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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 09:19 PM
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Just saw "Flags of our Fathers" WOW MUST SEE
Incredible movie. You could tell that Clint clearly tried to contrast what happened to those soldiers back then to what is happening to them now.

In short it shows how they are used as tools for the government. "Hey there hero, yea yea sorry about your dead friends but you see we need you to raise more money that's why you're here okay? no time for your pain just get out there and help us collect"


And how it portrayed today's Republicans with their fake patriotism and how they truly "support the troops"

"Hey there boy you're that hero, well golly lemme shake your hand son you are a fine American, say boy here's my card I have a real estate business my profits would skyrocket if you could be my spokesperson...think it over and make sure you call me alright goodbye now"

That to me right there is Micheal Savage, Bill O Really and the rest of those phony ass pieces of shit punks who claim that nobody supports the troops more than they do.


And Ira Hayes, the saddest story of them all :(


Anyways Clint Eastwood love him or hate him if you ever thought he was a neo-con (I always considered him to be more of a Libertarian who shunned by the radical left and right) he just blacklisted along with Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon as far as I am concerned.

Can't wait to see "Letters" !!
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 09:21 PM
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1. I saw a documentry on Ira Hayes...it was very sad....
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 09:24 PM
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2. I was just looking at the cover at the video store
we were there to exchange a game for my son .

I have to rent it ...
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 09:28 PM
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4. It's by no means a pro-war movie
You can totally appreciate the effects and its authenticity as a war movie but the opening line in the film says it all as far as what kind of stance on war is being portrayed.

It's something to the effect of "THere's always some jackass who talks a big game about how he knows all about war- and it always turns out he's never fought in one"

That's far off the actual quote but that's essentially it in a nutshell.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 10:00 PM
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5. Is this it....
War is delightful to those who have had no experience of it.

Desiderius Erasmus http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/d/desiderius_erasmus.html

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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 09:27 PM
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3. "Letters" is a good film too
It's hard to say which is best because "Letters" is a real war movie, whereas "Flags" is more of a social commentary. Both of them were great.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 10:08 PM
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6. Yes, Hubby & I Saw It Opening Weekend In Antigo, Wisconsin, Home Of John Bradley
Afterward, we went to his grave, and there was a fresh U.S. flag there.
Excellent movie. Didn't see "Letterrs" yet, but I will.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 08:07 AM
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7. Thanks for the heads up. I'll have to rent it.
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 08:59 AM
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8. I'm sorry, but I have no desire to see it.
And I'm a WWII buff. Here's why:

When I was growing up, one of my good friends was a kid named Frank. He was a "junior", and his father was a great guy. Now this was when I was 13-14 and at that age I was into making models (planes, ships, tanks, etc). Those suckers cost a bunch of coin, not to mention all the paint, brushes, glue, and the like you needed to make a really cool looking Sherman for your bedroom bookcase.

Big Frank ran a landscaping company that he had build from the ground up and for a number of summers would take Little Frank and me on as workers on some of the projects. In the course of our work, Big Frank taught me (and Little Frank) about how to make a piece of property look nice by using what Mother Nature has available and how to plant, threat, and care for the different flora.

He was a great guy to work for. Rather than yell, he'd just say "Ya screwed up and here's how ya fix it". He did have one quirk though. When you worked next to him, he always wanted you on his left side on account of his bad arm; there wasn't much too it, it was withered and scared. He could move it, but couldn't lift more than a couple of pounds with it.

I asked him one time how he got it and all he would say was; "During the War". He would not talk about his time fighting in WWII. All he would say was he had been a Marine and he had fought in the Pacific.

That was during the early Sixties.

Little Frank and I went through High School together, joined the Drama Club to meet chicks, and hung out with the same crowd. We graduated together, suffering through the shortened ceremony together, and wanting to get back to the tube to watch RFK's funeral. We split at that point, I went to college and he, to avoid being drafted, followed in his father's footsteps and enlisted in the Marines.

About two years later, while home during a break, I ran into one of the old gay who told me Little Frank was back from Vietnam recovering from a wound. I immediately called Little Frank and told him I'd be over.

To make a long story short, Little Frank had been hit in the elbow of his left arm while on point during a patrol. While walking down a jungle trail, he had raised his arm to signal the rest of the patrol forward when a VC bullet struck him. He had been flown back state side and was in the process of undergoing further treatment in the hopes that they could restore the use of the arm.
He and his father both seemed to be in good spirits, and were joking about "Like father, like Son" wounds, etc. Little Frank was upbeat about his chances.

About two years later, while home for Christmas, my father told me that both Big Frank and Little Frank had committed suicide. Not together, but separately. You see Little Frank never recovered from his wound. The art of medicine at the time couldn't help him in the end. He was pensioned off and drifted into a world of drugs, dirty lofts, and a life of petty crime. He ended up swallowing his .45 late one night.

My father and Big Frank were good friends. They were both Deacons in our church, were on the same bowling team, and would get together for an occasional poker night. He told me a lot about Big Frank that I never knew. Big Frank had been a Marines in the Pacific, true, but what he had seen and done was almost unbelievable. He had fought at Bloody Ridge in Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Peleliu, and finally, at Iwo. He had been on Suribachi. He received his wound when he raised his arm to motion his platoon forward, up into that hell.
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 11:54 PM
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10. No disrespect meant but this movie pays respect to men like Big and Little Frank
it doesn't in any way glorify the tragedies and horror men like those guys endured.

If anything the movie centers on the fact that just this event alone led to the creation of thousands of Big and Little Franks.


If that's why you won't sit through it I can understand that, but otherwise I would say that every American owes it to themselves to get a glimpse of a side of war that far too often we forget about or are never exposed to.
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 10:03 AM
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9. I just saw Letters, but haven't seen this one yet.
Letters is one of the best war movies I've ever seen, and is also a great anti-war statement, about the sheer stupidity of war, and has a nice little examination of the concept of honor - what counts as honor, and what is a true honorable action?

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