OFFICIAL Senate debate to debate Thread #3 (cspan 2)

[Chichiri]

OFFICIAL Senate debate to debate Thread # 3 (cspan 2)

First two threads

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x234578

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x235042

Sat Feb-17-07 11:04 AM
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[LSK]

Mr Rockefeller Aye

[Chichiri]

1. Not sure I was allowed to actually do this, but

It's getting crowded in 2!

[Chichiri]

4. So with Rockerfeller, I believe it's 56-33 at the moment?

Is my count right?

[LSK]

6. anyone can do this, and thank you

I have done these threads before and its all voluntary.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

2. Rockefeller Aye

[Coexist]

3. 56-35 - i think?! (through rockefeller)

please correct me

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

5. Still can't get over Coleman voting aye...go Franken! n/t K & R

MKJ

[Coexist]

7. I believe I also heard Nelson of Nebraska as an Aye.

[napi21]

15. Yes you DID! Both Nelson votes were read back to back. n/t

[Coexist]

20. will wonders never cease!

I wonder what we had to promise him?

[LSK]

36. Nelson of Florida had decided he was lied to during the Biden hearings

[kansasblue]

46. gang of 12 member

[flyarm]

18. i believe colman has been a pretty steady yes..all along..but Franken helps!! eom

[suffragette]

21. Franken's just getting started and already he's having a great influence

by making Coleman have to think more about the voters before he votes.
Go Al!

edited: 'cuz "amking" isn't a word. Silly, silly fingers.

[mb7588a]

8. 56-33 (through shelby)

coleman, smith, specter, snowe, collins, warner - aye

nelson FL - aye

Lieberman - no

[Coexist]

13. yeah! glad you're here - 4 MORE!!

[Chichiri]

9. By the way, thanks to whoever gave me the heart!

Feels good. :) :hi:

[POAS]

10. I have 56-33

[Alamom]

17. me, too.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

11. Reid Hasn't Voted Yet I Believe

He will have to vote No unless they get to 59 votes before him.

[LSK]

14. right, he needs the use the option to recommit

[Chichiri]

16. Option to recommit?

Educate me, please?

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

22. He Can Bring Up Again

Only someone who voted Against Cloture, can bring it up again.

[rodeodance]

49. yes, AGAIN ( Mrs Dole NO NO NO NO NO NO).

[LSK]

23. Procedural stuff

So he can call for another cloture vote in the future. I know Frist used to vote a lot with the Dems on Cloture votes and thats how I learned about it.

[VADem11]

27. In case it fails

The majority leader can call another vote by voting against it. That's why Reid voted against Cloture last time.

[Kagemusha]

30. If Reid's final vote was for a measure that failed..

he wouldn't be able to ask the Senate to reconsider for an um, long time. Either next year or next election, that detail I don't recall, but it's a procedural quirk.

[EST]

78. If the motion or bill does not pass and the leader thinks that

it is more likely to pass in the near future, instead of having to go through the whole procedure all over again, the recommit allows it to be brought up again with a minimum of crap.
However, only someone who has voted against the measure can impel the recommit process and only the most powerful. So the leader waits until the last vote and if the measure is going to fail, by a small margin, he votes against it, even if he's for it.

[POAS]

26. He'll vote no if

the vote goes that way. It is a parliamentary move so he can open the vote again later.

[dogday]

12. K&R

On to the greatest with you!!!!

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

19. If It's 56, They Need 3 More Plus Reid

[flyarm]

25. comeon 3 more..i am about to wet myself!! lmao!!!!! fly

[POAS]

Republics need 5 more to block

or is it 6

[rodeodance]

28. "oh come all ey faithful"---(to the troops).

[welshTerrier2]

24. DU poll (by candidate) on cutting off funding

please stop by and vote: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3118219

[LSK]

29. theres no funding to cut off right now

It would have to be to cut of future funding requests.

Thats why this is no binding.

[flyarm]

34. read Murtha's plan on greatest!!..fly

[welshTerrier2]

84. that's correct.

the poll was not about the non-binding resolution but was inspired by some of the republican comments during the discussion prior to today's vote.

[democrank]

31. Just curious....

Has Senator Clinton voted yet?

[Coexist]

35. yes - aye early on during call

[POAS]

37. aye

[flyarm]

40. yes..aye! for Clinton

[Ellipsis]

41. aye.n/t

[LSK]

44. Yes and Aye

[Olney Blue]

32. Any Dems who haven't voted?

[mb7588a]

33. All Dems (minus Tim Johnson and i believe one other) have voted

Plus 6 republicans: coleman, smith, specter, snowe, collins, warner - aye

Lieberman - no


All Dems have voted aye (minus Tim Johnson and one other)
nelson FL - aye


Current unofficial tally 56-33


Entirely possible i missed a Dem in my tally.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

42. Has Reid voted yet? eom

[rodeodance]

38. well, we know McCain will not be voting (refuses to come off campaign

trail).


And he missed the first vote. Wonder if he thinks this will work for him??

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

39. We Could Use Johnson Right Now

He would get us to 58 with Reid.

[Nictuku]

43. This vote is still about whether or not to Debate, right?

If so, all them ore shame for Lieberman to have voted against having a freaking debate about it. He is a traitor of the worst kind.

And poor Tim Johnson, not his fault, but not for the 2 of these, it would be only 1 vote we would be holding our breath on right now.

[Coexist]

48. no - its a vote to end the debate and vote on the resolution

called cloture vote

[LSK]

52. yes and no, its to go to FINAL debate and go to final vote

The media confuses this.

[Coexist]

45. dole - no

[Chichiri]

47. Dole no. 56-34. Phooey.

[napi21]

56. That's only 90 votes! Must be more than McCainnot there!

[Monkeyman]

50. God help our Country and Troops

Replugs still rule the day with one ugly Joe

[Chichiri]

51. What? Closing the vote all ready?

[LSK]

59. yes, the days of Delay and 5 hours votes are over

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

53. Vote's Over - Didn't Make It

[Coexist]

54. Reid withdraws motion

[Clarkie1]

60. So that he can bring it up again soon? nt

[rodeodance]

71. He sounded just plain tired.

[rodeodance]

55. 3/5s not voting in the Affirmative DAMM

[robinlynne]

68. No that is not true.

[rodeodance]

81. having not voting in the affirmative ----so resolution fails.

[robinlynne]

79. we need 3/5 to vote in the affiirmative, i.e. 60 votes. right now we have 56.

[flyarm]

57. ok now i am confused...what are they doing now in english???????

[mb7588a]

74. This next vote is a motion to adjourn (resolution below)

HJ Res 67 -


110th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. CON. RES. 67

CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That when the House adjourns on the legislative day of Friday, February 16, 2007, or Saturday, February 17, 2007, on a motion offered pursuant to this concurrent resolution by its Majority Leader or his designee, it stand adjourned until 2 p.m. on Tuesday, February 27,
2007, or until the time of any reassembly pursuant to section 2 of this concurrent resolution, whichever occurs first; and that when the Senate recesses or adjourns on any day from Saturday, February 17, 2007, through Saturday, February 24, 2007, on a motion offered pursuant to this concurrent resolution by its Majority Leader or his designee, it stand recessed or adjourned until noon on Monday, February 26, 2007, or such other time on that day as may be specified by its Majority Leader or his designee in the motion to recess or adjourn, or until the time of any reassembly pursuant to section 2 of this concurrent resolution, whichever occurs first.
Sec. 2. The Speaker of the House and the Majority Leader of the Senate, or their respective designees, acting jointly after consultation with the Minority Leader of the House and the Minority Leader of the Senate, shall notify the Members of the House and the Senate, respectively, to reassemble at such place and time as they may designate if, in their opinion, the public interest shall warrant it.
Passed the House of Representatives February 16, 2007.

Attest:

Clerk.

110th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. CON. RES. 67

CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

Providing for a conditional adjournment of the House of Representatives and a conditional recess or adjournment of the Senate.

[suffragette]

76. I'm confused, too.

Can anyone clarify what they're doing now?

[POAS]

83. They are voting to adjourn

[SCDem]

58. So who wasn't there to vote?

[Nictuku]

62. Chickenshits?

[SCDem]

64. Yes - just wanted to know their names!

[mb7588a]

61. 56-34 FINAL

56-34

Plus 6 republicans: coleman, smith, specter, snowe, collins, warner - aye

Lieberman - no

All Dems have voted aye (minus Tim Johnson and one other, possibly Reid for procedural reason)

[Vadem]

Hagel vote aye, also.....n/t

[fooj]

65. Lieberman was there?

[Coexist]

82. yes, asswipe was there and voted no.

[fooj]

92. He went to work on the Sabbath?

I can't f*cking believe it. Isn't this the first time he has done anything like this? I was always under the impression that he REFUSED to work on Saturdays.

[Coexist]

95. well, licking Bush's ass is more important to him than his religious convictions

apparently.

[fooj]

101. What a beautiful headline...

LIEberman licks ass on the Sabbath. LOL. :rofl:

[Coexist]

103. i like it!!

[mvd]

122. Did he ever show up on the Sabbath on other things?

If not, it shows that continuing this war brings him a lot more passion than anything else.

[Chichiri]

63. Harry asked for an immediate vote on something else, something related

Is this another vote now, or a quorum call?

[LSK]

67. HR 67 - looking it up

[NYC Liberal]

69. It's a resolution concerning the adjournment of the House.

[Nictuku]

70. It sounded to me like a vote to adjourn for recess

[Vadem]

73. I think I heard it is a vote on adjournment of the Senate...not sure.

though.

[POAS]

86. Adjourning till Feb 26

[fooj]

98. What the hell for?

These assholes have a job to do...

[in_cog_ni_to]

106. NO SHIT! They were off for a freakin' month for the holidays. They just came back to work

last month! WTF? Now they get another freakin' WEEK off? This is fucking RIDICULOUS!

[fooj]

108. It's not like we are dealing with a Constitutional crisis...

:sarcasm: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[in_cog_ni_to]

110. I hear ya, fooj!

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

[flyarm]

118. how about all the hearings?????????? we were promised right??

this is total bullshit and we need to let the dems know it is total bullshit!!

and here the rethugs were bitching about a 5 day work week...what a crock of dog doo!!

fly

editing: boitching to bitching......lol.........opps typo!!

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

66. Never mind, resourceful DU'ers always come through. THanks for the info!

MKJ

[rodeodance]

75. I think this is another roll call??? but i am confused.

[Coexist]

80. the "ayes" had it but minority leader wanted recorded vote

therefore the vote

[Chichiri]

72. Was that Kerry in the background just now,

saying "as long as it takes?"

[LSK]

77. 7 Republicans voted Yes

Hagel
Coleman
Smith
Snowe
Specter
Warner
Collins

[rodeodance]

85. ah yes. they are 7 who write the letter immediately after the failed vote last

time----when they realized their FOLLY!

[flyarm]

87. dems have got to punish LIE berman!!..they have got to remove him

from any chairmanships in all committees!!

they need to put him in charge of ordering toilet paper for the senate ..and that is all!!

i hate that prick..have i told you that lately????????

lol...fly

[SCDem]

90. Well they wouldn't have had the vote with him either

THough I do agree he is horrible

[flyarm]

94. who cares..he is a no good sob!!..period the ..end!! n/t

[fooj]

96. What you said.

:toast:

I see that Landrieu is still sucking wangers... will that woman EVER learn?

[Graybeard]

99. They really should at least give him the silent treatment...

...of course he can flip to the Repuke side at any time. Touchy situation.

[SCDem]

88. Senators Not Voting

Bennett UT
Cochran MS
Ensign NV
Johnson SD
Hatch UT
McCain AZ
Murkowski AK
Bond MO
Corker TN
Kyl AZ

[John Q. Citizen]

91. Thanks!

[rodeodance]

89. well, Lieberman just voted with the Dems (but I have no idea what the

vote if FOR)

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

102. Me too. First I thought it was to vote without debate on the resolution, since there had been a

majority vote for the measure. However, others were positing that it's regarding adjournment or recess. MKJ

[SoCalDem]

93. Reid just needs to make a public statement and stop the games.

Republicans "feed" off this stuff. They are asserting their "importance" by being the contrarians. I say , let them wallow in their poor judgement..and may it bite them on the ass in '08.

All Reid has to tsay is that due to the senate rules, there are enough contrarian-Bush toadies in the senate to block the non-binding vote, so here's a list of the senators who OPPOSE the war (and its "surges")..put it in the record, and then move on to legislation that's being shoved aside.....Republicans are loving their moment in the sunshine..

they are "proving" that even when they are the minority, they can still "control" the agenda..

This is not a good thing..

end it Harry

[in_cog_ni_to]

100. How is it the repukes can control the agenda whether they are the MINORITY or the MAJORITY and the

Dems couldn't do DIDDLEY SQUAT as a Minority?

[fooj]

105. Excellent question.

[SoCalDem]

113. republicans are bold, and never quit pushing back

republican- rabid pitbulls
democrats- congenial labradors

[capi888]

115. 49 GOP + JOE L>

That is because the discrepancy, as we only picked up 6 Sen. Seats!! we control by only 2 seats..and Tim Johnson is recuperating. The REAL problems is the GOP passing the 60 votes needed to pass any bills..PLUS, JOE L. being bought out by the R's..so its basicly a 50-50, with 60 votes needed for passage...
2008 will be very interesting...and we need to knock these RW hackers off the podium...!!! They don't even make sence...like their CIC...and all they do is support his cockeyed governing.

[LSK]

117. because that is how the Senate is designed

To give a voice to the Minority.

We used this last term on stuff like ANWR.

[Peace Patriot]

97. Only 1/3 of the Senate was up for reelection in 2006. Keep that in mind.

Lots of Bush "pod people" and other warmongers still in office. The people never had a chance to outvote the machines on those Senators.

74% of the American people oppose this war and wanted it ended. Yet the Senate is 50/50. Not even close to being representative.

The House is better--but still only 57% voted for a NON-BINDING resolution on the issue of ESCALATION of the war that 74% of the American people want ENDED. What's the problem there? Why is even the House not all that representative? Diebold/ES&S still putting their "thumb on the scales" for Bushites, warmongers and corporatists.

And what are the Democrats going to do about THAT? Giving Diebold and ES&S more billions of taxpayer dollars to "fix" the problem!

As with New Mexico today--impeachment resolution voted out of committee to the floor--state/local grass roots activism, on impeachment, on the war, and on "trade secret," proprietary vote counting by rightwing Bushite corporations, is where it's at, as to changing this country. And it's a long term project. Patience, friends.

The lessons of the awesome democracy movement that sweeping South America:

1. TRANSPARENT elections.
2. Grass roots organization.
3. Think big.

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P.R. note: The warmongers in the Senate will use this to try to take the sting out of the House vote yesterday. That was probably the plan. Dirtbags. And I don't excuse Harry Reid. I'm not at all sure this vote should have been taken. Why do this if you don't have the votes?

[rodeodance]

104. MSN: Senate gridlocks on Iraq war resolution (posted in LBN)

Sat Feb-17-07 01:28 PM
Original message
Senate gridlocks on Iraq war resolution

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17200182 /

WASHINGTON - The Senate gridlocked on the Iraq war in a sharply worded showdown on Saturday as Republicans foiled a Democratic attempt to rebuke President Bush over his deployment of 21,500 additional combat troops.

The vote was 56-34. That was six short of the 60 needed to advance the measure, which is identical to a nonbinding resolution that Democrats pushed through the House on Friday.

[Coexist]

107. "That was six short of the 60" Ummm, math anyone??!

60-56=4.

[flyarm]

109. i honestly think this will hurt the rethugs in the 2008 election..people understand

a majority..they understand that..it is up to all of us to show the rest of the nation that does not watch this stuff ..how much of a majority this vote was..and yet the rethugs thwarted it by the majority lacking 4 votes...

i would bet the farm those 4 votes will kill the rethug party in election 2008..if the machines don't steal it all!!

fly

[Nictuku]

111. MSNBC can't do math?

six short? Looks like 4 short (in reality 3 short because Reed had to vote against it to recommit)

[flyarm]

112. why would they start telling the truth now??..i mean...??..

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: i mean wtf?? they haven't told the truth yet..why start now?????????

ahhhhhhhhhhh

fly

[flyarm]

116. remember when Kerry was campaigning and he missed a vote ( not many)

and the rethugs ripped him a new asshole....so will the same standards be held for McCain??

just wondering.........:sarcasm: :spray: :shrug:

fly

[LSK]

114. no classical music?? Cspan is ripping me off

:D

[Nictuku]

119. Maybe the Orchestra has weekends off?

j/k

[Peace Patriot]

120. An encouraging word:

In 1964, 4% of Congress (two members) voted against the "Gulf of Tonkin" resolution (big escalation of the Vietnam War).

In 2002, 25% of Congress (156 members) voted against the Iraq War Resolution (another unjust war based on lies).

In 2007, yesterday, 57% of the House took the first step toward ending the unjust and heinous Iraq War, and today about 50% of the Senate wanted to at least talk about it.

Big jumps in the percentages of our representatives who question unjust war and take courageous stands against it.

We're dealing with a huge and lethal war machine, with many corporate war profiteers, that was never demobilized after WW II, and which has grown into an enormous cancer on American democracy. It is not easy to oppose it, let alone to dismantle it. It is a standing invitation to fascists to conduct wars of choice. But because of past struggles against this war machine, 56% of the American people opposed Bush's war on Iraq from the beginning (Feb. '03)--already a majority, even then*--and 74% oppose it today. And more than 50% of Congress (all told) oppose it--compared to a completely asleep public in 1964, and a nearly entirely pro-war Congress.

The evil has escalated, but so has the resistance to it. And if these stats are any guide, consciousness about unjust war, and what its causes are, is reaching critical mass levels.

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*(This early majority opposition to the war was anticipated by the Bushites, who knew that they would have to 'disappear' some of those votes in 2004, and manufacture an endorsement for the war--and they acted to do so, with the "Help America Vote for Bush Act" of 2002--fast-tracking the conversion of our election system to extremely insecure and insider hackable electronic voting machines, run on TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations--with virtually no audit/recount controls.)

[SalviaBlue]

121. This is encouraging!!

Thanks for laying it out.

[mvd]

124. The tone has changed from one of passing a resolution to

"support the mission" to talking about a resolution to condemn the surge. We're making progress. Congress is a bit slow, but there is reason to be encouraged.

[mvd]

123. He he - McCain not voting??

Mr. Warmonger not there? Score one for us to use if he's the Repuke nominee and runs on a super pro-war stance.

[DesertRat]

125. He's chicken hawk and chicken sh*t