt with which she has saddled her campaign since it was clear she would lose - if she has no appreciation of that amount, as well as the millions Obama has had to spend in continuing the primary contest - then she is abysmally out of touch with fiscal responsibility. On the other hand, if she so strongly hopes/believes he will be assasinated, then in your & her twisted way of thinking, she can justify squandering that huge amount of capital.

Go take an abnormal psychology course, and the impact her words could have on some twisted mind, and learn why it is verboten for anyone to "jokingly" call for the assasination of anyone.

Starting with her psychologically abused childhood at the hands of her perfectionist, martinet father, and watching her mother accept ridicule and verbal abuse from her father, continuing on into her charade of a marriage to a compulsive womanizer, HRC has become a coldly furious person, who is heartless to anyone who is not furthering her own goals. As many say of the Clintons: "They're always there when they need you."

[Johnny Noshoes]

66. Do we really...

Thanks for making those points about her psychology. Do we really need another psychologically damaged person in the White House? We have endured nearly eight years of the Greek melodrama that is the Bush family dysfunction. America doesn't need another person working out their family dysfunction and personal psycho drama while trying to run a country.

[Lerrad]

35. That is correct, but she was saying that he...

... might be killed, and she was using it as an excuse to stay in the race.

She used it as an excuses because she knows there is no other way for her to win.

And just what did Keith say about Hillary that was not true?

[DiverDave]

96. In this climate you have a problem with

someone saying what millions fear?

Obama IS in danger, simply for being a black man who dares to run for president.
And with all the crazy racists with guns out there, you have a PROBLEM???

Just bizarre, you claim to vote for kucinich but I think your a plant...so, as someone up thread put it...blow it out your ass, go back to FR.

[LiberalLovinLug]

117. Like calling fire in a theater

That's the PROBLEM!

You do not raise the specter of ASSASSINATION during a political campaign, and expecially you do not relate a tragedy like the Kennedy assassination to the present day where there is a similar scenario.

The reason is you are fueling racist whackos by keeping that thought in the public mind and perhaps triggering some idiot to try it. Also using it to suggest that Obama is too controversial/black/liberal to NOT be assassinated, so the safe bet is voting for ME!

Either way it is appallingly disgusting on her part. And that she repeated it in some way three times no one can give her a 'I'm so tired' pass on this one.

[defendandprotect]

44. HRC was talking about sitting around hoping that she'd get the consolation prize . . .

rather, she's getting the prize she deserves --- ridicule, shock and outrage at her comments!

[KSinTX]

52. Here's what has people upset

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/02/20/racist-attacks-on-obama-growing-more-heated/

And if this makes me look foolish, then so be it. Please check out the site Stormfront.org to see why I am frightened. Why such speech cannot be tolerated. Why the secret service is concerned. Why this particular dog whistle is not acceptable.

[Asgaya Dihi]

54. Making a point?

What point exactly was she making? That the primary hasn't been too long? I hate to break it to her but although primaries have gone until June they used to start in MARCH, this one started in January. For fair comparison it's more akin to older primaries running through August. Yeah, this has been a damned long primary. Ignoring the fact that we started two months sooner than what she compares it to doesn't leave anyone but her twisting the truth. She's drawing a dishonest comparison on the face of it and too many people pretend it's ok and back her in it.

Then to bring assassination into it, to follow that with a fake "I'm sorry if it offended you" rather than sorry she said it fake apology, she no longer has even the shreds of her dignity to cling to anymore. The ends don't justify the means and that's why she's already lost. In more ways then she or her supporters realize yet. The Clinton brand has taken real damage in this campaign and it's won't recover soon if at all, the damage such as today and the Bosnia bit as well as her handling of the Wright and Ayers issues being mostly self inflicted. Nobody did this to her but her, and those of her followers who enabled her instead of telling her to stop or change course before the damage got too bad.

[Divine Discontent]

55. also with others - welcome to ignore - this is a good night of cleansing folks out who back her hate

nuff said

[L0oniX]

86. Why are you talking to ignored?

:evilgrin:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

68. But the point is that she didn't always bring up the assassination

when she made remarks to various reporters in regards to staying on in the campaign. Olberman gave examples where she mentioned Kennedy's success in the California primary without using the "a" word. So why did she have to use it in this instance? IMHO, it actually hurt her because it distracted from her point, which was that, historically, nominations have often not been decided until the summer. If she had not used the word "assassination", we wouldn't be having this discussion, I feel.

BTW, I don't support Clinton OR Obama. Kucinich is my man. But I will support whoever wins the Democratic nomination.

[BREMPRO]

79. anyone who lived through the RFK assassination knows....

that KO's comments were spot on. She referenced the '68 June primary, but in reality, there were only 13 primaries completed by the time JFK was shot in June. There is NO REASONABLE COMPARISON with the current race schedule, UNLESS she was suggesting that there is still the possibility, however remote, that Obama could be assassinated. ITS CLEAR what she meant. IT'S DISGRACEFUL,UNFORGIVABLE,TWISTED- especially in the context of the real death threats, and fears for Obama's safety.

Anyone who knows the history of the liberal/progressive movement knows that the RFK assassination was the beginning the end of this country as we know it. It was the beginning of the corporate takeover, the backsliding of our rights, the trickle up of capital-give to the rich, take from the poor, extension of american imperialism and international economic tyranny, the conservative shift of the supreme court, the Nixon, Reagan, Bush disasters.

The hope Obama embodies is similar to the feeling of RFK's campaign. If you lived through the assassination, and suffered through Nixon,Reagan,Bush as i did, YOU FEEL THE WEIGHT OF HISTORY bearing down and the hope embodied in Obama's movement to take back the country, and the palpable fears that it could be taken away from us again. In this context, KO is right to state that a person who could suggest assassination as a reason for staying in a race, has no business being president.

I predict an avalanche of delegate defections.

[Grateful for Hope]

95. "I predict an avalanche of delegate defections."

I think you are right.

[xioaping]

103. I'm not blocking you

But I still think Clinton should quit the race over that comment. It was over the top and if she thinks she can shake it she is delusional.

[John K]

112. Invoking the assassination was not necessary to make the point

If you wanted to say that there was still a competitive race in June that is what you would say. Why do you have to mention the only candidate who was killed in 1968. HRC is slowly sinking into greater irrelevance and KO makes his point with passion and eloquence. I much prefer that to the "anything goes and it doesn't surprise us" attitude of the rest of talking heads.

[Supersedeas]

36. wonder if the Media will get the blame for her saying it---so many excuses and apologists

[Carolina]

29. you Shilbots just can't handle the truth

your blind loyalty seems very familiar, ummmm very similar to BUSHBOTS!

[defendandprotect]

45. "Bushbots" . . . not that's really a dirty word . . . !!!

[eagertolearn]

38. When you really listen to what he is saying......

it is the truth. Im trying to figure out how HC supporters are still with her after all that she has said and insuinuated. Try coming up with a list like that for Obama. Talking about the RFK's assassination is a very low blow. Add one more to her list of why she has not won this election.

[Miss Authoritiva]

43. Absolutely agree.

[L0oniX]

87. So I guess you have made yourself superior to the vast majority here who agree with KO.

I hope that makes you feel comfortable with all the new friends your are making. My ignore list is full of asscarrots like you of which 20 have already received the granite cookie. Enjoy your short and isolated stay here.

[IsItJustMe]

108. Maybe you need to look in the mirror my friend.

[DB1]

7. Wow, KO is as pissed as any real feeling American.

[lob1]

10. As Keith said, this isn't the first time she said this.

So she wasn't just tired, nor was she thinking about Ted Kennedy when she first said this March 6. Clinton crap.

[RBInMaine]

11. KO is a journalist and a COMMENTATOR. GOOD to have a few liberal commentators. SPOT-ON HERE KO !!

[graywarrior]

13. The list of forgivenesses...man, he articulated what I could not.

[hisownpetard]

16. He didn't miss a thing. What a treasure he is!

[hisownpetard]

15. K&R. Keith said it all - every single thing that's been running through my head since

this afternoon, when I first heard her remarks.

And her "apology"? Worthless. She didn't even have the decency to mention Obama in her non-apologetic "if"-based
remark.

As someone said tonight on Countdown (not Keith but can't remember who), Hillary Clinton seems constitutionally unable to ever issue a "mea culpa. "
She cannot say she's sorry, she cannot ever say she was wrong.

Now everyone else can say it for her.

She's done.

[tabatha]

91. Yes, particulalry the Iraq war.

There will never be an apology for that.

[Catch22Dem]

17. Holy Shit! That's why he's the best! nt

[muryan]

18. Just when you think you can like him anymore

he just keeps it coming

[Name removed]

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[calmblueocean]

25. Just curious

If the tables were turned, and someone put up an Obama poster with the word 'nigger' under it in all capital letters, how would that make you feel? What would you think about the person posting that?

Obviously, you're free to do whatever you want, but I bet you can find a smarter way to express yourself than that.

Just this Obama supporter's opinion.

[Carolina]

31. EXCELLENT!

[Narkos]

20. Ouch.......I think that seals the deal. She's gone

[Jack Rabbit]

23. The deal was sealed hours before air time

She's history.

[Jack Rabbit]

22. There is little more to say.

When doe she throw in the towel?

[blue neen]

26. This is Keith's all-time best.

How dare she dig at our nation's collective wound over Bobby Kennedy's assassination. This country has never gotten over it. God, how I loved him.

Hillary Clinton is no longer fit to hold RFK's Senate seat.

[Lerrad]

33. Oh Yea! Keith Rocks!

Thank you Hissyspit for posting that, I missed Keith tonight.
That had to be one of Keith's best yet.

[shellgame26]

34. This might explain

why she's pouring so much of her own money into the black hole that is her campaign.

[L0oniX]

88. Maybe she will hire a hit man for that -hoped for- assassination.

[anitar1]

46. Well said. Keith. I have already thought that she would

come up with something like this. Absolutely filthy. I can never vote for this person. Never.

[mcollier]

51. The line has been drawn in the sand

Now let that crazy Clinton sit out in the desert and burn... She must be hanging around Limbaugh too much..

[TornadoTN]

60. I can't wait to see how mad Bill is going to be about this

He'll get on the Today Show or some other news outlet and come to tears, bite his lip, and say "Hillary didn't mean it! She'll make a fine President"

Too late. I'm glad the rest of the country can see the Clinton's for what they truly stand for now.

[ObamaKerryDem]

47. Once again, KO has hit the nail on the head! K&R!

Just when I thought I couldn't be any more dissapointed in and disgusted with Hillary and her campaign, she pulls THIS. Unbelievable. Once again, KO has articulated (beautifully, may I add) how I and so many others feel.

She needs to go. Like NOW..

[AFSCME girl]

49. This was a great commentary by Olbermann!

Thanks for posting, Hissyspit! I was out tonight and missed Countdown. :hi:

[Zachstar]

50. AMEN!!!! KO!!

[liberaltrucker]

53. Goddamn you Hillary

And I mean that in the Rev Wright context...

As in God CONDEMN you!

Damn, I'm pissed at my Party.



:argh:

[Divine Discontent]

56. Thanks Hissyspit and a special comment ---

Hillary's campaign is OVER.

OVER... whether she has accepted it or not.


She just got eviscerated on television - she has repeatedly brought up the horrible reference of 'who knows, I might get it if he gets offed', in so many words - glad it's on video to prove it.

She's DONE>>>>>> THANK GOD.


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[evilkumquat]

57. I'm Confused. Seriously. No Sarcasm Here.

I voted for Obama in a state that went to Clinton.

I don't hate Clinton, despite her actions in the past several months (specifically, after she realized her lock on the candidacy was no longer a sure thing). Hell, my mother and sister even shook hands with her husband at a rally held in my town just before the primary.

I haven't and won't refer to her in a derogatory manner (i.e., "Shrillary", "Bitch", etc.) because I don't like that childishness when directed at the GOP, so I certainly hate it when directed at one of our own.

But this new one of hers has me confused.

I read what she said and I really don't hear anything that makes me think she's advocating Obama's murder, or even hoping for it.

Is is the fact she used the word "assassination" in a political speech that has her in such hot water? I mean, from a purely unemotional, Spock-like manner, what she said was absolutely factually correct. Bill Clinton's campaign ran into June, as well as RFK's, though the latter ended with murder.

Are some people just having a knee-jerk reaction to that word, and just being overly sensitive?

Or do I just not get it?

Please be kind. I seriously do not get it.

[TornadoTN]

59. No snark here, but here are a few reasons why

1. The comparisons between 1992 and 1968 are flawed on their face. In 92, Clinton was the de-facto nominee by March when Tsongas dropped out, leaving only Jerry Browne on the ticket against Bill. In 68, primaries were more window dressing than anything of substance - the nominee was chosen at the convention. Only 13 states held primaries and the campaign started much, much later than now. June campaigning was normal then, not so much today.

2. This is the first time she's brought up "assassination" on the campaign trail. She's flirted with it and suggested it in context of Senator Obama. Why use this as a campaign tool? It doesn't make sense to use it because it shouldn't dissuade voters from voting for their candidate in the first place.

3. Increasing racial hostility from her campaign only seek to throw fuel on a fire that unfortunately still burns in this country.

4. She is essentially statistically finished. There are some wild scenarios that could show her with a victory, but the majority of arithmeticians and analysts say that the window for her to have had any chance has long since passed. The basic math says - why continue on this way?

[Nevernose]

61. I agree with you

I certainly don't think she was calling for anyone's murder, and I've always respected her.

What gets me about her statement come from the very end of the total 9 minute KO rant. Paraphrased: "It was crass, low, unfeeling, and brutal. This nation's most enduring shame and deepest horror is political assassination. Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, JFK, and Robert Kennedy. And, but for the grace of the universe or the luck of the draw, Reagan, Ford, Nixon, Truman, Andrew Jackson, both Roosevelts, and even George Wallace."

Invoking that imagery, as KO put it, is just wrong. It would be different if she were the guy down the street blogging or a grad student writing an essay, but for a presidential candidate? At the very least it was a stupid, stupid mistake. According to the Washington Post, "... In a campaign where Obama's safety has been a subtext and in which critics have blamed Clinton for exacerbating racial tensions, her words added a new element of tension to the Democratic contest. Obama began receiving Secret Service protection about 18 months before the general election because homeland security officials were concerned about potential threats against him."

And Ms. Clinton didn't even apologize for it. "...I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation..." You can only apologize for doing something, not for the way others may or may not feel (of course, this last may just be my frustration in general w/ politico-speak).

[jwlashta]

77. I agree

In all honesty, when I first heard the comments, I never took it as a Freudian slip hoping that Obama would be targeted by some deranged gunman. I took the comment at face value. With the media playing the comments up, I can see how her comments could be misconstrued; however, I cannot believe for one second that her comments meant what the media and many others have implied.

On the otherhand, Olbermann is right--she never actually apologized. That is what's bothering me more than anything.

[knitter4democracy]

82. It's that Obama's already had many death threats.

Powerful black men get them all the time. Look at history--Malcolm X and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. were both assassinated, and it wasn't that long ago. Bringing up the idea of the Dem front-runner getting murdered is obviously a side reference to Obama, the Dem front leader.

Bobby was the Dem front leader in a race that went into June, and he was murdered. Obama's the front leader in a race that's going into June, and . . . See where this is going? That's why people are upset, and I think we have the right to be furious about that. Just referencing murder of the Dem front leader is bad enough, but given the history behind it (1968 and the murders of Bobby and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr so close together), she went beyond the pale.

[opihimoimoi]

58. #63 K&R

[Grinchie]

62. I wish Keith said all of the reasons Hillary has made herself unelectable at the beginning

And then repeated them about ten times to get it through the thick skulls of the Hillary supporters that their cash cow has just tipped over, and can't get up.

Nevertheless, I am in general agreement with what he said.

The only supporters that Hillary has at this point are her DLC/Blue Dog friends. The Corporate elite in the Military Industrial Complex, Giant Agribusisness and Pharma, and the pigs in the Healthcare industry. The supporters that rant in here are most likely Paid for their Troll services, and the reason it has dminished is because the money has dried up. Then there are the helpful operation KKKhaos Krew, but even that is lackluster, since McSame has loser tattooed on his forehead.

Hillary thought that she'd make history by being the Baddest Woman in Politics, but she ultimately turned out to be a Bad Woman Politician.

Time to move on and ignore this bad chapter in History. Out with the DLC and Hillary! In with outrage at the stupidity of Bad Politics.

At this point, I see no difference in Hillary from that of *.

[CubicleGuy]

63. Nobody expected Bill Clinton to be the nominee way back when...

... but he ended up winning the nomination as the last guy left standing. Hillary is hoping for the same outcome.

[tabatha]

92. He had it tied up by March.

[FOS]

64. It's sad that she made those comments but....

what I find more disturbing is the crazy defense and explaining away of said comments by her supporters , as if this is being blown out of proportion. Because , it's not. There is no room for using the word "assassination" like this at all in this campaign.

[raystorm7]

65. Agreed. Remember Rev. Wright and Bitter? Wheres MSM outrage towards HRC and McCain? Double standard?

[BayjanDem]

67. V.P?

And Obama is supposed to ask Hillary to be his Vice President. Because he can't win without her. Yeah, right. Hillary has burned bridges and sprinkled the ashes. Let's applaud her supporters for defending her NO MATTER WHAT she says or does, HILLARYOUS. KO is on point, yet again.

[baldguy]

71. k&r

[Dystopian]

72. Thank you Keith! Thank you Hissyspit! k&r

I don't have MSNBC, so I get it all here.
I don't watch TV...when I first saw the 3 a.m. ad, it was on the internet.
I thought it was a parody of her campaign tactics.
She's scary....akin to *
.......obliterate Iran :scared:
And now this....



peace~

[jwlashta]

73. You can't spell assassin

Without a couple of ass(es). I think Hillary has gone far beyond being just a single ass... It's the over-inflated ego where she thinks she can do and say what she wants because she "has the popular vote when you count Michigan and Florida."

Funny thing is, she is killing herself with comments like these (regardless of the intended meaning).

I used to support the idea of Clinton as a running mate, but that support is long gone.

[odelisk8]

80. hey

let's celebrate...she just blew it....completely...no coming back from this one...it's quite simple really, if Mrs. Clinton didn't know that by saying such a thing millions of voters would be horrified, then quite simply, she's too STUPID to be president...i think we've all had enough of stupid to last a good long while...

now we just have to get her sorry ass out of the senate.

[ikojo]

83. AMEN Brother Olbermann!!!

Hillary has proven time and again that a Hillary administration would be George W Bush 2.5


Being a Clinton means never having to say you're wrong or sorry.

Not much different than what we have in the White House now.

[Dead Elephant]

89. Democrats need to come together now!!!

Stop the Drama!
Vote Obama!

http://www.myspace.com/deadelephantclothing

[bluereality]

97. Countdown has surpassed O'reilly in viewership

[peacetalksforall]

98. I think this rant by Olberman can be used for decades as a statement of

heartfelt feelings. Whether it starts with the memory of the third K assassination within five years in the 60's and extends to a total point of disgust in 2008 - you gotta give it to him for guts. How many people can get up front of the camera knowing the proram is going out all over the world and say things as pointedly and as emotionally as he did? Other speak as milquetoast and in a drone.

In a way - what he did was a healing gesture in a way. I have found myself not even thinking about what she did in hopes that it would go away. I've been keeping it in. I'm glad he let it out for me.

I am the person who rants endlessly about GE and tells everyone not to trust GE/the NBCs and be cautious about Olberman, because his entire hour does include typical propaganda when his guest speakers appear. But, what we see coming from him is personal even though it places us all in a conflicted postion - that he is paid by the NBCs/GE - a war mongering/war supporting/war profting/whitehouse and pentagon complicit consortium of vertical and horizontal corporations.

I'm afraid that he said what we want to say, probably said it better, and with much more effect. Someone had to be that blunt. I'm glad for all the Olberman fans that it was him.

She and Pres Clinton have really messed up.

[lilyannerose]

99. Thank you

Keith for expressing the outrage of so many!

Will these foolish superdelegates just please stand up and end this bloody campaign one way or the fracking other?

[rodrigo2xxx]

105. Smart candidates don't invoke the possibility of their opponents being killed. This seems so obvious

Smart candidates don't invoke the possibility of their opponents being killed. This seems so obvious it shouldn't need to be said, but apparently, it needs to be said.

SMART candidates .... SHE CAN'T BE A VP. SHE CAN'T BE ANYTHING NOW. SHE MUST GO AWAY, DISAPPEAR.

[erpowers]

106. Bad on Keith Olbermann

I am a fan of Olbermann, but he went over the top on this one. If taken in the proper context Clinton's comments make perfect sense. In addition, Olbermann added his own meaning (Something might happen to Obama) to the comments. Clinton was only pointing out that in the past Democratic nominating processes had gone on until the convention. That is a perfectly legitimate point.

[EFerrari]

111. Bullshit. And welcome to ignore. n/t

[JoePhilly]

113. As an Obama supporter I agree with you ... Keith was over the top on this one ...

And for my fellow Obama supporters ...

Some of you are starting to stagger directly into the SILLY SEASON that Obama speaks out against.

Did we not have enough of Fox News playing Obama's "bitter" comment??

How about Michelle's "never proud" comment??

We recognize the hype around those comments for what they were ... attempts to smear some one using a tiny fragment, while ignoring the clear meaning of what they were trying to say in total.

Hillary is trying to argue that June isn't all that late ... her argument is WEAK no matter which example she uses ... even if you ignore the word "assassination".

So, focus on her weak argument. Not on one poorly chosen word.

[John K]

114. So why did she have to bring up assassination?

If you want to make a point, you make a clean point. This is another case of saying something and meaning something else - "as far as I know." Its called telegraphing - nudge nudge wink wink. Except in this case its alluding to the death of your Democratic opponent. She jumped the shark for me on this and foreclosed any possibility that she could be considered a VP candidate with Obama. As they say - She is dead to us now.

[Barb in Atl]

115. Side note:

Why is it that no one ever reaches the logical conclusion in the discussion of how Democratic nominating processes go on until the convention? Why doesn't anyone say that when there's a convention fight, the Democrats lose?

This, alone, should have been enough for the SD's to pull the plug and support the candidate with the lead in pledged delegates. This should have been reason enough to have averted an unelectable Democratic candidate by supporting the one that ran the best campaign, won by all the various matrices thrown up and didn't try to split the party.

While I respect KO a great deal, his emotional delivery was a bit much for me, too. But I'm an aloof CT yankee and lean toward the dry. Doesn't distract from the message for me, though.

[lakercub]

118. Taken in the context she meant them

they most certainly do not make perfect sense. Yes Bill went to June before he was the nominee, but he had it won well before that as Tsongas was gone. And in '68 there were only 13 primaries and the delegate was chosen at the convention, which is nothing like how it is done today. So if she just meant that June is to early too give up for historical reasons, then she needs a history lesson.

I also do not think she is advocating assassination, but her comment was completely politically tone deaf. If she really is the experienced tried and true candidate, then this comment wouldn't have happened. She needs to drop immediately and do damage control just to try and hold on to the threads of her tattered reputation.

[Dangerman]

116. I can't trust Hillary...

Ever since the day she voted for the Iraq War, promised to put W's dad as a so-called "ambassador of peace" if she's elected president, threaten Iran, and treated Obama like crap.

Other than the fact the she is a sore loser and does not know when to admit it.

Shame on her for bringing this "assassination" thing up. :(

[Douglas Carpenter]

120. wow

[scarface2004]

121. it would be a shame if anything happened to obama....

hillary sneered!

[ogsball]

122. What KO was saying, trying to keep the crazies down

and what HRC was doing was coding to her hard working-white supporters get your rally around because she's waiting. What HRC and most of the MSM know, is that the crazies have been threatening Obama since he started and it won't take much for one of these nuts to "understand" what he or she perceives as a message to take matters into hand. Keith was correct to call her out. Much like GWB the Clinton's don't say anything without understanding what the code might mean.

[Az_lefty]

124. KO is a real journalist, the rest are just pretenders...just like the Clinton's.

:toast:

[Vattel]

125. Olberman reminds me of Lou Dobbs,

a self-righteous, pompous ass with shit for brains. He complains she doesn't say "a word about the inappropriateness of implying, whether it was intended or not, that she was hanging around waiting for somebody to try something terrible." Obviously what she said didn't imply that at all. Dumb-fuck Olberman reads that into what she said. What a pathetic fool.

[scotto2008]

127. eggshells, anyone?

Seems like you've got to walk on them all the time.

[Buck Power]

128. kick!

She needs to be shoved out the door over this shit!
Last straw, witch!