Don't bitch, we won. Two wins actually

[RB TexLa]

As Harry Reid said right after the vote, the majority of both houses voted in favor of the non-binding resolution. Remember it's non binding, it's as non binding now as it would have been if there had been the votes to allow the vote on it. Not only do we get the house and senate on record as having a majority in both chambers voting for it. We get to also show that the Republicans are so afraid of the will of the American people that they do not want and will block votes that allow our will to simply be expressed.

[madame defarge]

1. Time to cut the funding.

Hope the resolution Murtha puts forth in mid-March is successful. We have to make sure Congress does not give up.

[LSK]

2. Congress has only just begun

We are going to need a lot of popcorn.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[eleny]

4. Yes, lots and lots of popcorn...

[NI4NI]

5. The Senate Minority Party will block that also

after it passes the House, I'm angered to say.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

8. If there is no approval by the House of the monies asked for by

Shrub, he can't get the money. They hold the purse strings. The Senate won't matter.

[NI4NI]

13. That's good to hear, I feel a bit better.

I'm wondering if Murtha can put conditions into a budget bill? I heard he wants to give troops adequate leave time in between deployments.
I hope he forces Chuckle Nutz to fund more military health and social benefits, and less funding for mercenaries.

[LSK]

9. they cant, Bush needs money and that means bills have to pass

If they block, no more money for the war.

[madame defarge]

15. Good diary about Murtha's resolution

John Murtha shows us what a Congressional spine looks like
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/17/73819/7754

[Indigent A-hole]

3. And a lot of emails, letters, calls to congresspeople

Although McConnell has us bottlenecked until 08 (thanks to Lieberman) we may yet be able to get some things done.

Using this vote as a cudgel will help in 08, but I still worry about our troops getting their asses shot off for two more years...

[Bitwit1234]

6. Remember the song "If I only had a brain"

seems like it applies to most of the republics right now doesn't it. The thing is tho the states and areas most of these braindead butts represent are the part of America that still supports bush.

If - we had a media - we could get the message out tho that the republics as per usual do not support the troops in any way.

And while talking about the media...did anybody hear about Scalia's daughter and the DUI. Only a small clip and that was it. BUT for weeks the shouted about Gore's son and Patrick Kennedy. The right wing blow hards screamed about it and the comics made jokes...nothing about Scalia's daughter.

[Metta]

7. Good point. Thanks for reframing the results.

:thumbsup: :)

[proud patriot]

10. Exactly

:hi:

[RiverStone]

11. Well, that's the bright side...

And I do appreciate -on record- we have a majority in both houses opposed to Shrub's escalation.

Yet on balance, I remain rather frustrated at the wimpy approach that I have seen from DEM leaders. BushCo has clearly made it known that nonbinding or symbolic resolutions mean absolutely nothing to him. It seems after almost 4 years of this of insanity in Iraq - we would be past symbolism.

If this vote was a dressed rehearsal - then I expect REAL and BINDING votes in short order. I've seen teeth from Feingold, Murtha, Kennedy, Boxer, Kucunich, and to a lessor degree - Obama. All with proposals to end this damn war.

I just hope the next step by DEMS will be binding and reflect the majority view of the people that elected them into power last November. What do you see as the next step RGBolen?


peace~

[TahitiNut]

12. How many DUers would accept a "win" of a majority (instead of 2/3rds) vote for Removal ...

... in the Senate on a Bill of Impeachment from the House?

While I personally do not believe that one can shirk the moral and ethical duty to impeach for obvious high crimes and misdemeanors based on some cowardly fear that the Senate would fail to tally the 2/3rds vote needed to convict and remove Cheney and/or Bush from office, I see far to many who engage in apologetics based on some such crystal ball gazing.

For me, it would be at least ONE STEP (instead of ZERO) toward reclaiming our honor and integrity as a nation to intiate impeachment proceedings in the House, and TWO STEPS (instead of ZERO) to pass a Bill of Impeachment and send it to the Senate. I would regard a MAJORITY vote in favor of conviction as a further affirmation. Regardless, I believe it is ESSENTIAL to obtain the votes of every Senator on the record for history to judge the depth and breadth of corruption in our federal government. Lacking any of these steps, we've abaondoned our own honor and we've assured even more monstrous abuses in the (near?) future.

That said, would the enablers of such poltical cowardice who rationalize such timidity by the forecast of less than 2/3rds of the Senate voting to convict regard a majority vote as sufficient to nullify such timidity?

[RB TexLa]

14. So you think the resolution would be what "more non binding" with 2/3s?

You are talking about one thing that has no more power with passage than is does without and something that requires passage to do something.

An impeachment trail and a non binding resolution are two totally different things.

[TahitiNut]

16. Just what does Congress pass that Cheney/Bush DON'T regard as "non-binding"?

:shrug: