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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 09:51 AM Original message |
"Unions priced themselves out of the market". |
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pberq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
1. Great post! - a tast of his own medicine |
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BobRossi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
2. Funny thing about union labor.. |
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MyNameGoesHere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 10:02 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Aliens? I guess they spend their money on Pluto. n/t |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 10:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Basic help with grammar |
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MyNameGoesHere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. PC bullshit? |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 10:48 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. You married a violent person? |
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MyNameGoesHere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. I suppose |
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Felinity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. It is just a word. It is not a pejorative. |
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MyNameGoesHere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. yeah to me and maybe you it's just a word |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. In his book, "Take This Job & Ship It" Byron Dorgan |
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lectrobyte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. The corporations are convinced that |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. I think that is their thinking too. With a populations of over a billion each, |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
43. "the corporations drive wages down around the planet" |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
45. You're right, the reason that there is outsourcing is that there is credit... |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-11-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #10 |
60. An excellent read...Byron Dorgan ( to whom I'd never really paid much attention previously) |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
41. It goes back to mexico mostly. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
46. Remittances from the U.S. are the second highest source of foreign income |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-11-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
59. Well, job security usually helps one feel better about spending. |
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dogman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
3. Most non-union contractors have used union wages as a benchmark. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
47. Not anymore. |
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oldtimecanuk (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
4. Is'nt that Ironic.. lol... As a Union worker most all of my life... |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Management was so jealous where I used to work. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
6. I'm in construction |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
8. Unions Are Like Trial Lawyers |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
9. Economic Royalists threw the market open to the third world |
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davsand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Isn't it odd that the expectation of a living wage is a problem? |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Yeah I don't hear them proposing to roll executive pay back to 1950s levels either |
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oldtimecanuk (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. You hit the nail on the head..... Unfortunately...... |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
29. Exactly the point that needs to be made to everyone against unions. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
44. Spot on |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #9 |
28. I don't know if you meant that as a shot at the Third World, |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Not a shot at the third world and its population problems and poverty |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. I was with you on the first paragraph, then you lost me on the |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. we really have nothing to talk about |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. BRAVO!! |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-11-07 08:39 AM Response to Reply #42 |
54. Guess you are right about the wisdom of continuing this |
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Snotcicles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
11. These anti-union people can't see long term. They just don't get |
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oldtimecanuk (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. And that also goes hand in hand with social assistance to ... |
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Snotcicles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. me too |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
15. Labor "priced out of the market" by Reaganites, Corporate Democrats, and |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #15 |
34. "But I thought we had built a civilization." --exactly! |
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Snotcicles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
22. What cracks me up is how many worker bees are anti-union |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Proof that brain washing isn't just a myth from the McCarthy era |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-11-07 08:31 AM Response to Reply #22 |
52. Yeah, I don't get that either. |
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In Truth We Trust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
23. It is not coincidence that the highest standard of living in the U.S. happened to also be when there |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. my Grampa owned plumbing comapny and he ran a union shop for 43 years |
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Lusted4 (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. And I'll bet his employees stayed with him through thick and thin for life. nt |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. when he died the head of the plumbers union read a eulogy, it was really nice |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
27. Why would union members and their leadership be privy to what mgmnt |
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Vox_Reason (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
31. We need a new "Look for the Union Label" campaign. |
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hamerfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-11-07 09:31 AM Response to Reply #31 |
57. Excellent post! |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
36. Yep--undocumented labor is just "insourcing" by a different name. |
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kikiek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
38. Amazing to me that they will justify a CEO's pay, and knock a union for |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
48. We're all worm dirt |
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HardRocker05 (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
50. There is some truth to that, but unions and their clueless supporters absolutely refuse |
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kikiek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Yes I have had plenty of experience with unions. Close to 25 years. Also experience without |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-11-07 09:13 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Great points.. Especially the last sentence! |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-11-07 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
53. Simple answer: International Fair Wage Laws! |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-11-07 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
55. Whenever I hear that the high cost of automobiles is because of union |
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populistdriven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-11-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. same thing is happening in the lumber mills - they went from 300 to 30 staff |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-11-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Another bad rap unions get is that they support Mexican workers. When |
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